1. The CW division when Usyk was there was stacked with talent, and that's why his unifying wins over Breidis and Gassiev are counted so highly. You might not know the names of the top guys in divisions you don't watch but the rest of us do. On top of that he came up and beat the much bigger and stronger world champ in Joshua, which is the very definition of P4P. Which brings me to point 2.
2. Tank didn't move up and fight one of the top guys in the division like Taylor, Prograis, Zepeda or Ramirez did he? No, he went after the weakest champion. Usyk moved up and fought a top world champ with KO power and outclassed him.
3. Spence and Crawford don't belong at #1, the winner probably does but right now i wouldn't have them at #1.
4. You can't say Haney is clearly the best at LW and then have him ranked tied with Tank, that just shows your bias. Haney beat the champ Kambo to unify... but Teo should have obliterated Kambo, Loma would have beat Kambo if he wasn't in the Ukraine, heck even Tank and Ryan have a great shot at beating Kambo. Haney dominated a guy who struggled to beat Bey, it's not some P4P feat.
5. Jermell in P4P discussion is fine, he's cleaned out the division and unified. Shakur has beat 1 top quality guy in Valdez, nobody else, so there's not even a chance he's top 10 P4P. Ability-wise maybe, but P4P isn't the eye test, it's resume and achievement based.
6. You claim Canelo isn't on the list because he lost to Bivol, but before you got banned previously Canelo was on a tear and you said to me "Canelo isn't even top 20 P4P". So don't act justified in your list because Bivol beat Canelo, you had Tank ranked above Canelo before Canelo had even lost...
Like i said in the other thread, you're a tool.
First of all, let me say your post is utter nonsense. in fact, it's such trash, i thought long and hard before i decided to actually lower myself to answer it. But anyway, here goes.
First of all, so long as there are names like ortiz, wilder, parker, ruiz, sanchez, whyte and possibly fury out there, it is HIGHLY questionable that usyk is the best at hw. I mean, AJ seems like a nice guy and i rooted for him, but he was and is a very flawed fighter. not only was he destroyed by a 5-11 fat dude, but he struggled with the likes of takam. AJ was very unimpressive against parker in a real stinker of a performance. In fact, I thought parker could have taken AJ if he had come with a little more mettle. I even low-key picked ruiz to beat AJ, especially based on how ordinary AJ looked against parker. Usyk's win over AJ is overblown. As ruiz proved, on any given night, a top hw could take AJ out. AJ is just lucky he didn't run into wilder a couple of years back, because he would probably STILL be knocked out with his porous defense and glass jaw.
So, you saying the cw division has been weak for pretty much it's entire existence, but somehow became strong ONLY when usyk was campaigning in that division????? Things that make you go BULLSHIT!!
that you think barrios was the weakest champ in the division is purely opinion and speculation and not backed up by any factual basis. if you give usyk credit for moving up in weight and outpointing AJ who had already been recently beat up and ktfo, you can't then say "tank don't deserve credit for moving up TWO weight classes and knocking out the undefeated champ." wth kind of reasoning is that? if you're not even gonna TRY to be consistent in your arguments just admit your bias right now and i'll stop responding to you.
Most of the KNOWELDGEABLE boxing world has crawford and spence sharing #1. So, your opinion is just what it is.
Loma was considered the pfp #1 for a long time. DID YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT???? Loma then lost to teo. so, teo took loma's place at the top of the pfp rankings. Devin DOMINATES kambosos who beat teo, but devin DOES NOT belong at the top of the pfp rankings???? is that what i hear you saying??? and "teo SHOULD have KO'd kambosos" so devin is not the best???? wtf kind of reasoning is that? did you forget teo had kambosos on the deck and still couldn't win the fight? it's because kambosos was the BETTER MAN that night. if you not gonna be consistent in your reasoning just admit your bias and I'll stop responding to you and we can end this discussion!
I mean, if that had been loma instead of devin giving Kambosos a complete boxing lesson, you would have been singing loma's praise as an unmatched talent. but for whatever reason, you can't give devin credit.
i see how y'all are.
shakur is a unified champ in his weight class... this is on his resume. That PLUS the eye test is why he's on the PFP list.
I have never ranked canelo high. I thought the ducked the charlo bros and a lara rematch at 154. i thought he also ducked charlo and andrade at 160. i thought he ducked benavidez at 168. But i have never said canelo was not a very good fighter. the fact bivol dominated such a very good fighter is why bivol is on the list.
