Please don't compare WMMA with WNBA...

[Ashenthorn]

And yes it is as bad as the WNBA or even worse skilled wise. Lets see these girls headline a card without an epic match like Machida vs. Dan. Then watch it bomb.

Hendo and Machida aren't draws, their match was predictably awful (no way Hendo was ever going to touch Machida's chin), and the UFC will never grant your wish that Ronda's ppv main event title defenses get booked with 2 hours of screen snow as the co-main.

 

[ben236]

I like WMMA. Not as much power in their punches so you won't see as many one punch ko's but you will see more brawls and as the sport grows, we'll see more and more prospects with more refined striking enter the game (which HAS been occuring as of late).

The ground game is almost a completely different game to watch because of how much more flexible women are than men. Which is why you usually see more transitions and subs in WMMA than you do with the men.

Seriously... How many male fighters can do this?

 

[JonesBones]

Based on what?

Technic-wise? Because some sports they are on par technically, they just lack athleticism, of course that can't be matched.

What sports are they up to technically? They don't have the skills like hand eye coordination, depth perception/spatial ability or speed that make good technique.

Take a sport like golf for example. You may say that part of the game requires power, and men are more powerful. That's debatable, but let's focus on putting, which men seemingly should have no strength or other physical advantages in.

The best male putters take about half a stroke less per round on the greens than their female counterparts. If that doesn't sound like a major skill difference, consider that the men play on faster surfaces with more contour and tougher hole locations. Go farther down the putts-per-round list and the gap gets wider -- more than a full shot for players ranked 100th, and almost two shots at No. 150. That's a significant gulf, and one that can't easily be explained away by analysis of parallel statistics like greens hit in regulation -- a stat often held up as a reason LPGA players would have worse putting numbers.

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/short-game/putting/2010-10/putting-matthew-rudy

And you can tell just by watching a WNBA game, that the male technique is much better.

 

[SODACKER]

Has anyone that think women's technique is better actually watched a woman shoot a basketball?

 

[Noblet10]

I pretty much think all women's sports look worse, but some translate far better than others. I think women's basketball and soccer are absolutely terrible in comparison. USA WNT is supposed to be one of the best teams in the world, but I cannot stand watching them. They are boring as shit to watch. Yet, I've seen lower division men's club games that are very entertaining. Women's basketball has the most painfully obvious problem with the lack of dunking and other athletic plays. I can sometimes watch it, but obviously, men's basketball is much better.

However, some women's sports compare quite well. I think WMMA and women's tennis are great examples. Both being individual sports make it much better as you cannot see their physical limitations as much since they are competing against each other. I actually can enjoy women's tennis just as much as men's tennis. Women's tennis has longer rallies which I enjoy. One of the few times a physical limitation arguably makes the sport better. WMMA doesn't quite translate that well, because there are certain athletic moves that women cannot do as well as men. I doubt we'll be seeing quite as many techniques like showtime kicks in WMMA, but we can still see plenty of good action. I've actually enjoyed pretty much every WMMA fight I've seen. The one major positive I can see in WMMA so far is I haven't seen pretty much any boring fight where almost nothing happens. We've all seen plenty of fights like that in MMA, but WMMA fights are normally very fast paced. I haven't seen a WMMA fight where it looks like both fighters are just fighting not to lose.

 

[leojr2005]

They are all athletes

 

[thiagoop]

What sports are they up to technically? They don't have the skills like hand eye coordination, depth perception/spatial ability or speed that make good technique.

Take a sport like golf for example. You may say that part of the game requires power, and men are more powerful. That's debatable, but let's focus on putting, which men seemingly should have no strength or other physical advantages in.



http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/short-game/putting/2010-10/putting-matthew-rudy

And you can tell just by watching a WNBA game, that the male technique is much better.

I will take sports that i like Volleyball and Tenis. Girls can have a similar level of ability, you won't notice because they are no close in the athleticism departament, so they are slower and pack less power. That won't mean they don't have some serious technical skills.

 

[effedup]

This is an absolutely contradictory post. First you say that in basketball women are limited compared to what the men can do based on their physical attributes, then say its different in MMA. How is it different at all? The comparison is exactly correct... women can play basketball and attempt all the same moves a man can, they just may not be as smooth doing it. In WMMA, they can attempt all the same moves a man can, they just may not be as smooth doing it.

Its 100% the same. You're contradicting yourself. Men can do cool basketball moves. Women can do cool basketball moves. Men can do cool MMA moves. Women can do cool MMA moves. But the level they do it at is different in both sports.

I honestly don't know why I'm responding to this post but oh well here it goes.

My first post isn't a contradiction at all, seriously I don't think you know what the word means.

In WNBA women are limited to what they can do. Need an example? Show me a gif of a half court alley-oop. Show me a gif of a woman jumping over a woman that's taller than them and dunking it home. Hell show me a 360 dunk (in game).

These are a few things that make NBA exciting, it gets the crowd going etc.

What I said is in WMMA they aren't limited to that of which a man can do. A man can do an armbar and a woman can. I also gave you a gif of 2 people doing the same move (powerbomb ko).

 

[Ashenthorn]

However, some women's sports compare quite well. I think WMMA and women's tennis are great examples. Both being individual sports make it much better as you cannot see their physical limitations as much since they are competing against each other. I actually can enjoy women's tennis just as much as men's tennis. Women's tennis has longer rallies which I enjoy. One of the few times a physical limitation arguably makes the sport better. WMMA doesn't quite translate that well, because there are certain athletic moves that women cannot do as well as men. I doubt we'll be seeing quite as many techniques like showtime kicks in WMMA, but we can still see plenty of good action. I've actually enjoyed pretty much every WMMA fight I've seen. The one major positive I can see in WMMA so far is I haven't seen pretty much any boring fight where almost nothing happens. We've all seen plenty of fights like that in MMA, but WMMA fights are normally very fast paced. I haven't seen a WMMA fight where it looks like both fighters are just fighting not to lose.

I wonder if on the Sherdog of tennis, they sit around and debate which men's players Maria Sharapova needs to be able to beat in order to earn her spot on the court.

 

[JonesBones]

I will take sports that i like Volleyball and Tenis. Girls can have a similar level of ability, you won't notice because they are no close in the athleticism departament, so they are slower and pack less power. That won't mean they don't have some serious technical skills.

It isn't just athleticism. It is hand eye coordination and spatial ability. Putting is a good example.

 

[JonesBones]

I honestly don't know why I'm responding to this post but oh well here it goes.

My first post isn't a contradiction at all, seriously I don't think you know what the word means.

In WNBA women are limited to what they can do. Need an example? Show me a gif of a half court alley-oop. Show me a gif of a woman jumping over a woman that's taller than them and dunking it home. Hell show me a 360 dunk (in game).

These are a few things that make NBA exciting, it gets the crowd going etc.

What I said is in WMMA they aren't limited to that of which a man can do. A man can do an armbar and a woman can. I also gave you a gif of 2 people doing the same move (powerbomb ko).

Most of those things you mentioned are very rare in the NBA, and not the reason why a game is exciting. All this really shows is that basketball is a harder sport and takes more athleticism than MMA, which we already knew.

 

[SODACKER]

I honestly don't know why I'm responding to this post but oh well here it goes.

My first post isn't a contradiction at all, seriously I don't think you know what the word means.

In WNBA women are limited to what they can do. Need an example? Show me a gif of a half court alley-oop. Show me a gif of a woman jumping over a woman that's taller than them and dunking it home. Hell show me a 360 dunk (in game).

These are a few things that make NBA exciting, it gets the crowd going etc.

What I said is in WMMA they aren't limited to that of which a man can do. A man can do an armbar and a woman can. I also gave you a gif of 2 people doing the same move (powerbomb ko).

So you think that other than dunks, nba and wnba look the same.

 

[ben236]

However, some women's sports compare quite well. I think WMMA and women's tennis are great examples. Both being individual sports make it much better as you cannot see their physical limitations as much since they are competing against each other. I actually can enjoy women's tennis just as much as men's tennis. Women's tennis has longer rallies which I enjoy. One of the few times a physical limitation arguably makes the sport better. WMMA doesn't quite translate that well, because there are certain athletic moves that women cannot do as well as men. I doubt we'll be seeing quite as many techniques like showtime kicks in WMMA, but we can still see plenty of good action. I've actually enjoyed pretty much every WMMA fight I've seen. The one major positive I can see in WMMA so far is I haven't seen pretty much any boring fight where almost nothing happens. We've all seen plenty of fights like that in MMA, but WMMA fights are normally very fast paced. I haven't seen a WMMA fight where it looks like both fighters are just fighting not to lose.

This goes both ways though... There are many things especially on the ground that men can't do as well as the women since they just don't have the flexibility.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Well to be fair we heard the same spill about WNBA which was huge its first season. You heard a lot of "its a more pure game, it relies on basics and fundamentals and teamwork"

It wound up being a fad at best. People covered it and liked it the first season then it has just bled money ever since.

Womens boxing was similar, lot of hype and curiosity at first (mostly because of Ali) but it wound up being a fad as well.

Bingo. Sorry fellas, some sports just aren't made for women.

 

[TheComebackKid]

This goes both ways though... There are many things especially on the ground that men can't do as well as the women since they just don't have the flexibility.

I don't think your average quality male MMA fighter would let someone pull that off

 

[ben236]

I don't think your average quality male MMA fighter would let someone pull that off

I don't think your average quality male MMA fighter has the flexibility to perform that move to begin with.

 

[AP_RESURRECTION]

Very valid and obvious comparison

 

[dissolved]

True, WNBA has more talent though it still sucks . . . WMMA sucks even worse.

 

[Ashenthorn]

Let's not call wmma a massive success after one fight.

Women's mma is already a massive success. It's not like Dana White sat down one day and came up with some crazy idea of having women fight. WMMA has a long and successful track record of having matches on otherwise mens cards - from local and small shows, to Bodog Fight, Elite xc, Bellator, Strikeforce, etc. There's an all women promotion that get's more popular with each passing card and will probably have a TV contract soon. It was inevitable with the closing of Strikeforce, that wmma would be brought to the UFC in some way. The only really big risk they took was to place the first fight as the headliner of a ppv -a risk that has seemed to work out just fine.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Anymore...

Everyone saw those kinds of replies in a bunch of threads.

That is not a valid comparison and i have one point to support that:

Point being a lot of people would turn on their TVs and probably pay to watch some fine girls beating each other with technical striking and grappling, a lot of those wouldn't turn on their TVs to watch girls throwing balls around playing basketball. It is as simple as that really, and that was proved by the sucess of UFC 157.

Not to mention that being an individual sports bring a lot of personality aspects to the table that help to attract media attention, and therefore public interest. People like badass girls with personality punching each other for real.

Sorry to bring you these facts, WMMA haters.

That's it, thank you for your time

MMA == NBA bad comparison
WMMA == WNBA bad comparison

but MMA::WMMA == NBA::WNBA....i dunno; it might be legit. i hope i didn't just lose the "less than brainiac" 85% of sherdoggers with that.

boxing is still the best - but far from perfect - comparison to any other sport though.

war Ali!