Paddy vs Gordon was not some terrible robbery..

[sdpdude9]

I do not understand this thought process. "Hey, I'm pretty sure one person will disagree with me!"

I always laugh when people say this. It’s a misunderstanding of what split decision means. They think it just means it’s a close fight. They don’t realize what they’re actually saying is they scored it 3 times and disagreed with themselves once which is obviously nonsense.

 

[rjmbrd]

Watched it again yesterday. Close fight and people are being ridiculous calling this a huge robbery. Personally I scored it for Gordon 29-28 but this wouldn't remotely be a top 20 controversial decision to me. Paddy is brash and over saturated in the media so this has gotten exaggerated by all parties.

Round 1: Close round leans towards Gordon, the looping left connected a few times. Counter point is Paddy landed hard clean switch kick and many leg kicks. Neither guy gets remotely hurt. This boils down to if you score how clean/hard Gordon's lefts landed compared with the kicks of Paddy.

Round 2: Close round leans towards Paddy. Out of the gate Paddy lands leg and body kicks and is busy. Some failed grappling from Gordon. The rest was virtually tit for tat, but early round was Paddy. Reasonable people would say this is likely 1-1, but both rounds are marginal 10-9 and nobody got hurt.

Round 3: Absolute stinker of stalling by Gordon, scoring nothing. Paddy finally gets a moment to threaten with a back mount, the only meaningful position of the round. You are a jackass if you have strong feelings on who won this round, its stalling vs a short period of dominant position. I honestly don't care who you scored it for.


So you have a fight with 3 rounds that consisted of no one getting dropped, wobbled or even stunned. They each had marginal 10-9 round and a third round where virtually nothing happened.

I can see an argument where either guy gets their hand raised, and would score it 29-28 for Gordon if it were up to me, but 'who cares' it was that close.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Off the top of my head/without reviewing the fights or stats I thought Gordon won it 2-1. The total and sig strikes were about equal, and Gordon had 3 TDs to Paddy´s 0, and Gordon controlled Paddy WAY more than vice versa. I don´t think it´s an epic robbery or anything, but let's be real: if two fighters' stats for a fight are equal, but one has 3 takedowns to the other's 0 as well as infinite more control time. . . I mean, c'mon.

P.S. For those who didn´t watch Paddy get nullified and ground-out by BOTH Bak and Narimani in Cage Warriors, this was an eye-opener/reality-check at to his skill level.

 

[STRAWBOSS]

Also Paddy's stupid mop of hair was a factor in Gordon's shots looking more effective. Everytime Gordon grazed or touch paddy , Paddy's giant mop of blonde hair would flail from any impact making the punch look more dramatic.

while I did find Gordon’s punches to be objectively more dramatic, this insight cannot be denied and I actually chuckled reading it. Good point.

 

[mahavishnunj]

I just rewatched Pimblett vs Gordon and it was a lot closer than people make it out to be. Gordon was pretty much only effective on wall n stall in the third round.

Gordon landed harder shots to me, but it didn't affect Paddy at all. I think Gordon won, but it was obviously not a crazy robbery.

 

[Staph infection]

Paddy does not show any signs of improving with each fight. What is he training where he has potentially already hit his ceiling of skill and ability at only like 4 fights into his UFC career. He is an entertaining little man to watch chat though.

 

[fightfan70]

paddy won a snoozer. end of debate

 

[Joshuaace]

Off the top of my head/without reviewing the fights or stats I thought Gordon won it 3-2 or 4-1. The total and sig strikes were about equal, and Gordon had 3 TDs to Paddy´s 0, and Gordon controlled Paddy WAY more than vice versa. I don´t think it´s an epic robbery or anything, but let's be real: if two fighters' stats for a fight are equal, but one has 3 takedowns to the other's 0 as well as infinite more control time. . . I mean, c'mon.

P.S. For those who didn´t watch Paddy get nullified and ground-out by BOTH Bak and Narimani in Cage Warriors, this was an eye-opener/reality-check at to his skill level.

It was a 3 round fight.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

It was a 3 round fight.

LOL too much puffing of the ol pipe I´m afraid! Will edit!

 

[315MMAFighter]

TS is cray, Gordon whooped on Paddy the burger patty that entire fight imo. Unfortunately for Paddy fans they're taking this fight not too good

 

[DebtCollectorMMA]

Close fight, the guy with hype got the nod
BREAKING

 

[Joshuaace]

Here’s part of the criteria that people leave out when pretending control means nothing. Impact, Dominance, and Duration are what the judges are looking at per the official criteria,

Impact, dominance, and duration are the equation for scoring 10-8 rounds. But I agree that those are fair guidelines for determining effectiveness also.

here’s what it says under impact.

“When a fighter is impacted with strikes, by lack of control and/or ability, this can create defining moments in the round and shall be assessed with great value.”

Right there, says lack of control is meaningful.

Not sure if you are trying to intentionally misrepresent the Unified Rules of MMA or if you misinterpreted them yourself. The underlined sentence above has absolutely ZERO to do with Octagon Control Time being a meaningful stand alone metric. It's an example of effective striking causing the person being struck to lose control and or ability, E.g. The Chicken Dance.

Under duration it says this…
“Duration is defined by the time spent by one fighter effectively attacking, controlling and impacting their opponent; while the opponent offers little to no offensive output.”

Gordon controlled him 4/5 minutes and Paddy offered little to no output.

Control does have meaning and it’s defined in the rules. It is not assessed highly, but it is not meaningless.

And under the "prioritized criteria" section.

Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact.” It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown.

And under the "Dominance" section of the UR of MMA.

Dominance in the grappling phase can be seen by fighters taking dominant positions in the fight and utilizing those positions to attempt fight ending submissions or attacks. Merely holding a dominant position(s) shall not be a primary factor in assessing dominance. What the fighter does with those positions is what must be assessed.

Effective grappling is dominant grappling to a lesser degree or shorter duration. Did you consider any of Gordon's hugging to have fight ending potential? I did not.


Without any sub attempts, back takes, or other superior positions that lead to 1 way striking; that 4 minutes of control time doesn't fit the criteria for effective grappling, it looks like an effective way to stall though.

What I saw, at least in rd 3, was Gordon locking his hands around Paddy w/o genuinely attempting to advance towards a finish. Instead of trying to keep it out of the hands of the Judges, he prioritized putting it in the hands of the Judges. I would have taken points from him in that round if that were allowed.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

I think paddy won subjectively, but he took a lot of damage per usual. You absolutely can’t leave it in the hands of the judges or stakeholders

 

[SkinnyClaw]

I can't for the life of me comprehend how Paddy supposedly landed more significant strikes than Gordon. Granted I only saw the fight once (LIVE), but from what I can recall most of his shots were actually blocked. Meanwhile, Gordon was landing on him often and effectively

What do you mean by 'effectively' though, because even the commentary was pointing out how the shots didn't seem to have any effect on Paddy. If he's landing all these clean shots, and Paddy doesn't have a scratch on him and is never rocked, how effective is he really.

 

[Neveranine]

Good my man. If you are Happy convicing yourself then be Happy bro, paddy won. The people that says that he landed more strikes and more powerful... You know paddy is not the bald-bearded dude right?

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Impact, dominance, and duration are the equation for scoring 10-8 rounds. But I agree that those are fair guidelines for determining effectiveness also.




Not sure if you are trying to intentionally misrepresent the Unified Rules of MMA or if you misinterpreted them yourself. The underlined sentence above has absolutely ZERO to do with Octagon Control Time being a meaningful stand alone metric. It's an example of effective striking causing the person being struck to lose control and or ability, E.g. The Chicken Dance.







And under the "prioritized criteria" section.

Successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match, with the IMMEDIATE weighing more heavily than the cumulative impact.” It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown.

And under the "Dominance" section of the UR of MMA.

Dominance in the grappling phase can be seen by fighters taking dominant positions in the fight and utilizing those positions to attempt fight ending submissions or attacks. Merely holding a dominant position(s) shall not be a primary factor in assessing dominance. What the fighter does with those positions is what must be assessed.

Effective grappling is dominant grappling to a lesser degree or shorter duration. Did you consider any of Gordon's hugging to have fight ending potential? I did not.


Without any sub attempts, back takes, or other superior positions that lead to 1 way striking; that 4 minutes of control time doesn't fit the criteria for effective grappling, it looks like an effective way to stall though.

What I saw, at least in rd 3, was Gordon locking his hands around Paddy w/o genuinely attempting to advance towards a finish. Instead of trying to keep it out of the hands of the Judges, he prioritized putting it in the hands of the Judges. I would have taken points from him in that round if that were allowed.

Unfortunately (for us fans), hugging and grinding someone against the cage is imposing your will on them much more than it´s them imposing their will on the grinder. It ain´t fun or pretty, but it´s one person completely immobilizing the other. If Paddy was way up on strikes, or TDs, or had otherwise injured Gordon or put him in sub danger, then it wouldn´t matter. But equal striking + more TDs (vs 0), + more control time, however boring, does make a case.

 

[kalabula]

Win or lose the fight sucked. Whoever got the decision doesn't matter as Paddy was exposed as someone nowhere near the top of the division.

I’m not sure who he was exposed too, though. Didn’t we all know that prior to his last fight?

 

[rstringer]

That's just not what clean means traditionally. A clean strike is a strike that lands without getting blocked and doesn't just graze the opponent. If a fighter has his hands low and takes a punch straight to the chin, that's a clean hit.

Fair enough but clean then doesn't necessarily mean damage , right ?

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Fair enough but clean then doesn't necessarily mean damage , right ?

Right.
Still a strike that hits the head covered with a guard will usually inflict less damage than a strike absorbed without a guard.
If two fighters had the exact same power in their strikes, the one who has his hands up to protect himself will take less damage.
Of course fighters will never have the exact same power. But when the statistics are very even and no one got visibly hurt bad in a round, there should be a tendency to score against the fighter that got hit without a guard or caught clean, so to speak.

 

[rstringer]

Agreed , however if the clean strike does not do any visible damage to the opponent , I don't think that we can automatically rate it higher than a leg kick, which can do some major damage.