Pereira is already higher than Izzy in the "all time great" rankings

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Obviously neither is close to be the GOAT but Pereira is more accomplished than Izzy in MMA.

Lets look at the FACTS

- Pereira 6 wins over UFC champs > Izzy 3 wins over UFC champs (washed silva)
- Won the UFC LHW belt, beat Jan and Strickland, 2 things Izzy failed badly to do.
- Pereira 8 finishes > Izzy 5 finishes
- Won the UFC belt faster in the UFC than Izzy
- Pereira beat better competition: Jan, Hill, 2x Jiri, Rountree, Ank > Vettori, Romero, Costa, Whittaker and Cannonier
- Pereira is more loved and accepted by the fans
- Pereira is always a class act and truly humble
- Despite a compromised weight cut at MW he was able to win the belt and destroyed Izzy.

Yeah Izzy might have a better MW career but Pereira LHW runs is far better than Izzy.

Also Izzy might have 7 tittle wins but Pereira will tie him once he beats Ulberg and since Pereira would do it against better competition that would put him further above Izzy.

Thoughts?
 
He also did what everyone thought Khamzat was destined to do in record time. Smashed errybahdee, won a world title, won a 2nd title and succesfully defended it, and has been consistently active beyond what we typically see from defending champions.

He's him, as the cool kids would say
 
Mr.Maelstrom said:
He also did what everyone thought Khamzat was destined to do in record time. Smashed errybahdee, won a world title, won a 2nd title and succesfully defended it, and has been consistently active beyond what we typically see from defending champions.

He's him, as the cool kids would say
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He literally stole Khamzat's meal ticket and Khamzat is talking about "unfinished business" when Pereira is on his way to HW while Khamzat barely won the belt in a boring ass fashion.
 
Mammothman said:
Obviously neither is close to be the GOAT but Pereira is more accomplished than Izzy in MMA.

Lets look at the FACTS

- Pereira 6 wins over UFC champs > Izzy 3 wins over UFC champs (washed silva)
- Won the UFC LHW belt, beat Jan and Strickland, 2 things Izzy failed badly to do.
- Pereira 8 finishes > Izzy 5 finishes
- Pereira beat better competition: Jan, Hill, 2x Jiri, Rountree, Ank > Vettori, Romero, Costa, Whittaker and Cannonier
- Pereira is more loved and accepted by the fans
- Pereira is always a class act and truly humble
- Despite a compromised weight cut at MW he was able to win the belt and destroyed Izzy.

Yeah Izzy might have a better MW career but Pereira LHW runs is far better than Izzy.

Also Izzy might have 7 tittle wins but Pereira will tie him once he beats Ulberg and since Pereira would do it against better competition that would put him further above Izzy.

Thoughts?
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- Won the UFC belt faster in the UFC than Izzy*
This is 100% because of Izzy. Alex only made his way in the UFC because he had kickboxing history with him

- Despite a compromised weight cut at MW he was able to win the belt and destroyed Izzy.*
Destroyed? Standing TKO for a win is destroyed? How did that rematch go? compromised weight cut? How about had to cut weight to fight smaller guys? How about Despite the massive size discrepancy Izzy KO'd him dead cold.

- Pereira is always a class act and truly humble*
Is he really? Pretty classless to do the
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Maybe it was spur of the moment against Hill but he did it again against Ank.
He also discredited Ank saying he was 40% rather than say he was the better man that night in the first fight.

Your "Facts" are mostly spun for your opinion.
Izzy > Alex at MW
Alex is behind a lot of guys IMO as a LHW. Jones, Chuck, Randy, Shogun are all higher on the LHW GOAT list. He has only fought 1 guy at LHW that isn't a perfect style match up and he is 1-1 against him. Throw in a SD over Jan in a 3 rounder. If Alex were to fight LHWs with good wresting would he be where he is??? He is fortunate there basically aren't any.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
- Won the UFC belt faster in the UFC than Izzy*
This is 100% because of Izzy. Alex only made his way in the UFC because he had kickboxing history with him

- Despite a compromised weight cut at MW he was able to win the belt and destroyed Izzy.*
Destroyed? Standing TKO for a win is destroyed? How did that rematch go? compromised weight cut? How about had to cut weight to fight smaller guys? How about Despite the massive size discrepancy Izzy KO'd him dead cold.

- Pereira is always a class act and truly humble*
Is he really? Pretty classless to do the
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Maybe it was spur of the moment against Hill but he did it again against Ank.
He also discredited Ank saying he was 40% rather than say he was the better man that night in the first fight.

Your "Facts" are mostly spun for your opinion.
Izzy > Alex at MW
Alex is behind a lot of guys IMO as a LHW. Jones, Chuck, Randy, Shogun are all higher on the LHW GOAT list. He has only fought 1 guy at LHW that isn't a perfect style match up and he is 1-1 against him. Throw in a SD over Jan in a 3 rounder. If Alex were to fight LHWs with good wresting would he be where he is??? He is fortunate there basically aren't any.
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Terrible take. Alex is an ATG
 
Xanzito said:
I don't think it's perfectly acceptable to say he has already a top 10 LHW carreer.
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He's definitely accomplishing incredible feats, even if not in the "all time, divisional dominance" sense.

AP is more of a contract killer/big bounty hunter than a potential GOAT in the conventional sense.
But his list of scalps and accolades in the time frame he's done it, coupled with how he's done it is exceptional and it deserves the praise it receives.
 
You could make the argument either way. Both are all time greats. Izzy absolutely helped fast track Alex to the resume he has now so really its hard to say Alex has clearly had a better career. Idk. Both are hugely impressive. Izzy also fought less champions because he cleaned out a division filled with killers and prevented some championship caliber fighters from touching gold.
 
It will depend on how he finishes his career.

Anyway, he should 100% avoid signing a new contract with multiple UFC fights. Look what happened to Anderson Silva.
 
It's probably pretty close. Izzy was 13-2 in the UFC when he lost the belt with his losses being at LHW and the loss to Alex that he avenged right after. Alex is 10-2 and is 1-1 with both guys he lost to.

The "beat ___ champs" isn't that useful since Izzy himself was champ for a long run so the MW title didn't change hands enough for there to be that many different champs.
 
Mr.Maelstrom said:
He also did what everyone thought Khamzat was destined to do in record time. Smashed errybahdee, won a world title, won a 2nd title and succesfully defended it, and has been consistently active beyond what we typically see from defending champions.

He's him, as the cool kids would say
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Alex actually SMASHES not dry hump which is way more badass.
 
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