International Plan to 'decolonise' England's school curriculum to make it more 'diverse' and 'less western' slammed as 'indoctrination'

[KAZSoliloquy]

You can do a quick google search to see that everything I've listed above was invented and/or first used by white guys in the US. By your standard, it's white culture. Feel free to wiki search any of it. To help, the first literature in the US was produced by John Smith (explorer), while for theatre - "the birth of professional theater in the English colonies may have begun when Lewis Hallam arrived with his theatrical company in Williamsburg in 1752."

Edit: Oh and since you asked specifically about bicycles, the first bikes in the US were imported and then manufactured by white guys.

Feel free to check the rest.

Fyi I think it's a stupid standard but I'm happy to castrate you on your own hill.

you either misunderstand what culture is, what my position is, or are hilariously self-owning. a white guy was the first one to discover air, so i guess all human beings who breathe are white culture.

 

[Telford90]

you either misunderstand what culture is, what my position is, or are hilariously self-owning. a white guy was the first one to discover air, so i guess all human beings who breathe are white culture.

"You've set a standard that because one racial group did it first (e.g. black people with hip-hop), they have sole rights to that thing as their culture."

I posed that this was your standard based on your previous posts, and asked you if this was fair. You agreed (post #246).

Since you brought up air......enjoying not floating off the earth? Gravity, invented by a white guy. White culture based on your standard. Again, you chose to die on this hill.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

"You've set a standard that because one racial group did it first (e.g. black people with hip-hop), they have sole rights to that thing as their culture."

no. it's that they did it alone lol

Since you brought up air......enjoying not floating off the earth? Gravity, invented by a white guy. White culture based on your standard. Again, you chose to die on this hill.

yes, gravity, famously didn't exist until someone "invented" it. you're full of wisdom today.

 

[Bullitt68]

no. you can.

A far-right Twitter troll was sentenced to seven months in prison for his 2016 election tweets

A jury found Douglass Mackey’s tweets amounted to voter suppression.

www.theverge.com

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/internet-troll-jailed-for-abusing-families-of-dead-teenagers/

Did you read your own links?

"Most of what Vaughn and others posted was just memes, and most of the activity was free speech covered by the First Amendment. But one of Mackey’s tactics crossed a different line."

Note the "different line" part.

 

[Telford90]

no. it's that they did it alone lol

yes, gravity, famously didn't exist until someone "invented" it. you're full of wisdom today.

Everything I listed above white people invented/used first in the US, so at some point white people did it alone.

So how many people/long does a racial group need to do something alone for before it becomes their culture? 1 person? 10? 100?

Or maybe your definition of culture is dumb and you'd like to re-define it. Again I gave you opportunities to adjust your position. You declined multiple times and put yourself in this hole.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Did you read your own links?

"Most of what Vaughn and others posted was just memes, and most of the activity was free speech covered by the First Amendment. But one of Mackey’s tactics crossed a different line."

Note the "different line" part.

and can you find some cases from japan that didn't cross a line outside of pure free speech? as far as i know, they outlawed cyber bullying in the wake of a celebrity's death which is what that guy went to jail for.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Everything I listed above white people invented/used first in the US, so at some point white people did it alone.

well, no, that's not at all what that means.

So how many people/long does a racial group need to do something alone for before it becomes their culture? 1 person? 10? 100?

i'd say it's more a length of time thing than a person-count.

Or maybe your definition of culture is dumb and you'd like to re-define it. Again I gave you opportunities to adjust your position. You declined multiple times and put yourself in this hole.

i'm in absolutely no hole. you just tried to claim white people invented a force inherent to the earth we live on that existed before humans did. i'm doing just fine.

 

[Bullitt68]

and can you find some cases from japan that didn't cross a line outside of pure free speech?

I asked you. I'm no expert. You just made a blanket statement, and made it definitively, and I remembered hearing about Japan cracking down on posting online, which would seem to contradict what you said, so I asked a question. It's clear to me now that you don't actually know what you're talking about, so never mind.

 

[Telford90]

well, no, that's not at all what that means.

i'd say it's more a length of time thing than a person-count.

i'm in absolutely no hole. you just tried to claim white people invented a force inherent to the earth we live on that existed before humans did. i'm doing just fine.

I did it in jest to point out the stupidity of your position. I note you are ignoring all the other things I pointed out (literature, theatre etc.)

OK so if you're changing what you define culture to be (noting you previously agreed to it in post #246). Here's your chance. Give me what you define culture as, and what parameters you use to determine which group has ownership over something as part of their culture.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I asked you. I'm no expert. You just made a blanket statement, and made it definitively, and I remembered hearing about Japan cracking down on posting online, which would seem to contradict what you said, so I asked a question. It's clear to me now that you don't actually know what you're talking about, so never mind.

oh right i just don't know what i'm talking about. you claimed online trolls go to jail in japan, i said i don't know but here are some trolls who went to jail in america. this of course, means i don't know anything. and now you say YOU don't actually know if online trolls go to jail in japan, you were just asking. that's fair.

i guess i also made a mistake assuming YOU knew what you were talking about when you made a claim and argued for it, and now that you are asked to provide examples you can't. my fault man. you're right, it's illegal to be mean to people in japan.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I did it in jest to point out the stupidity of your position. I note you are ignoring all the other things I pointed out (literature, theatre etc.)

no i didn't ignore you. i told you you were dead wrong. i said fuck no. native americans already were doing theatrical performance when the settlers got here and had their own literature. you're just wrong lmao

OK so if you're changing what you define culture to be (noting you previously agreed to it in post #246). Here's your chance. Give me what you define culture as, and what parameters you use to determine which group has ownership over something as part of their culture.

my agreement was to you saying "speaking english" was an example of white american culture. i should have responded to the paragraph above it separately. my fault.

 

[Telford90]

no i didn't ignore you. i told you you were dead wrong. i said fuck no. native americans already were doing theatrical performance when the settlers got here and had their own literature. you're just wrong lmao

my agreement was to you saying "speaking english" was an example of white american culture. i should have responded to the paragraph above it separately. my fault.

The practice of going to the theatre, a deidcated, enclosed space to watch a theatrical performance was brought to the US by English theatre producers (feel free to wiki if you need confirmation). Please provide evidence of the contrary. And no, people passing down oral traditions around a campfire does not constitute a practice consistent with modern/cultural understandings of theatre. Also provide evidence of pre-white settler literature in the US (as in books, as that is what the cultural understanding of literature refers to).

Also not buying your agreement as a misunderstanding. You've had multiple times to clarify before this point. You're only doing so now as you've run out of ways to try and weasel around it. Again, feel fee to provide a definition of culture.

Jesus just take the L bro.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The practice of going to the theatre, a deidcated, enclosed space to watch a theatrical performance was brought to the US by English theatre producers (feel free to wiki if you need confirmation). Please provide evidence of the contrary.

oh the commodification and financial capitalization of theater? absolutely. you can have that one. that's white people. we like to turn everything into paywalled products.

And no, people passing down oral traditions around a campfire does not constitute a practice consistent with modern/cultural understandings of theatre.

that's just not true. it's literally theatre.

Also provide evidence of pre-white settler literature in the US (as in books, as that is what the cultural understanding of literature refers to).

again, no it's not. you're just wrong. "show me theatre but it has to be in a closed space with paying patrons, and show me literature but it has to be written down and written on modern inventions that post-date european contact"

hilarious.

mayan and aztec tribes pre-european contact had written language and written literature btw

Also not buying your agreement as a misunderstanding. You've had multiple times to clarify before this point. You're only doing so now as you've run out of ways to try and weasel around it. Again, feel fee to provide a definition of culture.

Jesus just take the L bro.

lmfaoooooo explain how gravity was invented man. i remember hearing about how everything was just floating around in space before white people came to america. explains why those native americans couldn't figure out ink.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The practice of going to the theatre, a deidcated, enclosed space to watch a theatrical performance was brought to the US by English theatre producers (feel free to wiki if you need confirmation). Please provide evidence of the contrary. And no, people passing down oral traditions around a campfire does not constitute a practice consistent with modern/cultural understandings of theatre. Also provide evidence of pre-white settler literature in the US (as in books, as that is what the cultural understanding of literature refers to).

Also not buying your agreement as a misunderstanding. You've had multiple times to clarify before this point. You're only doing so now as you've run out of ways to try and weasel around it. Again, feel fee to provide a definition of culture.

Jesus just take the L bro.

hate to double quote but i checked out your wikipedia recommendation.

"Before the first English colony was established in 1607, there were Spanish dramas and Native American tribes that performed theatrical events.[2] Representations continued to be held in Spanish-held territories in what later became the United States. For example, at the Presidio of Los Adaes in the New Philippines (now in Louisiana), several plays were presented on October 12, 1721.[3]"

 

[Telford90]

oh the commodification and financial capitalization of theater? absolutely. you can have that one. that's white people. we like to turn everything into paywalled products.

that's just not true. it's literally theatre.

again, no it's not. you're just wrong. "show me theatre but it has to be in a closed space with paying patrons, and show me literature but it has to be written down and written on modern inventions that post-date european contact"

hilarious.

mayan and aztec tribes pre-european contact had written language and written literature btw

lmfaoooooo explain how gravity was invented man. i remember hearing about how everything was just floating around in space before white people came to america. explains why those native americans couldn't figure out ink.

I specified what literature and theatre refers to because if you ask someone what theatre is, or what literature is in modern culture, they'll tell you books and going to the theatre. Surely you can't be that obtuse?

I love that you're still focused on something I said taking the piss, and you still haven't provided an alternative definition of culture (given you've already tacitly acknowledged that your previously agreed upon position is untenable) despite multiple opportunities to do so.

You're either trolling or a dullard.

 

[Telford90]

hate to double quote but i checked out your wikipedia recommendation.

"Before the first English colony was established in 1607, there were Spanish dramas and Native American tribes that performed theatrical events.[2] Representations continued to be held in Spanish-held territories in what later became the United States. For example, at the Presidio of Los Adaes in the New Philippines (now in Louisiana), several plays were presented on October 12, 1721.[3]"

First theatre in the US was 1716 by a white dude. Sorry bro.

 

[Hog-train]

they rank 10-12 spots below the US in the press freedom index, where we aren't even top 50.

World Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not in regards to speech. The United States is very unique in the world where it was founded on principles of free speech.

dude that happens in america too lol im not saying we dont have freedom of speech, but they do too.

Dude I'm Asian. Free speech is not really protected in Asia.

If you publicly start criticizing politicians there, you get fucked. In Thailand, you can't even accidentally step on money that has the king's picture on it or you'll get arrested.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I specified what literature and theatre refers to because if you ask someone what theatre is, or what literature is in modern culture, they'll tell you books and going to the theatre. Surely you can't be that obtuse?

not if you ask someone who isn't retarded? and what the hell does that have to do with the definition of the word? things aren't defined by what the random person on the street thinks lmfao

I love that you're still focused on something I said taking the piss

"taking the piss" huh? you wouldn't happen to be a british white guy who's feeling really threatened by non-white non-british history right now, would you?

and you still haven't provided an alternative definition of culture

i don't have an alternative definition. culture is already defined.

(given you've already tacitly acknowledged that your previously agreed upon position is untenable)

i ignored YOUR babble about redefining culture because it doesn't need to be redefined, and never agreed to it, i agreed that speaking english in america is white american culture. what's walking back something is pretending white people invented gravity and then going "no! i was just kidding!"

despite multiple opportunities to do so.

You're either trolling or a dullard.

british white guy finds out other people enjoyed shit before his ancestors did, in real-time.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Not in regards to speech. The United States is very unique in the world where it was founded on principles of free speech.

so you brought up the freedom of press index why?

Dude I'm Asian. Free speech is not really protected in Asia.

If you publicly start criticizing politicians there, you get fucked. In Thailand, you can't even accidentally step on money that has the king's picture on it or you'll get arrested.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

i'm absolutely not. you're just either making shit up or arguing against shit i never said lmao ishiba is widely criticized in japan, and freely. there are some asian countries that are less free, absolutely. i didn't say all asian countries had the same level of free speech. there aren't white countries with the same freedom of speech as america either.

feel free to quote where i said ALL asian countries have the same freedom of speech as americans.

 

[Hog-train]

so you brought up the freedom of press index why?

WTF did you even look at your own link? Japan ranks like 79 on the list. Score of 62 out of 100 on the freedom press index.

i'm absolutely not. you're just either making shit up or arguing against shit i never said lmao ishiba is widely criticized in japan, and freely. there are some asian countries that are less free, absolutely. i didn't say all asian countries had the same level of free speech. there aren't white countries with the same freedom of speech as america either.

I'm not making shit up. In Thailand, if you criticize the King you go to jail. It's easily verifiable.

A Constitutional Court decision in 2012. Section 112 of Thai Criminal Code currently reads as follows: "Whoever defames, insults or threatens the King, the Queen, the Heir-apparent or the Regent, shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years."

feel free to quote where i said ALL asian countries have the same freedom of speech as americans.

You literally said Asian countries have free speech. The vast majority do not actually.