Physical attributes are more important than technique

[AlanGregson]

As the old saying goes "all things equal, the stronger more athletic person will win" ... But is this really true, lets be real here, Brock Lesnar's grappling technique is not even close to Khabib Nurmagomedov but im almost certain that he could just hold khabib down and smash him with raw strength and steroids.
Same goes for boxing, Anthony Joshua's boxing skill is nowhere near a Manny Pacquiao or Alvarez but im pretty sure he could ko both of theme in the same night. If the bigger physically superior person doesnt know how to fight at all then yeah sure the smaller fighter can beat him up, but even a basic level HW could fuck up an elite lightweight... Discuss

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

As the old saying goes "all things equal, the stronger more athletic person will win" ... But is this really true, lets be real here, Brock Lesnar's grappling technique is not even close to Khabib Nurmagomedov but im almost certain that he could just hold khabib down and smash him with raw strength and steroids.
Same goes for boxing, Anthony Joshua's boxing skill is nowhere near a Manny Pacquiao or Alvarez but im pretty sure he could ko both of theme in the same night. If the bigger physically superior person doesnt know how to fight at all then yeah sure the smaller fighter can beat him up, but even a basic level HW could fuck up an elite lightweight... Discuss

This is a bad thread because you’ve turned what could have been a serious discussion into informing us all that a HW would beat a LW.

 

[Sonny Qc]

This is a bad thread because you’ve turned what could have been a serious discussion into informing us all that a HW would beat a LW.

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[DeathStroke]

This is a bad thread because you’ve turned what could have been a serious discussion into informing us all that a HW would beat a LW.

If you only read the title of the thread (as I normally do before shitposting) this thread could just as easily be about sex.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

I believe the old adage

Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.

A lot of great athletes don't work out as hard as guy who aren't as athletic.

But when a great athlete has that work ethic, it's tough to beat.

 

[ignorant MMA fan]

You mean weight classes exist for a reason?

 

[Karuzo]

How is Brock Lesnar fighting Khabib a good example of "all things equal"?

Pretty sure there's a lot of things not equal in that matchup.

 

[Espresso]

I beat the shit outta LW manlets all the time

 

[Slatersan]

Wasnt lesnar like 200-1 as a div 1 wrestler?​

 

[Satan's Daddy.]

Khabib can ko stipe.

/endthread

 

[grooves12]

Cormier vs. Rumble is a perfect example that invalidates this... going to the extremes of different weight classes makes the entire thread worthless.

 

[MRT]

As the old saying goes "all things equal, the stronger more athletic person will win" ... But is this really true, lets be real here, Brock Lesnar's grappling technique is not even close to Khabib Nurmagomedov but im almost certain that he could just hold khabib down and smash him with raw strength and steroids.
Same goes for boxing, Anthony Joshua's boxing skill is nowhere near a Manny Pacquiao or Alvarez but im pretty sure he could ko both of theme in the same night. If the bigger physically superior person doesnt know how to fight at all then yeah sure the smaller fighter can beat him up, but even a basic level HW could fuck up an elite lightweight... Discuss

You are cherry picking extreme examples using people who are many weight classes apart...but you are also not even sticking to the actual debate, based on the quote.

The claim being made is that ALL THINGS EQUAL, the stronger more athletic person will beat the more technical person...but if you just introduced a massive height, weight, and reach discrepancy, then 'all things' other than technical skill vs. strength and athleticism are not equal, are they?

 

[Sweater of AV]

GOATS

 

[Reign009]

Terrible examples.

Brock and Anthony are not "basic level". Especially when we're talking about Brock's wrestling and Anthony's boxing.

Anyway, when we've seen smaller fighters vs bigger fighter, the results are about even. Sometimes the bigger guy wins, sometimes the smaller guy wins.

 

[ConorFacts]

Roy Jones Jr

Floyd Mayweather

 

[Bmurray]

In mma we're still at a point where the less gifted can out-work and out-skill fighters with superior physical attributes
However at some point the money and prospect development reaches a point where that rarely happens
For example in tennis it has been something like 20 years since a sub-6-foot tall male became a grand slam singles champion
Right now skill may be worth more, but in the future the physical attributes will simply be required in order to test your skills in the first place

 

[Robotnickx]

If that were the case Mariusz P. would be GOAT.

 

[xn7]

You are cherry picking extreme examples using people who are many weight classes apart...but you are also not even sticking to the actual debate, based on the quote.

The claim being made is that ALL THINGS EQUAL, the stronger more athletic person will beat the more technical person...but if you just introduced a massive height, weight, and reach discrepancy, then 'all things' other than technical skill vs. strength and athleticism are not equal, are they?

he's obviously using a extreme example. problem is things will never be equal. but the guy is still right.

 

[Karuzo]

In mma we're still at a point where the less gifted can out-work and out-skill fighters with superior physical attributes
However at some point the money and prospect development reaches a point where that rarely happens
For example in tennis it has been something like 20 years since a sub-6-foot tall male became a grand slam singles champion
Right now skill may be worth more, but in the future the physical attributes will simply be required in order to test your skills in the first place

For MMA that is simply going to take way too long to happen, since there are so many different things to learn.

There will never be an "all skills are equal" scenario, because there are way too many things to learn in MMA.

Where someone is lacking in one martial art, they can make up for it in another.

In between Muay Thai, Dutch kickboxing, Western boxing, freestyle wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling, folkstyle wrestling, catch wrestling, Judo, BJJ, kyokushin karate, shotokan karate, Taekwondo, Sambo, Capoiera and then various forms of Kung Fu, there is just so much to learn...

then you also add in the fact that there are so many different styles of fighting WITHIN these different martial arts. For example there are guys with much different boxing styles, much different wrestling styles, much different BJJ styles etc.

There will never be fighters who are equally proficient in all of these arts. It's just too much for everyone to learn.

For Tennis, there are only a few ways you can really approach that game, so of course there will be a point where most players are equal in technique. But in MMA, there will always be different skills to implement into your game.

 

[j18lee]

That's what my ex-girlfriend told me.

Bitch.