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Pick one fighter from the pre-2005 era to become champ today.

This is more an indicator of how trash HW is today than how good Fedor was.

Fedor would have gotten wrecked during the JDS, Cain, Stipe, DC era. Today he'd easily be top 3 if not the champion.

Fedor could compete with all of them. He had a complete skillset. Hung with prime Crocop on the feet. Smashed Nog from his guard. What do any of them bring that Fedor wouldn’t have an answer for?

Lol @ putting DC in the same sentence as those guys, and double lol at DC beating Fedor.
 
Fedor could compete with all of them. He had a complete skillset. Hung with prime Crocop on the feet. Smashed Nog from his guard. What do any of them bring that Fedor wouldn’t have an answer for?

Lol @ putting DC in the same sentence as those guys, and double lol at DC beating Fedor.
I have Fedor winning that fight, but it would be hard fought. I don't think Fedor would put DC away with punches and I have lesser faith in him submitting him but definitely a fun fight.
 
Fedor could compete with all of them. He had a complete skillset. Hung with prime Crocop on the feet. Smashed Nog from his guard. What do any of them bring that Fedor wouldn’t have an answer for?

Lol @ putting DC in the same sentence as those guys, and double lol at DC beating Fedor.
In a cage I would favor DC.
 
"Franklin" makes me think you're talking about Rich Franklin, but since you go on to talk about "Shamrock," I'm assuming you're referring to Frank Shamrock. In any event...



...this is confusing me more because I don't know which TJ would have any connection to either a "Franklin" or a "Shamrock"...



...but here you're clearly talking about Frank Shamrock. If you don't mind, I'll try to add some context. First, Frank had zero experience in anything before he ended up in the Lion's Den under Ken Shamrock's tutelage. It speaks to his freak athleticism and his passion for martial arts that he took to it so quickly. He's always been incredibly strong and explosive, and right away he developed fantastic and powerful TDs. He was hitting monster double legs on Bas right from the jump, which makes his career-ending slam on Igor Zinoviev less surprising. He also very quickly developed an excellent submission game and tapped tons of amazing catch wrestlers in Pancrase. Later, once he started training with Maurice Smith and Tsuyoshi Kosaka, he also developed a great guard game and great striking. He wasn't just well-rounded, he was able to do everything - punches, kicks, knees, shots, throws, GNP, submissions from the top, submissions from the bottom, sweeps - at an extremely high level. The version of Frank Shamrock that ran roughshod over the UFC would be competitive against anyone that's ever fought at 185, and even undersized at 200 lbs would give plenty of LHWs fits.

As for the specific fights you mentioned: He beat Bas Rutten in his very first fight, which is an extraordinary accomplishment. And their next two fights were very closely contested and tons of fun. As for Tito, he didn't get "dominated" in any universe. That's the MMA version of Ali/Foreman: Frank was never not in control, and his game plan of making Tito work and out-cardioing him was brilliant and effective.
My bad dude, it was late, kind of embarrassing lol, yes Frank Shamrock

I just assumed people had seen TJ on that podcast, I was referencing an episode of the Jaxxon podcast with Shamrock and TJ

I appreciate the well written post, that does help me understand why you guys talk about him the way you do a little more

I still don't buy him being competitive with anyone who has ever fought at 185, or 170 for that matter... but I also clearly don't know his career that well
 
That was Frank being humble and giving props to other California talent ..Frank Shamrock in his prime was not worried about BW Tj Dillashaw lol

Prime Frank was more then well rounded and was a true tactician of the sport MMA , the first guy to truly mix it all with great physically attributes too...he was fast, agile, fluent...could strike and sub, and didnt tire...

He was absolutely a better striker than Islam...and he wouldnt be freaking out on the ground against Islam ,like most of his opponents do...which leads to mistakes that Islam capitalizes on ...


He should of never been fighting above 170lbs but did and was successful...the fact he beat Tito who was a huge LHW is crazy...




Here he is dispatching an Olympic gold medalist wrestler with ease... he's not going to be worried about going to the ground with Islam ..and this is at 190lbs hes not a small man ....


I didn't mean he'd literally be scared of TJ himself, just that he acknowledged that level of wrestling was coming into the sport, and that would've been a problem for him

There's no way he was better at anything than Islam, a guy who is just as talented if not more and has had the luxury of training and developing as a fighter in the most ideal way possible since he was a child

The level of overall grappling ability Islam has today, did not exist in Shamrock's era... he can not freak out as much as he wants, Islam could do whatever he wanted to him imo

Arm barring Kevin Jackson is not proof he could hang on the ground with Islam lol
 
My bad dude, it was late, kind of embarrassing lol, yes Frank Shamrock

I just assumed people had seen TJ on that podcast, I was referencing an episode of the Jaxxon podcast with Shamrock and TJ

I appreciate the well written post, that does help me understand why you guys talk about him the way you do a little more
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I still don't buy him being competitive with anyone who has ever fought at 185, or 170 for that matter... but I also clearly don't know his career that well

Igor Zinoviev was a 6'1'' 200-pound striking machine who beat down the bigger Mario Sperry and blitzed the durable Enson Inoue. Frank ended his career in seconds.



Look at the explosiveness, look at the power, look at the technique instantly getting to side mount. He was no joke. He would've eaten Strickland for lunch and I think he'd give Khamzat fits on the ground (similar to what he did to Jeremy Horn, constantly reversing and scrambling and threatening with submissions, Horn would be able to get top position but he was never able to mount any actual offense because Frank was constantly moving) while DDP would probably be his toughest opponent stylistically but even that'd be a hell of a fun battle.
 
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Igor Zinoviev was a 6'1'' 200-pound striking machine who beat down the bigger Mario Sperry and blitzed the durable Enson Inoue. Frank ended his career in seconds.



Look at the explosiveness, look at the power, look at the technique instantly getting to side mount. He was no joke. He would've eaten Strickland for lunch and I think he'd give Khamzat fits on the ground (similar to what he did to Jeremy Horn, constantly reversing and scrambling and threatening with submissions, Horn would be able to get top position but he was never able to mount any actual offense because Frank was constantly moving) while DDP would probably be his toughest opponent stylistically but even that'd be a hell of a fun battle.

Beat down Sperry? If my memory serves me well, he was getting thoroughly controlled. Untill he landed 1 kick.
 
Beat down Sperry? If my memory serves me well, he was getting thoroughly controlled. Untill he landed 1 kick.

Your memory served you better than mine served me. Thanks for calling that out. I just rewatched the fight and you're right, "beat down" is inaccurate. In my head, I remembered Zinoviev reversing him and GNP'ing him a bunch en route to the TKO. He did reverse him half a dozen times, but he was constantly threatening with the guillotine, not striking.

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Your memory served you better than mine served me. Thanks for calling that out. I just rewatched the fight and you're right, "beat down" is inaccurate. In my head, I remembered Zinoviev reversing him and GNP'ing him a bunch en route to the TKO. He did reverse him half a dozen times, but he was constantly threatening with the guillotine, not striking.

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I can't remember yesterday yet I can remember obscure NHB fights from the 90s
 
I would love to see Gane or Aspinall try to stop a Coleman takedown
I think heavyweight had legitimately better talent back then than it does now. I think 85 and 205 were better too. Maybe not pre ‘05, but definitely 05-15.
 
That's a bit misleading. As thats not exactly MW.

Could Igor cut another 15lbs and retain what made him great. The cut to 200lbs didn't exactly go well. (It was very late in his career)
dude are you retarded? that's PRIDE's own divisions. wtf are you on?

MW Vovchanchyn = MW Vovchanchyn

your points don't answer anything besides point out your stupidity
 
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