Paris Terrorist Salah Abdeslam learned Islam on the internet (Lawyer)

I think most people blame the ideology.

most rational people do
but the left like Merkel and Obama don't and unfortunately they are leaders of "free" countries

They are not religious, that's the thing.

Why his former lawyer would be lying? These new "jihadists" like Abdeslam were all little crimals involved in drug traffic, robbing etc.

They are not religious. They've been indoctrinated and don't know shit about religion.

Proof???
Jihad is very much a teaching of islam.

Here, you know what, I will post my proof of the call for jihad coming from Muhammed himself. You post whatever shit you want to counter it

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.




Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).


This was just a small taste.
 
They are not religious, that's the thing.

Why his former lawyer would be lying? These new "jihadists" like Abdeslam were all little crimals involved in drug traffic, robbing etc.

They are not religious. They've been indoctrinated and don't know shit about religion.
So is Islam to blame or nah?
 
most rational people do
but the left like Merkel and Obama don't and unfortunately they are leaders of "free" countries



Proof???
Jihad is very much a teaching of islam.

Here, you know what, I will post my proof of the call for jihad coming from Muhammed himself. You post whatever shit you want to counter it

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.




Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).


This was just a small taste.
Obama campaigned first time through on killing UBL if he got the chance.
He got the chance and UBL is dead dead dead
 
They are not religious, that's the thing.

Why his former lawyer would be lying? These new "jihadists" like Abdeslam were all little crimals involved in drug traffic, robbing etc.

They are not religious. They've been indoctrinated and don't know shit about religion.

So when they way "Allahu akbar" and "we have avenged the prophet!" before committing terrorist acts, what are they talking about? Perhaps a few of them are simply misguided, but it is well known that many jihadists are well-educated, and also clearly well-versed in the Koran.
 
It takes a special kind of sick bastard to want to hurt people on a mass scale. The Internet doesn't force you to do anything, it's just information and porn.

More like porn, porn, porn and some information

I've seen reports that show re-vert or converts or at higher risk (though still small) to become jihadists compared to Muslims who have gone through traditional teaching growing up.

The re-verts want to redemption. They are losers and want a sense of belonging. They may be in Europe and don't feel European and have a sense of identity crisis. Joining an extremist group they get a purpose and sense of belonging.

They go on the internet and subscribe to a literalist interpretation of Islamic texts and form bonds with others. They say their parents and those around them are not following the texts accurately or purely. They are following the real Islam.

Then they want to show how committed they are and how serious they are about protecting their people.
 
Obama campaigned first time through on killing UBL if he got the chance.
He got the chance and UBL is dead dead dead

That has nothing to do with denouncing the ideology he, and the millions like him follow to justify their violence.
 
So is Islam to blame or nah?
Yes.

Is Islam the only thing that bears blame? No. Is religiosity inherently correlated with the risk of radicalization? Maybe not, maybe the relationship is more complex.

My pet theory is that the members of the Muslim community that are most at risk are the delinquents who weren't raised in a way that lends them to integration within their Western context but are also disconnected from their indigenous community to some extent. Being in that in between space might make membership in a radical organization of some sort more attractive in way that they might not be if you are well integrated in your host country or well connected and embedded in your native community.
 
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"For simple minds, internet is perfect. The Net is the maximum they can understand."
Whereas: "For SOPHISTICATED minds, it takes the Qu'ran to TRULY understand how to enact Jihad, subjugate women, etc."

Righty-o.
 
I believe him.....honest
 
Statement from his former Belgian lawyer Sver Mary:

On the report of his client with religion , he emphasized his ignorance : "He and his friend managed to make this religion look bad.
What a load of shit. The Quran and Muhammed's behavior make the religion look bad.
 
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