People in prison could've been great warriors

[Fedorgasm]

Ghengis Khan, for instance, probably had tons of violent murderous bastards under his command. He would point them at a village and they'd get to kill/loot/rape all they wanted. And when it was done, they'd get a high five from their leader.

Nowadays, there are men born with those same urges, so they join gangs and they can go to war with other gangs, or just victimize innocent people. And they get sent to prison when caught.

I'm not saying it's ok to be a murdering bastard, and of course war is terrible, but I kinda feel bad for them. Because they're born with this violent nature, which may very well be biological, and there used to be a place in this world for them. They used to have a purpose, and now they don't.

 

[Fedorgasm]

And before anyone says they can join the military...

I don't think that works for them. It's become too civilized. Most people in the military never see combat and if they do, it's all so far away. Dropping bombs, sending drones, shooting bullets.

Truly violent murderous bastards probably want to get up close and personal. They want to use spears and swords. And they want to be able to loot and rape too, which modern military doesn't allow.

 

[AFanNotAFighter]

Some get forced into the gang life though. They and their loved ones are threatened with harm if they don't join.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Some get forced into the gang life though. They and their loved ones are threatened with harm if they don't join.

Yeah I'm not talking about those guys. I'm really referring to guys that were just born violent. The ones that want to hurt others.

 

[toasty]

Hmmm if only there was a legal sport you could punch kick and choke people in and get paid for these types

 

[Pittie Petey]

Maybe this new administration will right that wrong

 

[helax]

Reminds me of the lyrics

 

[shunyata]

Alot of the guys in modern prisons would not work well in a military.

Following orders is more important than having a "violent nature".

Outside of people who were screwed over by a bad justice system, most people in prison are there because they couldn't / didn't follow orders and codes of behavior.

Russia has conscripted convicts into the military multiple times in the last century and for the most part it's been a miserable failure.

They are warm bodies to throw into the meat grinder, but they rarely make good soldiers.

Then there's the cultural aspects that come out of that, prisoners who refuse to fight for the government look at those who agree to it as bitches who should be put down.

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Personally, upon being identified as a violent murderous bastard, I think they should have their head promptly taken off.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Hmmm if only there was a legal sport you could punch kick and choke people in and get paid for these types

But a cage fighter doesn't get to steal his opponents women after he wins. Sylvia/Arlovski being the exception.

 

[Cole train]

Not really, criminals on average make bad soldiers from what i remember in army

Weirdly athletes did as well in my experience including combat sport ones

 

[Osculater]

Hahaha prisoners making good soldiers

 

[TheNinja]

Murderers are typically cowards. They don't make good warriors.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

 

[GSP_37]

I had some co-workers who would have been great to sabotage the enemy by working for them.

 

[zapataxiv]

Not really, criminals on average make bad soldiers from what i remember in army

Weirdly athletes did as well in my experience including combat sport ones

maybe i am reading to far into his post but it probably triggered my tism in some way.
but i took it more like a version of the old argument of some dudes having a hard time in the modern world because they were born too late to discover new places etc...
so in theory they wouldnt be criminals because they would ahve been raides in an environment that would have rewarded them for being violent.

its interestign to think about. Going off of Ghengis there are some parallels. he cracked the whip and managed to unite the steppe peoples partly because of a harsh rule of law that he imposed on mongols that was pitiless.
not unlike prison gangs and their codes of conduct.

where i diverge from TS is where he says it is genetic for some people. i fall more into the nurture side as it has been a part of the nomad/barbarian/viking culture for forever. as sson as they started to live in a more settled lifestyle they were seen as losing their edge to be heartless killers.

so i dont see a cross comparison to criminals and nomads or barbarians

criminals are criminals and they are also people so they will have some redeeming quality but i dont think there is much to the idea that if this were a bygone world they would have been heros

 

[Jesus X]

Some get forced into the gang life though. They and their loved ones are threatened with harm if they don't join.

Not every gangster has heart some are just cowards with guns and bad fighting skills. Prison eliminates the wimpy gangsters and just leaves the savages to be alphas or the intelligent to be sigmas then you have the betas at the bottom.

 

[JackWhite]

What about.....a booty warrior?

 

[Cole train]

maybe i am reading to far into his post but it probably triggered my tism in some way.
but i took it more like a version of the old argument of some dudes having a hard time in the modern world because they were born too late to discover new places etc...
so in theory they wouldnt be criminals because they would ahve been raides in an environment that would have rewarded them for being violent.

its interestign to think about. Going off of Ghengis there are some parallels. he cracked the whip and managed to unite the steppe peoples partly because of a harsh rule of law that he imposed on mongols that was pitiless.
not unlike prison gangs and their codes of conduct.

where i diverge from TS is where he says it is genetic for some people. i fall more into the nurture side as it has been a part of the nomad/barbarian/viking culture for forever. as sson as they started to live in a more settled lifestyle they were seen as losing their edge to be heartless killers.

so i dont see a cross comparison to criminals and nomads or barbarians

criminals are criminals and they are also people so they will have some redeeming quality but i dont think there is much to the idea that if this were a bygone world they would have been heros

Im aware of the born in wrong era stuff and i think its true in some regard but not with criminals generally speaking.I literally knew 2 ex gang members who love to use wrong era thing as excuse to their own lack of success.

While real reason was being lazy and making dumb decisions while not being trustworthy, qualities that would get you killed on steppe really

You had to work hard back then and not just raid and average criminal is lazy as hell and dumb as fuck

God how autistic this discussion is lol

 

[650lb Sumo]

Yeah in addition to what people have said above, I remember hearing about studies of psychopaths' performance in the military. Maybe done in WW2? And they were more trouble than they were worth, they would disobey orders, loot, rape, steal (from their own side), not cooperate properly with people in their team etc. Psychopaths and prisoners of course aren't a 1:1 match, but there's a significant overlap, especially if you're talking about serious gang criminals.