Pierce: Palhares is definitely a cheat

[snizzar]

Yah...I get what your saying. But you cant tell a fighter to control his strength in a fight, it doesnt work like that. When a sub is applied the intention is to crank a limb so hard that your opponent has to give up.....thats the mentality a fighter has.

Its like telling someone not to punch someone hard and control their punching power.

That is true, and like you said since it's a high stakes high level fight so I'll overlook the "over powering" part, but I still think he should've been consciously looking for the tap after committing to the sub, and let go as soon as he felt the second tap from Drwal.

I say that though with experience from people cranking submissions/going to hard while rolling. Like I said before, especially with leg locks if you crank it just a little too far the guy could end up needing surgery (worst case scenario obviously), and that's bad news in every possible way.

 

[JKS]

Palhares does this in BJJ fairly often along with all the incidents he has had in MMA. Stop making excuses for him.

I am not a big Palhares fan...or really one to being with so I dont need to make excuses for him. Im calling it like I see it considering the type of subs he applies and the mentality of a fighter. Sometimes things like this happen.

Everyone is talking about his fight with Drwal.....but what about his other submissions in the UFC?? He has had many, but yet that is the only one where he made a supposed error and held on too long. I dont here anyone talking about his subs over Ivan or Branch, or Linhares that he held on too long.

 

[thailine]

When you're opponent is tapping that frantically you don't make the ref tug on your arm twice before you let go. It's not cheating and I don't even think it's malicious, but it is definitely something that needs to be criticized.

Seems a simple enough concept to me...

sometimes its just in the heat of the moment.

If I manage to slap a heal hook on someone in a real fight, there's a good chance I'll over react because it's "the heat of the moment." "Paul" is a heal hook specialist. There's a lot less excuse for him. He knows how to maintain stead pressure (vs increasing) when his opponent taps and to release immediately when the ref calls the fight. He's not a rookie in general or with the technique specifically. Now I can't/won't speak to WHY he does this (malice/IQ/whatever).

 

[SeattleFightFan]

That is true, and like you said since it's a high stakes high level fight so I'll overlook the "over powering" part, but I still think he should've been consciously looking for the tap after committing to the sub, and let go as soon as he felt the second tap from Drwal.

I say that though with experience from people cranking submissions/going to hard while rolling. Like I said before, especially with leg locks if you crank it just a little too far the guy could end up needing surgery (worst case scenario obviously), and that's bad news in every possible way.

Fedor claims he didn't want to break Hunt's arm in the first 3 minutes of their fight. Hunt rolled out, they fought 9 minutes, Fedor subbed him, and the haters ripped him for taking 9 minutes to beat Hunt.

fans cannot be happy. too cautious, they rip you. too aggressive, they rip you.

i'm with JKS on this one, in the sense that i'm not going to praise nor rip Fedor or Palhares. it's just too easy to nitpick every fighters' moves, comments, etc.

do i wish Palhares had let go quicker? ya, i do actually. but i don't hold it against him either. knowwhutimean?

 

[DeathIsHere]

Everyone gets on Palhares case for holding the subs too long. I think its rather BS to be honest. He is a sub artist that is very strong and puts a lot of power in his subs. His main submission is a leg lock.....its not like a arm bar or a choke where you feel that elevated level of pain and you thinking about tapping. A leg lock comes fast...you dont feel anything and in a split second....it goes from nothing to max pain. Its a very quick elevation. That is why guys that he submits tap so fast.....and the ref cant get in there fast enough sometimes

Its just a different reaction time.

That is exactly why the Drwal incident was so bad. He *did* hold that one too long, and he got suspended for it. Unless you think they just suspended him for no reason. He held it too long. With his main submission being a leg lock, a heel hook in particular (which is even more painful and has even more potential to tear up your leg) he should know how much damage he can do if he doesn't let go when the referee stops it.

To me, I can get over the positive test. We don't know all of the details and it'll come down to his word for the most part so as long as it doesn't happen again labeling him a cheater is a bit much. However, the Drwal incident was clear as day and we saw the whole thing. He held that submission too long and everybody knew it, Joe said it immediately. Drwal was screaming in pain. I don't like that kinda thing, I hated it when Babalu did it and I hated it when Palhares did it. He deserved what he got and he deserves any label that comes from it, he could have seriously jeopardized Drwal's career and whatever it takes to ensure it never happens again, so be it.

 

[deanbjj]

So, he took testosterone by mistake or something?

Have you seen any of his interview? He barely speaks Portuguese. He has 0 education, hes not the shapes tool.... His coach probably gave him.

 

[PRIDE#1]

That is true, and like you said since it's a high stakes high level fight so I'll overlook the "over powering" part, but I still think he should've been consciously looking for the tap after committing to the sub, and let go as soon as he felt the second tap from Drwal.

I say that though with experience from people cranking submissions/going to hard while rolling. Like I said before, especially with leg locks if you crank it just a little too far the guy could end up needing surgery (worst case scenario obviously), and that's bad news in every possible way.

You don't let go when the fighter taps. What happens when the ref says I didn't see him tap? When Royce fought I forgot who, I want to say Shamrock or Kimo, Royce made him tap and he let go, but the ref didn't see it and Shamrock/Kimo lied and said he didn't tap. That's why you have to let the ref stop it. I'll admit when the ref grabbed his arm the 1st time he should of let go because he knows the damage that a heel hook can cause. I don't get all the hate for him though. Also wow at the fighter bashing and not one mod has said anything. So what if he has a low IQ, I'm quite sure everyone on Sherdog isn't the brightest star in the sky either. You don't have to like the guy, but to make fun of him because he isn't that intelligent just goes to show you that you have some sort insecurity (Not speaking of you in particular. Was speaking about others sorry)!

 

[ali2013champ]

Its a slow motion GIF first....and Palhares let go right when the ref go in there. The ref pulled a bit harder. My point is that he doesn't intentionally want to hurt anyone, sometimes its just in the heat of the moment.

People are such hypocrites on here...not saying you. But will criticize one guy and praise another for doing the same thing.

slow motion?

here you go slow motion

Palhares is clearly cranking when Drwal tapped and he is still cranking when ref tries to stop

 

[Ajax3006]

People bitching about the Drwal fight always confused me. He lets go a second after the ref starts prying, you know like, how about every other submission ever goes. It's just he's strong enough to fuck you up and put you in pain faster due to his style and outrageous build. Not defending him, dudes a moron and dangerous, but hey, if there's vicious dangerous strikers, why can't there be vicious dangerous grapplers?

 

[cjlewis01]

The real question is whether he is getting cut if he loses?

Dude is 9-3 in the UFC if I remember right, but after Okami, who knows?

 

[Dart Feld]

The real question is whether he is getting cut if he loses?

Dude is 9-3 in the UFC if I remember right, but after Okami, who knows?

Dropping a weight class usually buys you an extra fight even if you lose the fight in the new division.

 

[cjlewis01]

Dropping a weight class usually buys you an extra fight even if you lose the fight in the new division.

I meant pierce lol

 

[Sosua]

Palhares is clearly not 100% mentally and the elevated test is a bad look.

Pierce also comes across like a douche so... meh.

I think Pierce wins this fight comfortably though via being tough, keeping it standing and TKOing Harris.

 

[Dart Feld]

I meant pierce lol

Oh, whoops. In that case, with the Fitch, Volkman, and Okami cuts I wouldn't be surprised if UFC did do that.

Would be pretty silly though.

 

[Silverblur]

Its the refs job to stop the fight and get in there. Drawl can scream all he wants, its Rousimars job to finish the fight. The ref came, he let go.....he applies subs with power, if anyone trained submissions you know sometimes its as delayed reaction to let go. He's not in there to think about Drawls feelings and well being, he is trying to make him tap.

People will yell and cry over Palhares.....but yet a scenario with Weidman and Munoz or Mir and Carwin no one brings up. Its the refs fault for letting it go...its the same thing.

If he let go as soon as the ref got there he would be getting a lot less criticism, but he didn't; the ref had to yank on his arm two or three times even though his opponent was desperately tapping and screaming. I realize that you can't let go immediately after the tap because sometimes the ref doesn't see it, but you should be ready to let go quickly once the ref gets there.

 

[BORCAT]

At least Pierce knows he's getting smashed & his leg snapped.

Then he'll fade away again.

It's obvious he's trying to make a name for himself cause he's fight Toquinho.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Nooooo... Did you see the Tomasz Drwal fight?
Anyone who's ever had a knee injury automatically hates him, then anyone who hates cheaters hates him too.

LOL, yea, I remember the ref was trying to PRY him loose for a good 3 seconds before he let go.
Then he jumped up and celebrated shamelessly, seemingly unconcerned with the damage he may have inflicted on his opponent.

 

[BORCAT]

That was just a misunderstanding.

 

[Bokelj]

Everyone gets on Palhares case for holding the subs too long. I think its rather BS to be honest. He is a sub artist that is very strong and puts a lot of power in his subs. His main submission is a leg lock.....its not like a arm bar or a choke where you feel that elevated level of pain and you thinking about tapping. A leg lock comes fast...you dont feel anything and in a split second....it goes from nothing to max pain. Its a very quick elevation. That is why guys that he submits tap so fast.....and the ref cant get in there fast enough sometimes

Its just a different reaction time.

I understand the sudden painrush but there are situations where the ref had physically intervened and he still didn't let go. I think the Drwal situation if I remember correctly.

Friends of mine did a seminar of his, the dudes extremely nice but when the cagedoor closes.. Well, shit happens

 

[Sherm]

Palhares obviously has issues communicating with the ref. There was the time he stopped fighting to say something to the ref and got ko'ed by Marquardt as a result, and the time when he assumed the ref had stopped the fight against Dan Miller,and went and jumped on top of the cage to celebrate.

The guy is just a total weirdo. I don't assume he's stupid, it seems more like he's so wound up in there that his perceptions are totally off. Some sort of adrenaline induced tunnel vision thing.