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Both Bill and Hillary getting impeached would be hilarious.
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If a million Trump supporters actually "stormed" government offices there would be a mobilized national guard crackdown. And I'd agree it would be justified. But you are looking at this from the perspective of a westerner (granted you've had tours there, I know) that gets democracy and the freedom to speak your mind.
It's easy to say (and even accurate--I'm not arguing that you're wrong, Democracy MIGHT NOT work there) "Democracy doesn't work there (the ME), those that want to speak their minds need to STFU and keep their heads down" when you aren't forced to live under that type of regime. I'm not taking issue with Assad using military force to quell violence against innocents carried out by those who oppose him. I'm saying excusing his behavior toward political rivals PRIOR to that as "Well, if you don't want to be tortured, killed, etc. than shut your mouth. It's Syria, not America or France or Germany" is not acceptable governance.
Do we westerners have the "right" to Democracy simply because we are westerners? What if Trump (or Clinton, or whoever) won and declared martial law. Threw out the constitution, got rid of all checks and balances and we all had to STFU or risk being jailed, tortured, whatever. Declared themself able to run unopposed in every election. And they somehow took control of the military to enforce it? The rest of the world should then step back and not get involved because "Well, looks like Democracy may have run its course in America, not our problem".
I think the world might be too small a place for that type of attitude. That does NOT mean (as I said before) we topple every despot unilaterally or involve ourselves in every conflict. I'm in agreement with you on that. With Syria, I don't know. As I said I don't claim to have the right answer. It's a complicated situation.
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Mkess, like I said. I would encourage u to seek out info outside of American news.
The world is a big place. Different strokes for different folks.
U can not have a functioning democracy when a large portion of your population wants to kill another portion. That was my trump supporter argument. If Clinton or Trump had to deal with an violent uprising they would surely become a brutal dictator.
Lincoln is widely considered our greatest president. He essentially did throw out the constitution and was a dictator while in power.
The world is a big place. Different strokes for different folks.
U can not have a functioning democracy when a large portion of your population wants to kill another portion. That was my trump supporter argument. If Clinton or Trump had to deal with an violent uprising they would surely become a brutal dictator.
Lincoln is widely considered our greatest president. He essentially did throw out the constitution and was a dictator while in power.
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Trump down to +330... why did I not bet more?
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I do read info from outside America (granted it's still western info--I will admit I'm not fully in tune with the nuanced world political views of the ruling Iranian mullahs for example LOL). Again, "different strokes for different folks" is terrific...unless you're one of the "folks" that is oppressed right? Lincoln certainly went to serious extremes, no question. He did not however declare that he'd be "dictator for life", throw out term limits, and decide he was running unopposed until he died. Even under Lincoln with a secession being attempted and a full scale civil war taking place we had more checks and balances in place than many of the theocracies in the ME do now. It's impossible to say I suppose, but very hard to imagine any U.S. president attempting to become a lifelong dictator regardless up uprisings.
I'm not sure how you (or anyone) could argue that certain basic human freedoms shouldn't be universal. This isn't an "American" thing, it's a human rights thing.
The argument really shouldn't be whether everyone deserves those rights, but how they come about getting them. Many times those changes need to happen from within and not be influenced by the outside. Maybe that's what you also believe?
I think we have some disagreement here, but probably agree on more than we disagree on.
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craziness trump is down under 3/1 on the exchanges now...
polls definitely tightening, at this point the conclusions the FBI come too are moot, the damage to hillary has already been done in the media and is still ongoing today, there must surely be more responses from her campaign today.
polls definitely tightening, at this point the conclusions the FBI come too are moot, the damage to hillary has already been done in the media and is still ongoing today, there must surely be more responses from her campaign today.
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The mainstream media has already started the spin in Hillary's favor. CNN with no shame is calling for Comey's resignation over this. One guy on there last night suggested Russia could have a hand in this, I shit you not.
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yeah it's not just cnn, I saw this absolute gem in the NYtimes yesterday not long after coney's statement came out
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/mikhail-lesin-washington.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
if they are sticking with the anti russia narrative, it makes me think they are running low on ideas on how to cover all this up, the fact that her and her team is demanding facts about the very thing she wants to avoid publicly speaks volumes imo, hard to tell how this is going to play out in the next few days.
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lol, this is currently on the front page of CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/29/europe/russia-nuclear-drills/index.html
you can't make this shit up
new batch of podesta emails too:
https://www.rt.com/usa/364659-wikileaks-clinton-podesta-emails-22/
"The worst judgement"
In an email to Podesta in February 2015 titled ‘Brock/Bonner,’ Clinton adviser Neera Tanden includes a link to a Washington Post article about donors delaying their pledges to pro-Clinton Super PACs until she announces her White House bid.
Although not mentioned in the article by name, Tanden describes major donors David Brock and Mary Pat Bonner as “a nightmare.”
“I'll be telling mary pat later this week that we aren't renewing her contract - wish me luck,” Tanden adds.
Referencing the article, Tanden also says that sometimes Bill and Hillary Clinton, “have the worst judgement.”
- Latest craze in Moscow is war game in which players race to find nuclear codes
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/29/europe/russia-nuclear-drills/index.html
you can't make this shit up
new batch of podesta emails too:
https://www.rt.com/usa/364659-wikileaks-clinton-podesta-emails-22/
"The worst judgement"
In an email to Podesta in February 2015 titled ‘Brock/Bonner,’ Clinton adviser Neera Tanden includes a link to a Washington Post article about donors delaying their pledges to pro-Clinton Super PACs until she announces her White House bid.
Although not mentioned in the article by name, Tanden describes major donors David Brock and Mary Pat Bonner as “a nightmare.”
“I'll be telling mary pat later this week that we aren't renewing her contract - wish me luck,” Tanden adds.
Referencing the article, Tanden also says that sometimes Bill and Hillary Clinton, “have the worst judgement.”
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Theres a trove coming from Wikileaks Nov 1 which is bound to be heavy as Assange knows how short the average Americans memory is and it's effect on polls one week out from voting
Everytime something bad has happened with Trump he bounces back so Assange is waiting for the temp to drop on #pussygrabgate
Since the FBI reopened the files Trump dropped from 5-1 to 3.5-1 already.
I watched Hillarys face during the 3rd debate when Trump was talking about Bill Clintons rape allegations and she was shitting herself and had a sigh of relief when the 32k emails were brought up.
There are also rapey rumors involving Hillary, lookin forward to seeing whats in store
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Whatever you research, also research its source.
The assumptions underpinning opinion against Assad is a religious sectarian narrative that he oppresses Sunnis because he's an Alawite which is a Shiite offshoot.
Reports conveniently ignore the fact Assads wife is Sunni as is the majority of the Syrian Arab Army.
The army legally protecting his country that us Aussies in conjunction with the US illegally murdered over 60 of with airstrikes ending the ceasefire in September
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yeah, 1 thing we know for sure is that there are going to be a lot of twists and turns to come yet. trump actually dropped to just under 3/1 today before drifting a little. and some info that has yet to come out could be damaging to him also.
Assange is looking to throw as many spanners into the political system's gears as possible and so far it's having an overwhelming affect on opening people's eyes to the reality of how the system works. so it's entirely possible that he still has a lot of info on both candidates. even then he may not release all of it before the election.
gonna be getting my popcorn ready for sure, crazy times are a comming
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We are in agreement 100%
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I'm a bit amazed dems are asking for all emails to be released.
Imagine what is on the wiener families devices. Why would u want that shit in public.
Comey should release all the emails sandwiched in between wieners wiener pics sent to 15 year olds
Imagine what is on the wiener families devices. Why would u want that shit in public.
Comey should release all the emails sandwiched in between wieners wiener pics sent to 15 year olds
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I don't think it's religious sectarian oppression/persecution. I know that narrative exists, I just don't buy it. As SBJJ mentioned Assad isn't super fundamentalist.
What he is (as most despots are) is addicted to power. And he will use any means to squash those who speak against him.
I mean, you guys understand his regime has been documented as horrible on human rights even well before the uprisings right? I think it's a perfectly valid argument to say that doesn't warrant outside involvement in his overthrow (and one I might even agree with) but we don't need to act like he's not a complete thug to hold that opinion (and to SBJJ's credit he acknowledged as much). Saying we should butt out and leave it alone shouldn't have to devolve into defending a guy who's pretty shitty to plenty of his own populace.
