Povetkin tests positive for PEDs. Fight is off.

[IlyichSPB]

PEDs come out of your system much quicker than people think.

Much quicker? I've heard that marijuana for example can be detected in blood for 4 months.
There was no clinical research on how quick particularly meldonium is filtered out from the body and WADA just invented some figure that would be considered "legal" to be in blood but only before 31 Mar with no research background...

 

[Sunfish]

Much quicker? I've heard that marijuana for example can be detected in blood for 4 months.
There was no clinical research on how quick particularly meldonium is filtered out from the body and WADA just invented some figure that would be considered "legal" to be in blood but only before 31 Mar with no research background...

I asked conte on Twitter ages ago about this. And remember marijuana isn't a PED. The chemicals they are using are designed to dissolve quickly so the bloods don't detect them but you have the benefits. It was more applicable to old style boxing testing but still applicable to VADA and WADA. Think of what would happen to Olympic weightlifting if they weren't.

 

[IlyichSPB]

The chemicals they are using are designed to dissolve quickly so the bloods don't detect them but you have the benefits.

Marijuana is also a banned substance and may be considered a PED (Nick Diaz knows).
Meldonium was created in 70-s for civil users, is cheap and still widely sold in drugstores without prescription (prevent heart muscles from degradation, something like that). So it doesnot look like it was created with purpose of sneaky extraction from the body and avoiding detection...

 

[Sunfish]

Which is why so many tennis players got busted at the start of the year. It's meant to be used short term and sharapova was on prescription. I don't know the specifics of povetkins case and I'm not an expert, but conte is and that was his opinion.

 

[IlyichSPB]

It's recommended to be used for 2-3 weeks to prevent stenocardia and heart attack (costs 3$ in retail)
So, no one knows the specifics of povetkins case, no one knows the specifics of dissolving this substance, no one researched it but the fight is off, povetkin is "dopovetkin".

 

[Canelo]

Of everyone involved in this, there is one guy who is blameless, and that's Wilder. Why he is even involved in the discussion I don't know, Pov getting busted really has nothing to do with him or his desire to fight other heavyweights.

I respect Conte's opinion but it's really no different than a nutritionist disagreeing with another nutritionist on what is good to eat, there's plenty of scientists and experts who disagree with him on this drug and from a scientific stand point I can see their claim, as there hasn't been enough research done.

The way Povtekin's camp delayed the drug testing initially tells me they knew exactly what they were doing, but if WADA's rules are true then there shouldn't be an issue.

 

[IlyichSPB]

The way Povtekin's camp delayed the drug testing initially tells me they knew exactly what they were doing

LOL
The way Haymon and Wilder's camp quickly agreed to travel to Russia initially tells me they knew exactly what they were doing

 

[Canelo]

LOL
The way Haymon and Wilder's camp quickly agreed to travel to Russia initially tells me they knew exactly what they were doing

Well they clearly didn't want to travel to Russia did they? They had no option.

Povetkin's team delayed the testing procedure for three weeks, I wonder why?

 

[PUO3]

LOL
The way Haymon and Wilder's camp quickly agreed to travel to Russia initially tells me they knew exactly what they were doing

They didnt quickly agree. You are talking from your ass.

 

[IlyichSPB]

Thank you guys for clever and logical arguments.
I guess it's pointless to discuss massmedia's indirect facts without any real information.

 

[PUO3]

Thank you guys for clever and logical arguments.
I guess it's pointless to discuss massmedia's indirect facts without any real information.

Wave that white flag.

 

[Canelo]

Thank you guys for clever and logical arguments.
I guess it's pointless to discuss massmedia's indirect facts without any real information.

Well I asked you two questions that would have debunked your argument and you ignored them both.

Thanks for coming.

 

[nac386]

I respect Conte's opinion but it's really no different than a nutritionist disagreeing with another nutritionist on what is good to eat, there's plenty of scientists and experts who disagree with him on this drug and from a scientific stand point I can see their claim, as there hasn't been enough research done.

It doesn't matter if the drug is scientifically proven to be effective. The drug is taken by people who believe that it is effective, and it is banned.

Same thing with the substance that Browne was taking. Some people were claiming it is not even very effective, so he must not have been taking it. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the people who take it are taking it because they believe it is effective, and that it is banned.

 

[The Can Opener]

Alexander Povetkin promoter Andrey Ryabinskiy held a press conference on Monday in Moscow to address the current status of the troubled Wilder-Povetkin fight.

Andrey Ryabinskiy: “If we don’t come to an agreement about the fight with Wilder’s team, we are ready to meet them in court. The fight is not cancelled but postponed, we are discussing a new date. There are no legal barriers for the fight. The official Wilder-Povetkin fight status is “postponed.” Everything else is just thoughts of some persons…All claims against Povetkin are legally unsound. This is just an inflated press story.

“Povetkin didn’t fail a doping test. He has 15 times lower meldonium concentration than the limit established by WADA. Now we need to pass additional tests, then we will set a new date of the fight and do it.”

Alexander Povetkin: “I have nothing to fear, I am a clear fighter and I have not been taking meldonium since it was prohibited. I was perfectly ready for the fight and I am very upset with its postponement. I don’t want to say anything bad about Wilder and his team. Russian people don’t like such things.”

 

[Canelo]

It doesn't matter if the drug is scientifically proven to be effective. The drug is taken by people who believe that it is effective, and it is banned.

Same thing with the substance that Browne was taking. Some people were claiming it is not even very effective, so he must not have been taking it. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the people who take it are taking it because they believe it is effective, and that it is banned.

Not really relevant, I was talking about whether the drug should be banned in the first place, which is what Conte has been talking about. Come on dude, keep up.

As for the Browne situation, you have no idea if he thought it was effective or not, not even the commission believe that Browne took the substance knowingly. I agree that boxers may believe something can be effective, but your stating that like it immediately shuts down any appeal, it doesn't. The fact that the drug would be of no use to Browne 5 days out from the fight does come into the discussion, it doesn't confirm anything, but it certainly adds to the suspicion.

You'd find someone more suspicious if they took a drug that would be hugely advantageous, so the same should apply inversely.

 

[nac386]

Not really relevant, I was talking about whether the drug should be banned in the first place, which is what Conte has been talking about. Come on dude, keep up.

Oh okay, we'll leave it to you to decide what drugs should be banned.

But until you come to your conclusion, let's let them enforce the rules put into place by current authorities on the subject.

As for the Browne situation, you have no idea if he thought it was effective or not, not even the commission believe that Browne took the substance knowingly. I agree that boxers may believe something can be effective, but your stating that like it immediately shuts down any appeal, it doesn't. The fact that the drug would be of no use to Browne 5 days out from the fight does come into the discussion, it doesn't confirm anything, but it certainly adds to the suspicion.

You'd find someone more suspicious if they took a drug that would be hugely advantageous, so the same should apply inversely.

I've seen athletes drink their own piss. I do not discount anything based on how much sense it does or does not make.

Browne can appeal. Good luck to him.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Way to go Povetkin! Nice one.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

Very frustrating.

 

[Canelo]

Oh okay, we'll leave it to you to decide what drugs should be banned.

But until you come to your conclusion, let's let them enforce the rules put into place by current authorities on the subject.



I've seen athletes drink their own piss. I do not discount anything based on how much sense it does or does not make.

Browne can appeal. Good luck to him.

Stop getting pissy because you misinterpreted the conversation.

The discussion over whether the drug should be have been banned is happening all over twitter and being debated by people who know a lot more than me and you. I base my opinion on the evidence presented by the people in the know, which is usually supported by scientific research. I simply stated that there are many people who disagree with Conte and that there isn't much evidence as to why the drug is banned, which is why the issue is now under heavy debate. As this is a boxing forum, we will probably discuss these things.

That's your opinion, you can base your opinion on whatever you want, just don't expect everyone to view it the same way. Browne has made his case and the vast majority of boxing fans are on his side, and rightfully so. That's enough for him.

 

[Seano]

Stop getting pissy because you misinterpreted the conversation.

The discussion over whether the drug should be have been banned is happening all over twitter and being debated by people who know a lot more than me and you. I base my opinion on the evidence presented by the people in the know, which is usually supported by scientific research. I simply stated that there are many people who disagree with Conte and that there isn't much evidence as to why the drug is banned, which is why the issue is now under heavy debate. As this is a boxing forum, we will probably discuss these things.

That's your opinion, you can base your opinion on whatever you want, just don't expect everyone to view it the same way. Browne has made his case and the vast majority of boxing fans are on his side, and rightfully so. That's enough for him.

You honestly believe that just because a fighter says he doesn't know why he tested dirty that there is foul play? No fighter has ever admitted that they took PEDs to cheat.