Points given for takedown defence will fix this sport

[Islam Imamate]

I do like the modern damaged focused criteria, there are some judges and fans who don't seem to understand it's already supposed to be about damage (worded as "effective" striking and grappling).

I had Vera up on points over Cruz before the KO, but some on here thought that Dom was winning every round just by being busy even though he got dropped three times.

Yeah the judges have gotten better about it but if a guy can fill up enough of the round with stalling and put on a good poker face he can stall his way to a win even if he did take more damage.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Then instead of Tibau beating Khabib 29-28 and 30-27, he would have beaten him 30-21

 

[Mind Mine]

Hey that’s a great isea. Let’s give points for defending punches to… Did I get that righ? I mean if we are going to talk nonsense let’s get all the way jiggy with the shits

 

[mudrubble]

MMA can either be the most exciting sport, or the most boring sport of all time. There are times where i rather watch baseball. Those moments are wall n stall situations. This is by far the most boring moment in MMA. Its not even close.

How do we fix it? Easy. Successful TDD should count as a point. If you shoot in on my crotch and i stuff your little peahead under my ball sack, you just embarrassed yourself and should lose points. This alone will stop these wrestling vermins from trying that again. Defence should be awarded. I never buy ufc ppv because of how inconsistent this sport is. I much rather watch a 12 round jab fest in boxing than wall n stall. And im a gsp fan. I have no problem with grappling. But wall n stall is the death of this sport. Aldo won that fight.

And when a guy dodges or blocks a punch or kick he should also get points awarded. If you throw your grubby paw at my face and I smoothly sidestep and roll under and take an angle, it doesn't matter if I hit you back ornot. I just scored points for defending against your grubby, dirty paw.

Agreed.

 

[mudrubble]

Hey that’s a great isea. Let’s give points for defending punches to… Did I get that righ? I mean if we are going to talk nonsense let’s get all the way jiggy with the shits

Or when a fighter stares in another fighters face and the other fighter just looks away.... POINT! He won that exchange.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Or judges being willing to give even rounds when all that one guy does is push against the fence and never actually accomplish anything other than "control" and running out the clock.

 

[Mike]

Nah that's stupid

 

[Individualthoughtpatterns]

Yeah wall n stall is boring as hell.
I don't mind clinches. But 3 minutes of clinching with a couple foot stomps is boring as hell. Not really looking to end the fight is it?

 

[welcometohavoc]

That's dumb. Just defending without punishing is at best neutral. Now if the fighter lands elbows while defending, he gets points.

I think it's far too easy for volume grapplers to spam clinch guys and control them and burn down the clock in the current MMA environment.

Besides, the rules already award points for "effective grappling", and defensive grappling should be counted as effective

 

[Human Bass]

I think it's far too easy for volume grapplers to spam clinch guys and control them and burn down the clock in the current MMA environment.

Besides, the rules already award points for "effective grappling", and defensive grappling should be counted as effective

It is effective as not awarding the guy who is spamming takedowns, but he must be punished somehow to earn the defender points.

For example, a hard sprawl where who tried the takedown gets on bottom, that should reward the defender.

 

[Mind Mine]

Or when a fighter stares in another fighters face and the other fighter just looks away.... POINT! He won that exchange.

Aggressive glove touch. Oooohhh Burn. 10-9

 

[DanAndroid]

I don't like the point system at all but what are the other options? Nothing translates directly into a "point", rounds should be scored without points. Getting a 10-8 in the first shouldn't matter if you get beat the next two rounds. Score the fight as a whole

 

[fightfan70]

Nope.

"Takedowns" honestly mean so little.
Some are incredible, some are purely off balance flukes.
BJJ guys are happy to be taken down.

Defending from bottom, hip escapes, reversals, and finish attempts should weigh much more than stalling wrestlers.

absolutely. too much credit given for ride time. not enough for reversals, escapes even sub attempts.

means nothing, guy on bottom loses. wtf is that? it isn't a wrestling match.

like you said many guys are happy to pull guard. i wonder who they score the takedown for on that?

 

[dmwalking]

Give points for blocking and dodging strikes too. LMAO

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

No, defense does not score in MMA, it never has and never should. You only get credit for offense, defense is it's own reward, it reduces how much your opponents offense scores or outright prevents it, it shouldn't also score all by itself too. If you had it your way TS, you could have a fighter do nothing but defend for an entire fight and you would score the fight for the guy that never attempted any offense. That's fucking stupid.

 

[Tukker]

If you let a guy push you up against the fence for 5 minutes without making him pay for it, you deserve to lose the round.

I love the damage > all criteria.

 

[Emjay]

What are these "points" you speak of?

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

They can solve this problem by removing "position control" from the scoring system.

If you mean octagon control I can agree because that term is vague and unnecessary since it's a second tie breaker after aggression, but positional control is a large portion of effective grappling which is a primary scoring criteria.

 

[brownbelt86]

Best thing would be to treat position like grappling where getting into and holding side mount, mount, back control gives you "points" and things like against the wall, guard and half guard are neutral from a positioning stand point. Of course this would require the judges to actually know what they are watching.

That or position means nothing and it's all about damage or sub attempts

 

[Brom Bones]

Did you you even think about this before you pressed "post" brah?