International Plan to 'decolonise' England's school curriculum to make it more 'diverse' and 'less western' slammed as 'indoctrination'

[KAZSoliloquy]

Yes. Where do you think Americans came from? This is a development from past technology.

england in the 1600's, at least the white ones.

No they absolutely did not and the single source you provided DID NOT BACK YOUR CLAIM. I spent the time to actually watch that shit and you're still going to sit here and lie about it.

dude if you can't understand basic english that's on you. i can give you another source that might make it click for you.

This Iconic Garment Wasn't Actually Invented in America's Wild West | Gear Patrol

Popular blue jean lore omits those who taught Americans how to dye hard-wearing cotton trousers: enslaved people from West Africa.

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i don't know what you're even arguing here. that they didn't initially design pants? they only turned them into jeans? oh my mistake.

I do in the following paragraph, but again, the burden isn't on me. You haven't listed any examples of non-white culture developed in the US. I was the one that brought up Hip Hop, not you.

i listed about 7 actually. things like jazz, the blues, and basically every genre that came after it. there's also two entire languages i put in there. but it's okay, here's a few more for you:

cajun/creole cooking, soul food, the first major american socialist movements alongside the civil rights movement, call-and-response style of speech, dreadlocks, i can keep going.

That's a complete moot argument. The concept of "white" is a recent thing. Show me a source claiming Scottish people aren't white.

white once meant anglo-saxon and celts were not included. they were racially inferior. read any major paper or speech from the 1800's by trevelyan or PM disraeli.

They are Europeans with a pale skin completion, that absolutely counts. That is what we are referring to when saying "white people"... And are you going to claim the white Germans who developed the beer culture in America, and globally for that matter, aren't white either?

they literally were not considered white.

Definitions of whiteness in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

yes i agree that germans are white people but when they were developing these cultures, the white people in the US and UK didn't think they were white. i'm german, scottish, french, and irish btw. i would have been viewed as racially inferior 150 years ago.

Where the fuck did I claim that and why would it have to be exclusive to whites? Hip Hop has a ton of white people involved in it

well, no, it didn't for years. and then it did.

so by your standards that makes it not-black culture? Why do you have a separate set of criteria for white people?

do you have a source that says black people weren't riding bicycles or motorcycles at some point? because i have a source that can prove that with hip-hop.

Again, you argue two set of rules. Had it been the inverse you would had claimed white people could never have created that music without black people inventing the electric guitar.

well it was black people who were using the non-amplified guitars in their jazz anyways. then a white guy amplified it and still black players used them. white people weren't using them in symphonies or minstrel shows or something in the 1930's. white people hadnt stolen black music yet lol

 

[AbominableJoman]

It’s about time for a purge.

 

[Telford90]

england in the 1600's, at least the white ones.

dude if you can't understand basic english that's on you. i can give you another source that might make it click for you.

This Iconic Garment Wasn't Actually Invented in America's Wild West | Gear Patrol

Popular blue jean lore omits those who taught Americans how to dye hard-wearing cotton trousers: enslaved people from West Africa.

www.gearpatrol.com

i don't know what you're even arguing here. that they didn't initially design pants? they only turned them into jeans? oh my mistake.

i listed about 7 actually. things like jazz, the blues, and basically every genre that came after it. there's also two entire languages i put in there. but it's okay, here's a few more for you:

cajun/creole cooking, soul food, the first major american socialist movements alongside the civil rights movement, call-and-response style of speech, dreadlocks, i can keep going.

white once meant anglo-saxon and celts were not included. they were racially inferior. read any major paper or speech from the 1800's by trevelyan or PM disraeli.

they literally were not considered white.

Definitions of whiteness in the United States - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

yes i agree that germans are white people but when they were developing these cultures, the white people in the US and UK didn't think they were white. i'm german, scottish, french, and irish btw. i would have been viewed as racially inferior 150 years ago.

well, no, it didn't for years. and then it did.

do you have a source that says black people weren't riding bicycles or motorcycles at some point? because i have a source that can prove that with hip-hop.

well it was black people who were using the non-amplified guitars in their jazz anyways. then a white guy amplified it and still black players used them. white people weren't using them in symphonies or minstrel shows or something in the 1930's. white people hadnt stolen black music yet lol

I'm not going to go back and forth eith you because you're either incredibly stupid, or arguing in bad faith. I just wanted to hone in on the bolded alone to highlight this.

You've set a standard that because one racial group did it first (e.g. black people with hip-hop), they have sole rights to that thing as their culture.

The bicycle was invented by Karl von Drais de Sauerbrun, a white guy. The very first bicycles in the US were ridden in the late 19th century, by white guys. Therefore at one point in time, white guys were riding bicycles and black guys weren't. By your standard, bicycles are white culture.

Would you happy for this to be the standard going forward? Just off the top of my head I can think of the following things that'd be 'white culture' in America based on your standard:
- speaking English
- literature
- tv
- radio
- poetry
- theatre
- cars

This can go for a while. Really the hill you want to die on?

 

[Hdfi]

Diversity doing its thing (i.e. destroying countries).

There is a reason there is no developed country in the world with a majority-minority ethnic composition.

 

[Lycandroid]

Homo erectus invented fire, if you use fire you are guilty of prehuman cultural appropriation

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

I'm not going to go back and forth eith you because you're either incredibly stupid, or arguing in bad faith. I just wanted to hone in on the bolded alone to highlight this.

You've set a standard that because one racial group did it first (e.g. black people with hip-hop), they have sole rights to that thing as their culture.

The bicycle was invented by Karl von Drais de Sauerbrun, a white guy. The very first bicycles in the US were ridden in the late 19th century, by white guys. Therefore at one point in time, white guys were riding bicycles and black guys weren't.

oh really? white guys and white guys alone? care to provide a source?

By your standard, bicycles are white culture.

Would you happy for this to be the standard going forward? Just off the top of my head I can think of the following things that'd be 'white culture' in America based on your standard:

- speaking English

yeah, this is fair.

- literature

no

- tv

no

- radio

no

- poetry

fuck no

- theatre

fuck no

- cars

i mean, i guess? they aren't really american but i can give you that.

This can go for a while. Really the hill you want to die on?

well considering you got about two there, it seems like a comfy hill.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

There is a reason there is no developed country in the world with a majority-minority ethnic composition.

wait what? there's no developed country in the world with a majority and a minority ethnic group? there's just no developed countries then.

 

[Hdfi]

wait what? there's no developed country in the world with a majority and a minority ethnic group? there's just no developed countries then.

“majority-minority” country = no race (alone) or ethnic group has greater than a 50% share of the total population.

Examples of majority-minority countries:
- Brazil (mixed 45.3%, White 43.5%, Black 10.2%, Indigenous 0.6%, Asian 0.4%).
- Ghana (Akan 45.7%, Mole-Dagbani 18.5%, Ewe 12.8%, Ga-Dangme 7.1%, Gurma 6.4%, Guan 3.2%, Grusi 2.7%, Mande 2%, other 1.6%).
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/ghana/#people-and-society

 

[Hog-train]

it's just not. asian and african countries have free speech as well.

Asian countries do not really have free speech in practice.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

“majority-minority” country = no race (alone) or ethnic group has greater than a 50% share of the total population.

Examples of majority-minority countries:
- Brazil (mixed 45.3%, White 43.5%, Black 10.2%, Indigenous 0.6%, Asian 0.4%).
- Ghana (Akan 45.7%, Mole-Dagbani 18.5%, Ewe 12.8%, Ga-Dangme 7.1%, Gurma 6.4%, Guan 3.2%, Grusi 2.7%, Mande 2%, other 1.6%).
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/ghana/#people-and-society

brazil is a highly developed country, so off to a bad start. israel, mexico, and argentina also fit this model.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Asian countries do not really have free speech in practice.

absolutely false.

 

[Hog-train]

absolutely false.

Tell me what Asian countries have free speech like we have in the US.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Tell me what Asian countries have free speech like we have in the US.

japan for starters. their constitution protects free speech just as ours does.

 

[Bullitt68]

japan for starters. their constitution protects free speech just as ours does.

Can't you go to jail for online trolling there?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Can't you go to jail for online trolling there?

idk probably. you can have that happen in the US too

 

[Hog-train]

japan for starters. their constitution protects free speech just as ours does.

As I said "in practice."

While Japan's constitution guarantees freedom of speech, its practice is considered limited, particularly regarding press freedom, due to factors like the "kisha kurabu" (press club) system which gives the government significant influence over what journalists can report, leading to self-censorship and lower rankings in international press freedom indices.

This means that while citizens can generally express opinions, critical reporting on the government can face significant obstacles.

I'm also Korean, and it's the same shit there. Freedom of speech is significantly curtailed. You can get sued very easily for even saying shit online.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

You're wrong. As I said "in practice."

While Japan's constitution guarantees freedom of speech, its practice is considered limited, particularly regarding press freedom, due to factors like the "kisha kurabu" (press club) system which gives the government significant influence over what journalists can report, leading to self-censorship and lower rankings in international press freedom indices.

they rank 10-12 spots below the US in the press freedom index, where we aren't even top 50.

World Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This means that while citizens can generally express opinions, critical reporting on the government can face significant obstacles.

I'm also Korean, and it's the same shit there. Freedom of speech is significantly curtailed. You can get sued very easily for even saying shit online.

dude that happens in america too lol im not saying we dont have freedom of speech, but they do too.

 

[Bullitt68]

idk probably. you can have that happen in the US too

Um, you can't. If you could, us mods would be doing more than just yellow carding and banning folks.

 

[Telford90]

oh really? white guys and white guys alone? care to provide a source?

yeah, this is fair.

no

no

no

fuck no

fuck no

i mean, i guess? they aren't really american but i can give you that.

well considering you got about two there, it seems like a comfy hill.

You can do a quick google search to see that everything I've listed above was invented and/or first used by white guys in the US. By your standard, it's white culture. Feel free to wiki search any of it. To help, the first literature in the US was produced by John Smith (explorer), while for theatre - "the birth of professional theater in the English colonies may have begun when Lewis Hallam arrived with his theatrical company in Williamsburg in 1752."

Edit: Oh and since you asked specifically about bicycles, the first bikes in the US were imported and then manufactured by white guys.

Feel free to check the rest.

Fyi I think it's a stupid standard but I'm happy to castrate you on your own hill.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Um, you can't. If you could, us mods would be doing more than just yellow carding and banning folks.

no. you can.

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