Relationships Parents would you do this with your kids?

Man, my older cousins would just throw my ass in the river. Never had a pool.
 
On the Rez,

This happens every year during irrigation season within the ditches.

They learn.

We Natives die of cirrhosis not drowning..

Wait…wut?

SAD
 
ChosenOne said:
i don't know if it is the 'snowflake' way because there is another outcome that is possible which is the kid becomes so frightened they develop a phobia that then does not allow them swim ever. That may not happen a lot but, when it does, that is a failure compared to teaching them to swim and float without trauma, which can be done at any age.

For instance there is no reason a parent/instructor could not be in that pool, with that child from that video, holding the kid while putting him to float on his back. You keep repeating that until the kid no longer needs the parents/instructors hands. Once the child can float with no help, you then teach them how to hold their breath under water. In our volunteer group we would blow on the child's nose, they would stop breathing and then you go under the water with them. First time is instant in and out and then you lengthen the time over many other dips.

ONce you have a child who learns to hold their breath under water and can float on its back you can drop them or leave them in the pool and they will do it naturally. You will see the kid bobbing around and then flip to their back as they have fun in the water.
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The problem with judging a 2 minute "would you do this to your kid" clip like the OP is that we know nothing about this kid's background, his personality, how much water confidence training he's done or indeed what kind of relationship he has with the woman in the video. Maybe he's had 2 years of pool instruction, has floated many times in another pool, has a great relationship with his mom and is only upset because his favorite youtube channel got cancelled.

I didn't take this approach with my kids but I can see some scenarios where it might have made sense for this kid. There's no right answer for everyone and no parenting is perfect. Barring actual child abuse (which IMO is not evident in the vid), parents have to make their own judgement calls.
 
Why not? Worked with my Labradores when they were puppies. Introduction to the pool was, just pick em up and chuck em in.
 
Back in soviet union they used to throw your ass into a river as a kid and tell you to swim

Worked as a charm
 
Get To Da Choppa said:
That's weak sauce. Dropping him gently into the pool? Should've done it the Spartan way

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Or, the John Wayne way...

 
I have a pool and I have a 2 year old. If I forget to lock the back door to the house she needs to be able to survive. If she is outside and just falls in she needs to know what to do. It's a rough watch but it's necessary
 
Seems pretty tame compared to the time I was in middle school and my Dad gave me money and a coupon to go into the drugstore to buy my mother tampons.
 
ChickenBrother said:
The problem with judging a 2 minute "would you do this to your kid" clip like the OP is that we know nothing about this kid's background, his personality, how much water confidence training he's done or indeed what kind of relationship he has with the woman in the video. Maybe he's had 2 years of pool instruction, has floated many times in another pool, has a great relationship with his mom and is only upset because his favorite youtube channel got cancelled.

I didn't take this approach with my kids but I can see some scenarios where it might have made sense for this kid. There's no right answer for everyone and no parenting is perfect. Barring actual child abuse (which IMO is not evident in the vid), parents have to make their own judgement calls.
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i agree with your position in general.

However in this specific spot i can not only not imagine a scenario where what we see makes sense, but you also cannot even make up ones that do either, as it is very hard to even imagine any where it makes sense.

the 'youtube channel got cancelled' is about as good as i can do as well.


I just would not push the child in while the child was showing distress and it is not at all necessary outside a view of 'what does not kill them makes them strong' type approach.

Parents do get to make their own judgement calls but others also can and should judge them as some parents are idiots.

For instance i still see parents doing this with their kids despite all the deaths caused by it.

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Why? Because we have done it lots of time before and no one died YET.
 
Nice of current gen moms to prep for their kid inadvertently drowning cutting into their facebook time. Since they can't be bothered to keep an eye on the little bastards, I guess this is a descent backup plan that buys some time.
 
Simple Southerner said:


I wouldn't i mean damn there's gotta be better ways to teach your kids to swim right ?!
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It’s called Infant Swim Rescue. My son went through it. It’s amazing tbh. The final day the go in with full winter gear and get themselves out.
 
ChosenOne said:
i agree with your position in general.

However in this specific spot i can not only not imagine a scenario where what we see makes sense, but you also cannot even make up ones that do either, as it is very hard to even imagine any where it makes sense.

the 'youtube channel got cancelled' is about as good as i can do as well.


I just would not push the child in while the child was showing distress and it is not at all necessary outside a view of 'what does not kill them makes them strong' type approach.

Parents do get to make their own judgement calls but others also can and should judge them as some parents are idiots.

For instance i still see parents doing this with their kids despite all the deaths caused by it.

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Why? Because we have done it lots of time before and no one died YET.
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I have to ask: do you have kids? It's not meant as an insult but I'd like to understand where you're coming from. I used to be more judgmental of others' parenting until I had kids and I can tell you that they have had meltdowns over far less than losing access to a youtube channel. No one enjoys being the bad cop but there are times in parenting when it's unavoidable because young kids are sometimes irrational.
 
ChickenBrother said:
I have to ask: do you have kids? It's not meant as an insult but I'd like to understand where you're coming from. I used to be more judgmental of others' parenting until I had kids and I can tell you that they have had meltdowns over far less than losing access to a youtube channel. No one enjoys being the bad cop but there are times in parenting when it's unavoidable because young kids are sometimes irrational.
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Grown kids.

And i do not see being judgemental of decisions that put kids at risk as wrong.

I have a friend lose a child when another parent took very big risks with the kids no one should take. You can say all you want 'do not judge... let them do it' but i think that is wrong.. You do not. You say kids are irrational so just let them do it, as if that is a virtue, and it is not.

I am not someone afraid of risk. I have done every risky activity most people will not (sky dive, bungee jump, rock climb, white water raft, etc ,etc) but that does not mean we do not consider and judge the activity first. As parents that is our duty. Or so i believe anyway.
 
ChosenOne said:
Grown kids.

And i do not see being judgemental of decisions that put kids at risk as wrong.

I have a friend lose a child when another parent took very big risks with the kids no one should take. You can say all you want 'do not judge... let them do it' but i think that is wrong.. You do not. You say kids are irrational so just let them do it, as if that is a virtue, and it is not.

I am not someone afraid of risk. I have done every risky activity most people will not (sky dive, bungee jump, rock climb, white water raft, etc ,etc) but that does not mean we do not consider and judge the activity first. As parents that is our duty. Or so i believe anyway.
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Sorry your friend had to go through that. Clearly you’re projecting some personal context onto the kid in the OP that may or not apply. I’m not judging you for it but I’m not going to argue with anyone online over something as personal as how to raise their own kids.
 
I have a mix of feelings. On one hand, I think it's better that a kid gets scared and is crying than him drowning. On another, there has to be a better way to do this without traumatizing the little guy. Yet on another, people have gotten soft real quick when I think about how my dad used to literally beat the shit out of me when teaching me stuff. And on another, I find the image of a baby getting dunked in the water to be hilarious.
 
ChickenBrother said:
Sorry your friend had to go through that. Clearly you’re projecting some personal context onto the kid in the OP that may or not apply. I’m not judging you for it but I’m not going to argue with anyone online over something as personal as how to raise their own kids.
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No i am not clearly projecting anything. You are wrong on that as i had that approach before the accident happened.

And that is fine. You are the one who took issue with my POV, so that is why we are discussing.

You see the parent driving the speed boat with the kid on the kite raft, and your view is we are not judge even as we know multiple deaths happen from that activity if that raft just catches the wind wrong.

it is fine you think you cannot judge and thus if they want to take your kid out next you have no say. You are entitled to that view and to accept that risk for your minor child. We simply will never agree.
 
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