PFP shake up

[brundlefly]

I don’t get TS, but then again neither do I get people who pay good money to have women dressed as nurses spank them and yell at them in German.

damn...how did you find out about this? did that shrew Gretchen give me away AGAIN???

 

[brundlefly]

Not one single boxing outlet has your P4P list. Your list is blackwashed because youre problack and thats fine but lets call it what it is.

Show me one outlet that lists Devin Haney, Tank, and lmao Jaron Ennis as P4P while also excluding Usyk, Fury, and Canelo. It doesnt exist.

Do you know why it doesnt exist? Because, as you said, major media outlets dont prioritize race (like you) and objectively identify the best fighters in the world...who are who they are, whether you like it or not

XD XD XD

Dude, i already told you: I DON"T HAVE ANY FIDUCIARY INTEREST IN ANY BOXING FORUM OR FIGHTER OR PROMOTIONAL COMPANY, SO I CAN AFFORD TO BE HONEST IN MY OPINIONS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF AGENDA.

STOP COMPARING MY LISTS TO THE ONES ON WEBSITES AND OTHER COMMERCIAL OUTLETS THAT MAKE MONEY OFF THEIR CONTENT. THEY HAVE AN AGENDA BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE MONEY.

I DON"T MAKE MONEY FROM MY POSTS HERE, SO I DON"T HAVE AN AGENDA!!!

HOW CAN I MAKE THIS CLEARER TO YOUR DUBMASS???

YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T LIKE HONESTY IF IT DISAGREES WITH YOUR OWN AGENDA.

But i must admit, it is amazing that outright racist trolls like you get free reign on forums like this, but dudes want ME to get banned because i don't think fury and canelo and usyk are all that.

Things that make you go "hmmm"

 

[brundlefly]

That may be the worst p4p list I've seen. So so so many things wrong with it but I want you to humor me with your reason why Ennis is in the top 10 p4p and not Usyk or Canelo.

After your response, please never return to this forum. We'd appreciate you not clogging anymore threads.

Simple. PFP is based on a number of factors. One of them is the performance in the ring. Ennis obliterated lipnets. lipnets was a former 140 lb champ known as a very tough guy who up til then had lost only to then pfp guy mikey garcia and had never been stopped. lipnets had also walked through fire to ko peterson. ennis annihilated lipnets.

Then ennis destroys undefeated custio clayton who last year fought to a draw for the ibf ww title,and ennis did it in two rounds. ennis has a 96% ko percentage.

The other thing that pfp is based on is the eye test. ennis is so next level incredible as a fighter he is a solid pick against spence OR crawford (the consensus #1 pfp) or at least to replace them at the top of the division.

 

[jnes]

Simple. PFP is based on a number of factors. One of them is the performance in the ring. Ennis obliterated lipnets, who up til then had lost only to then pfp guy mikey garcia. then he destroys undefeated custio clayton who last year fought to a draw for the ibf ww title,and ennis did it in two rounds. ennis has a 96% ko percentage.

The other thing that pfp is based on is the eye test. ennis is so next level incredible as a fighter he is a solid pick to beat spence OR crawford (the consensus #1 pfp) if they were to sign to fight him.

How is beating AJ thoroughly, who a much bigger man and way better than a blown up Lipinets (natural 140er) and Clayton (who's claim is getting a draw with a much smaller Lipinets) not a better win? AJ had all the belts if you wanna bring that into consideration and Usyk boxed circles around him in his hometown. How about the fact that he beat murderous puncher Gassiev who was koing the best Cruiserweights, and made him look like an amateur. Or how about Mairis Breidis, the current number 1 cruiserweight and a p4p top 15 guy. Hell I could go on and on about his resume, it's fantastic. If you put Usyk in there with someone relative to Lipinets or Clayton he'll blast them out of the water just like Ennis. The difference is Usyk does it to the best fighters in the world, not Clayton who beat a guy with a losing record before the Ennis fight. Usyk is lightyears ahead of Ennis lmao. Maybe if he unifies 147 and 154 then we can talk.

Also Spence and Crawford are not consensus number 1 p4p fighters. The general picks for #1 are between Usyk, Inoue, and Canelo, and rightfully so as they all have better resumes. Spence and Crawford hover around the 6-4 range depending on who you ask but no one in their right mind has them as number 1. They have quality wins against great fighters, but let me know when they beat one another, Ennis, Ortiz, and Stanionis and move up to 154.

Usyk: Undisputed Cruiserweight Champ (2nd in history), Heavyweight champ (3/4 Belts)
Inoue: 3 division world champ, nearly Undisputed
Canelo: 4 division world champ, First ever Undisputed Super Middleweight champion

Absolute headcase

 

[Hagler]

The guy does act like a coke head.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Probably doesn't have permission to use the wifi there, so he's never watched half the boxers he's discussing.

Yep clearly has never seen a PPV

Yeah, i overestimated you. i mean, you're the guy who questioned the quality of opposition of tank and haney, etc...but you think beterbiev belongs in the top 10 pfp. what the f*ck actual basis do you have for saying something like that? certain remarks you make show me that you're not worth my time. i mean, name me the quality oppostion beterbiev has beaten that puts him above bivol...has beterbiev "cleaned out his division"? i would vomit all over your ignorant, biased, hypocritical post, but with your mentality, you would probably see that as a win.

I see a low I.Q. poster getting dragged all in a shit thread he made. That's what I see. I see not a one person agreeing with your comical clown shoes take.
You dont even know what P4P means you clown.
You clearly keep telling on yourself by speaking on weight classes you dont follow.
It has been broken down to you by MANY people who actually know & follow boxing.
@Kovalev's "Man Bag" & @Nova44 explained it perfectly to you. Yet you keep ignoring the facts with your bogus ignoramus claims that "nobody can prove me wrong or poke holes in my paper thin points."
I honestly wish mods would just ban idiots like you instantly. Troll threads while you just brickwall whatever knowledge somebody tries to shine on your dark room of a brain.

 

[brundlefly]

How is beating AJ thoroughly, who a much bigger man and way better than a blown up Lipinets (natural 140er) and Clayton (who's claim is getting a draw with a much smaller Lipinets) not a better win? AJ had all the belts if you wanna bring that into consideration and Usyk boxed circles around him in his hometown. How about the fact that he beat murderous puncher Gassiev who was koing the best Cruiserweights, and made him look like an amateur. Or how about Mairis Breidis, the current number 1 cruiserweight and a p4p top 15 guy. Hell I could go on and on about his resume, it's fantastic. If you put Usyk in there with someone relative to Lipinets or Clayton he'll blast them out of the water just like Ennis. The difference is Usyk does it to the best fighters in the world, not Clayton who beat a guy with a losing record before the Ennis fight. Usyk is lightyears ahead of Ennis lmao. Maybe if he unifies 147 and 154 then we can talk.

Also Spence and Crawford are not consensus number 1 p4p fighters. The general picks for #1 are between Usyk, Inoue, and Canelo, and rightfully so as they all have better resumes. Spence and Crawford hover around the 6-4 range depending on who you ask but no one in their right mind has them as number 1. They have quality wins against great fighters, but let me know when they beat one another, Ennis, Ortiz, and Stanionis and move up to 154.

Usyk: Undisputed Cruiserweight Champ (2nd in history), Heavyweight champ (3/4 Belts)
Inoue: 3 division world champ, nearly Undisputed
Canelo: 4 division world champ, First ever Undisputed Super Middleweight champion

Absolute headcase

Look, i'll say it again...for the last time. the cw div is and has been notoriously weak. it was weak when evander holyfield was champ. it was weak when yoan pablo hernandez was champ and when al cole was champ. it's always been a weak division.

allow me to illustrate: why are MOST of the top fighters at 135 -160 americans but the top lhw and cw fighters are eastern europeans? think about that question for a minute. where are the dominant ukrainians, russians, kazakhs at 140 and 147 and 154? THERE ARE NONE!!! there is a reason for that! the weakest divisions in boxing have always been the very small weight classes such as strawweight and fly weight and also the lhw-cw weight classes. first because there's just not that many tiny guys to fit into a straw weight division...but also because guys who could compete at lhw to cw are in OTHER SPORTS that are far more lucrative than boxing. that makes the cw division weak. in fact, it makes every division above mw and ESPECIALLY THE HW DIV WEAK.

that's not me saying this, there's been studies done.

https://punditarena.com/boxing/thepateam/heavyweight-boxing-decline-american-tradition/

 

[Nova44]

First of all, so long as there are names like ortiz, wilder, parker, ruiz, sanchez, whyte and possibly fury out there, it is HIGHLY questionable that usyk is the best at hw. I mean, AJ seems like a nice guy and i rooted for him, but he was and is a very flawed fighter. not only was he destroyed by a 5-11 fat dude, but he struggled with the likes of takam. AJ was very unimpressive against parker in a real stinker of a performance. In fact, I thought parker could have taken AJ if he had come with a little more fire. I even low-key picked ruiz to beat AJ, especially based on how ordinary AJ looked against parker. Usyk's win over AJ is overblown. As ruiz proved, on any given night, a top hw could take AJ out. AJ is just lucky he didn't run into wilder a couple of years back, because he would probably STILL be knocked out.

So, you saying the cw division has been weak for pretty much it's entire existence, but somehow became strong ONLY when usyk was campaigning in that division????? Things that make you go BULLSHIT!!

that you think barrios was the weakest champ in the division is purely opinion and speculation and not backed up by any factual basis. if you give usyk credit for moving up in weight and outpointing AJ who had already been recently beat up and ktfo, you can't then say "tank don't deserve credit for moving up TWO weight classes and knocking out the undefeated champ." wth kind of reasoning is that? if you're not even gonna TRY to be consistent in your arguments just admit your bias right now and i'll stop responding to you.

Most of the boxing world has crawford and spence sharing #1. So, your opinion is just what it is.

Loma was considered the pfp #1 for a long time. DID YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT???? Loma then lost to teo. so, teo took loma's place at the top of the pfp rankings. Devin DOMINATES kambosos who beat teo, but devin DOES NOT belong at the top of the pfp rankings???? is that what i hear you saying??? wtf kind of reasoning is that? if you not gonna be consistent in your reasoning just admit your bias and I'll stop responding to you and we can end this discussion!

shakur is a unified champ in his weight class... this is on his resume. That PLUS the eye test is why he's on the PFP list.

I have never ranked canelo high. I thought the ducked the charlo bros and a lara rematch at 154. i thought he also ducked charlo and andrade at 160. i thought he ducked benavidez at 168. But i have never said canelo was not a very good fighter. the fact bivol dominated such a very good fighter is why bivol is on the list.

As long as names like Joseph Parker are around it's highly questionable that Usyk is the best??? Are you fucking serious? Parker is absolute garbage. Now i know you don't watch much boxing.

I never once said the CW division was weak before Usyk got there, reading comprehension is hard right?

Barrios was the weakest champion, it's not my opinion, it's a stone cold fact. All 4 of the guys i listed were more credible opponents for Tank and that's why he didn't fight them. Taylor, Prograis, Zepeda and Ramirez were the best 4 in the division at that time, don't believe me? Ask anyone here, look on any ranking site prior to Barrios moving up to 147 and getting beatdown there too.

The Ring - Usyk > Crawford > Naoya
The Independent - Crawford > Usyk > Canelo
TBRB - Usyk > Naoya > Crawford
DAZN - Usyk > Crawford > Naoya
ESPN - Crawford > Naoya > Spence
Worldboxingnews - Usyk > Naoya > Canelo
SI - Crawford > Canelo > Usyk
Boxingsocial - Usyk > Crawford > Canelo
Badlefthook - Usyk > Naoya > Crawford

Tell me how "most have Crawford and Spence at #1 together? Go on, try dig yourself out of this hole.

Loma losing to Teo doesn't make Teo P4P king, wtf is that logic? Let's say you have Crawford at #1 and let's say Porter had beaten him, would that have made Porter #1 P4P? No it fucking wouldn't. Can't believe you don't understand how rankings work.

Shakur has only beaten Oscar Valdez... that's it, the eye test doesn't mean shit.

Your Canelo hatred is showing again so i don't even need to comment on that. Didn't you get banned last time for going off the rails when Canelo beat BJS? Yeah, you thought it was a fix didn't you hahaha.


Clown shoe.

 

[brundlefly]

Yep clearly has never seen a PPV

I see a low I.Q. poster getting dragged all in a shit thread he made. That's what I see. I see not a one person agreeing with your comical clown shoes take.
You dont even know what P4P means you clown.
You clearly keep telling on yourself by speaking on weight classes you dont follow.
It has been broken down to you by MANY people who actually know & follow boxing.
@Kovalev's "Man Bag" & @Nova44 explained it perfectly to you. Yet you keep ignoring the facts with your bogus ignoramus claims that "nobody can prove me wrong or poke holes in my paper thin points."
I honestly wish mods would just ban idiots like you instantly. Troll threads while you just brickwall whatever knowledge somebody tries to shine on your dark room of a brain.

hey, reality check...you do know this is the internet and not real life, right? i mean, you can't actually "drag" anybody in the internet or do anything more than come up with some creative ways to insult them.

In the time it took for you to post this impotent rant, you could have explained to me why usyk is beating AJ is such an accomplishment when fat, 5-11 andy ruiz accomplished the same thing in far more impressive fashion. I'm not joking....i actually WANT TO KNOW from a logical perspective. if your argument is "he moved up in weight" then that argument should hold for EVERY fighter who ever moved up a couple of weight divisions and beat a champ. i mean, michael moorer, michael spinks, holyfield, chris byrd etc, all accomplished the same feat. how many of them were considered PFP #1 because of it?

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Look, i'll say it again...for the last time. the cw div is and has been notoriously weak. it was weak when evander holyfield was champ. it was weak when yoan pablo hernandez was champ and when al cole was champ. it's always been a weak division.

allow me to illustrate: why are MOST of the top fighters at 135 -160 americans but the top lhw and cw fighters are eastern europeans? think about that question for a minute. where are the dominant ukrainians, russians, kazakhs at 140 and 147 and 154? THERE ARE NONE!!! there is a reason for that! the weakest divisions in boxing have always been the very small weight classes such as strawweight and fly weight and also the lhw-cw weight classes. first because there's just not that many tiny guys to fit into a straw weight division...but also because guys who could compete at lhw to cw are in OTHER SPORTS that are far more lucrative than boxing. that makes the cw division weak. in fact, it makes every division above mw and ESPECIALLY THE HW DIV WEAK.

that's not me saying this, there's been studies done.

https://punditarena.com/boxing/thepateam/heavyweight-boxing-decline-american-tradition/

You never responded to me. Weird. Answer my question. If the cruiserweight division was so weak when Usyk reigned there then how come the multi-million dollar World Boxing Super Series tournament was built around it? It's the only division to make an appearance in both Seasons I & II of the tournament. Logic tells us that if the division was as shallow and devoid of talent as you pretend then it wouldn't have been featured twice. I look forward to hearing your response.

 

[WklySportsMemes]

Instead of "PFP shake up" can we change the title of this thread to "PFP Crack Rock Cook up" or "PCP shake up?"

 

[Nova44]

You never responded to me. Weird. Answer my question. If the cruiserweight division was so weak when Usyk reigned there then how come the multi-million dollar World Boxing Super Series tournament was built around it? It's the only division to make an appearance in both Season I and Season II of the tournament. Logic tells us that if the division was as shallow and devoid of talent as you pretend then it wouldn't have been featured twice. I look forward to hearing your response.

But Tank! But Shakur! But Haney!

 

[WklySportsMemes]

hey, reality check...you do know this is the internet and not real life, right? i mean, you can't actually "drag" anybody in the internet or do anything more than come up with some creative ways to insult them.

In the time it took for you to post this impotent rant, you could have explained to me why usyk is beating AJ is such an accomplishment when fat, 5-11 andy ruiz accomplished the same thing in far more impressive fashion. I'm not joking....i actually WANT TO KNOW from a logical perspective. if your argument is "he moved up in weight" then that argument should hold for EVERY fighter who ever moved up a couple of weight divisions and beat a champ. i mean, michael moorer, michael spinks, holyfield, chris byrd etc, all accomplished the same feat. how many of them were considered PFP #1 because of it?

Nobody is explaining anything to a typing potato. Just going to continue dragging you & your logic . People tried reasoning with you and you just want to play "lowest IQ guy in the room pretends to be the smartest. " no thanks. You didn't read any of the valid points that answers your nonsensical questions.

 

[brundlefly]

As long as names like Joseph Parker are around it's highly questionable that Usyk is the best??? Are you fucking serious? Parker is absolute garbage. Now i know you don't watch much boxing.

I never once said the CW division was weak before Usyk got there, reading comprehension is hard right?

Barrios was the weakest champion, it's not my opinion, it's a stone cold fact. All 4 of the guys i listed were more credible opponents for Tank and that's why he didn't fight them. Taylor, Prograis, Zepeda and Ramirez were the best 4 in the division at that time, don't believe me? Ask anyone here, look on any ranking site prior to Barrios moving up to 147 and getting beatdown there too.

The Ring - Usyk > Crawford > Naoya
The Independent - Crawford > Usyk > Canelo
TBRB - Usyk > Naoya > Crawford
DAZN - Usyk > Crawford > Naoya
ESPN - Crawford > Naoya > Spence
Worldboxingnews - Usyk > Naoya > Canelo
SI - Crawford > Canelo > Usyk
Boxingsocial - Usyk > Crawford > Canelo
Badlefthook - Usyk > Naoya > Crawford

Tell me how "most have Crawford and Spence at #1 together? Go on, try dig yourself out of this hole.

Loma losing to Teo doesn't make Teo P4P king, wtf is that logic? Let's say you have Crawford at #1 and let's say Porter had beaten him, would that have made Porter #1 P4P? No it fucking wouldn't. Can't believe you don't understand how rankings work.

Shakur has only beaten Oscar Valdez... that's it, the eye test doesn't mean shit.

Your Canelo hatred is showing again so i don't even need to comment on that. Didn't you get banned last time for going off the rails when Canelo beat BJS? Yeah, you thought it was a fix didn't you hahaha.


Clown shoe.

"parker is garbage"
"don't believe me, ask anyone here"
"Barrios was the weakest, it's a stone cold fact"
quoting commercial boxing sites.
"your canelo hatred is showing"

For all these reasons and more, I'm not gonna respond to your moronic post.

 

[brundlefly]

Nobody is explaining anything to a typing potato. Just going to continue dragging you & your logic . People tried reasoning with you and you just want to play "lowest IQ guy in the room pretends to be the smartest. " no thanks. You didn't read any of the valid points that answers your nonsensical questions.

because you and those other posters don't actually have any valid arguments for the points you make. what you have is: "believe me because i said so and besides, everybody else is saying so, so who are you to not toe the line?" stupidness.

I'ma ask ONE LAST TIME. How does beating AJ, a guy who had already recentlty been KO'd by a fat 5-11 andy ruiz, (who by the way also lost to joseph parker and struggled with cristobal arreola), how does beating that AJ by close decision make any fighter top of the pfp listing? you mean because usyk was undisputed champ of the cw div? that must mean michael moorer was pfp#1 when he beat holyfield, right? i mean, moorer going from lhw to hw was a bigger jump than what usyk or even holyfield did. How about chris byrd. He started his career as a mw. but then he won the hw title....was he pfp the best fighter in the world when he beat vitaly and holy?

make some sense, fella.

 

[brundlefly]

You never responded to me. Weird. Answer my question. If the cruiserweight division was so weak when Usyk reigned there then how come the multi-million dollar World Boxing Super Series tournament was built around it? It's the only division to make an appearance in both Seasons I & II of the tournament. Logic tells us that if the division was as shallow and devoid of talent as you pretend then it wouldn't have been featured twice. I look forward to hearing your response.

i don't have time to respond to every dumbass, irrelevant point made by posters on here. if somebody makes a relatively coherent argument i will respond.

 

[brundlefly]

Instead of "PFP shake up" can we change the title of this thread to "PFP Crack Rock Cook up" or "PCP shake up?"

yeah, that was hilarious...you got EVERYBODY's nod of approval!... and a pat on the head, lol.

 

[Nova44]

"parker is garbage"
"don't believe me, ask anyone here"
"Barrios was the weakest, it's a stone cold fact"
quoting commercial boxing sites.
"your canelo hatred is showing"

For all these reasons and more, I'm not gonna respond to your moronic post.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

i don't have time to respond to every dumbass, irrelevant point made by posters on here. if somebody makes a relatively coherent argument i will respond.

The only thing you're not wrong about is the strong Eastern European presence at cruiserweight. There wasn't much diversity when Usyk campaigned there but that's true of many divisions. But the talent was still there. A company wouldn't invest tens of millions of dollars into the division through the WBSS tourney if there wasn't.

Nobody complains that the lightest weight classes are ruled mostly by Asian and/or Latino fighters. Do they? I can name several non-Eastern Euro fighters that were top guys at cruiser when Usyk was there. Dorticos was a top guy, still is, and he's Cuban. Tabiti was an American contender at the time. Bellew is a Brit and Usyk kayoed him in his last fight at cruiser. Makabu, an African, was rated at cruiser then along with Mchunu who Usyk already beat. Michael Hunter is an American fighter that Usyk beat along with Huck who is German. This is just right off the top of my head.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

because you and those other posters don't actually have any valid arguments for the points you make. what you have is: "believe me because i said so and besides, everybody else is saying so, so who are you to not toe the line?" stupidness.

I'ma ask ONE LAST TIME. How does beating AJ, a guy who had already recentlty been KO'd by a fat 5-11 andy ruiz, (who by the way also lost to joseph parker and struggled with cristobal arreola), how does beating that AJ by close decision make any fighter top of the pfp listing? you mean because usyk was undisputed champ of the cw div? that must mean michael moorer was pfp#1 when he beat holyfield, right? i mean, moorer going from lhw to hw was a bigger jump than what usyk or even holyfield did. How about chris byrd. He started his career as a mw. but then he won the hw title....was he pfp the best fighter in the world when he beat vitaly and holy?

make some sense, fella.

Clearly you didn't see Parker vs Ruiz. Most people thought Ruiz should've been given the nod in a close one. The majority of fans & media thought Ruiz edged him. Ruiz beat AJ but then was essentially shutout in the rematch. I'll remind you again that Lewis and Wlad were both stopped by lesser fighters than Ruiz in their careers. AJ had only ever lost once and immediately avenged it without a hitch.

Nobody has to justify Usyk as being a P4Per because the only one pretending otherwise is you. You're being biased and deliberately obtuse. The case for him as a top P4Per has already been laid out for you by myself and other posters in this thread. You've been educated on it. I'm still waiting for you to respond to my earlier counterpoints. All I hear are crickets on your end.