Paddy vs Gordon was not some terrible robbery..

[genecop]

Not reading all that shit…

 

[rstringer]

Gordon blocked 99% of Paddy's telegraphed weak punches.

Untrue and kicks count as well btw.

 

[rstringer]

I don't really get the argument. You're assuming people had Gordon winning because they score octagon control and wall and stall eventhough that shouldn't score?
I think most people here are aware that damage > everything else. That doesn't matter though, because Paddy didn't land anything in round 3 at all. That one has to go to Gordon more than any other. Regardless of cage control. There's no way that Paddy did more damage in that round than Gordon.
The other rounds are more arguable, but going just by output, they were nearly equal. There's no definite way to measure damage. Imo the best way is to go by reaction, plus of course considering where the strikes land.
Gordon hit Paddy flush with several left hooks when he was coming in, right on the chin. As clean as you can land, and it clearly forced Paddy to retreat several times. Paddy on the other hand landed his swinging hooks almost exclusively on Gordon's guard and rarely forced him to take a step back. In a way that is Octagon control, but of course that is just considering it for scoring damage.

I don't really see how the first 2 could've been scored for Paddy either tbh.

Not as clean as you can land since Paddy didn't get knocked out, wobbled , bruised or timid. So minimal damage.

 

[Hdfi]

Look at their faces, Gordon took more damage.

Spoiler

Paddy landed more strikes and did more damage.
https://fightmetric.rds.ca/fight/10212

 

[mjfan23]

I rewatched it and still looked like a horrible decision

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

Theres no legitimate reason to score the third round in favor of Paddy. Neither fighter inflicted visible or meaningful damage to their opponent in the third round through effective striking or grappling. Gordon did however control Paddy for nearly the entire round; therefore he wins it.

I didn't find the second round all that close. Paddy was visibly marking up the face of Gordon with his strikes, pushing the pace, and landed the hardest shot of the entire round to close it out. It was a clear Paddy round imo but close enough that I wouldn't fault anyone who scored it for Gordon.

The first round was very close as they were pretty much going strike for strike. Rogan and the commentary team were exaggerating the impact of Gordon's left hook, which only landed flush one time, though it did land glancingly a few times. Paddy landed harder strikes more consistently imo and was pushing the pace for nearly the entire round. Gordon landed the hardest strike of the round but was backing up and mostly waiting for opportunities to counter. Paddy narrowly edged out the first round imo. I dont fault anyone who scored it in favor of Gordon as it was a legitimately close round.

Scoring the first 2 rounds for Paddy is perfectly reasonable imo. Scoring the 3rd round for Paddy is not. Anyone arguing he deserved to win the third round, a round in which he did absolutely no damage and was controlled for 4 minutes, doesn't understand the scoring criteria plain and simple.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

People are conflating that amount of robbery with how beat up someone is, instead of how mathematically impossible it should have been for the clear winner of several rounds to still lose them, because rounds are how fights are scored.

For instance, if you gave Yan not only round 1, but also rounds 2 and 3 on the basis that there was an overall lack of damage, "the most important criteria," then you're making your argument 'correctly' on that basis, but everyone would still correctly look at you like you're fucking insane.

Paddy didn't get destroyed. He just obviously lost. The first part isn't what makes this a robbery. It's the second part.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Was a split decision, imo.

I mean, it was. Which is why out of the 30 MMA media members that scored the fight none gave it to Paddy.

I find it funny people keep bringing this up for this fight, but ignore it and say the media doesn’t know shit when it comes to the GSP/Hendricks robbery.

I posted this in another thread, but I'll bring it up here. MMAdecisions, at the end of every year since 2013, post their most disputed decisions. They take the percent of media scores, and the percent of fan scores, then average those, and list them for each year. For instance, 0% of media scored Sanchez over Gomi and only 10% of fans scored for Sanchez, so that gets a 5%. (Or in the case of GSP/Hendricks, it's 0% media and like 43% of fans, so 21.5%

4% of media scored for Paddy and 8% of fans. So that gives this fight an average of 6%. In each year of MMAdecisions scoring, which includes UFC, Bellator, WSOF/PFL, Strikeforce, Invicta, WEC, CageWarriors, KSW, ShoMMA, and just countless others, this fight would have been in the top robberies at:

• #2 in 2021
• #2 in 2020
• #3 in 2019
• #1 in 2018
• #2 in 2017
• #3 in 2016
• #3 in 2015
• #2 in 2014
• #2 in 2013

So yeah, it's kind of a bit off, no?

 

[Deleted member 359865]

It’s not like Gordon beat him pillar to post or anything, but he did do enough to win the fight imo.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

You’re right it’s amoung the worst of the worst

 

[markys00]

Was a split decision, imo.

Hope ur joking

 

[markys00]

It wasn't the worst, but still pretty bad

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

30-27 gordon

anything else is pity points

 

[sdpdude9]

Here’s part of the criteria that people leave out when pretending control means nothing. Impact, Dominance, and Duration are what the judges are looking at per the official criteria, here’s what it says under impact.

“When a fighter is impacted with strikes, by lack of control and/or ability, this can create defining moments in the round and shall be assessed with great value.”

Right there, says lack of control is meaningful. Under duration it says this…

“Duration is defined by the time spent by one fighter effectively attacking, controlling and impacting their opponent; while the opponent offers little to no offensive output.”

Gordon controlled him 4/5 minutes and Paddy offered little to no output.

Control does have meaning and it’s defined in the rules. It is not assessed highly, but it is not meaningless.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Look at their faces, Gordon took more damage.

Spoiler

Paddy landed more strikes and did more damage.

It's absolute nonsense to measure the dealt damage by the look of a fighters face. Both fighters landed strikes to body and legs as well.
Paddy's right side of the face looks pretty bad tbh (left on the pics). But you'll never get a cut on your cheek. If Gordon's nose wasn't bloody, they'd both look pretty unharmed.
One punch is literally all it takes to make a nose look like that. Since Paddy landed a lot more than one strike, that's a pretty hard evidence, that you can't necessarily see how much damage was dealt.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Not as clean as you can land since Paddy didn't get knocked out, wobbled , bruised or timid. So minimal damage.

That's just not what clean means traditionally. A clean strike is a strike that lands without getting blocked and doesn't just graze the opponent. If a fighter has his hands low and takes a punch straight to the chin, that's a clean hit.

 

[richardjohnson]

It was a close fight.


Not sure what the big deal is.


Sure he had problems with Gordon but it doesn't mean paddy is exposed. It was just an off performance/ackward fight. It happens to everyone no matter the level opponent. Some styles just don't mesh together.

Also Paddy's stupid mop of hair was a factor in Gordon's shots looking more effective. Everytime Gordon grazed or touch paddy , Paddy's giant mop of blonde hair would flail from any impact making the punch look more dramatic.


Note - I loathe Paddy

So it was an off night for Paddy and his hair made the punches look worse than they were? Sorry but you’re going to have to do better than that to convince people that Paddy won.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Yes, it was.

 

[MikeyB]

Was a split decision, imo.

I do not understand this thought process. "Hey, I'm pretty sure one person will disagree with me!"

 

[MMAProfessional]

Only thing Gordon had on Paddy was more control time.
"Fighting Area Control or Octagon Control
Control of the fighting area is the third and final criterion, and it only comes into play if the two combatants are tied about the first and second criteria. It is also considered the least important criterion."
I've been saying this but nobody wants to listen... I feel like Paddy landed the harder strikes, also in rd 3 Paddy had Gordon in a much more dangerous position than Gordon did by hugging him against the fence. Strikes were even that rd. the rds were close enough that you could say the control time won it for Gordon but I feel like without the control time Paddy won and as it says "it only comes into play if they are tied in the other criterion". For example hugging a person against the cage scores no points unless the rd is even, taking somebody down scores no points unless it's used to get off effective strikes or grappling. Take somebody down, take their back and try to choke them and that scores points. If you don't attack then it's just considered control which again is the least important criteria. Damage is the most important criteria...


"The effectiveness of a fighter’s usage of their position on the ground, whether top or bottom, is evaluated based on how well they damage their opponent."

"Takedowns, obtaining attacking positions, and attempting to submit the opponent are all examples of successful grappling tactics. Effective grappling is also measured by the impact and effectiveness of grappling techniques."

Doing damage and trying to do damage scores the most pts. Landing effective strikes, submission attempts etc.. Paddy out landed Gordon in significant strikes in rd 2 and 3, total strikes in rd 2 and total strikes for rd 3 was tied. In rd 3 he was on Gordon's back at the end where as Gordon never had a position where he could threaten with anything dangerous.

Now this is all under the assumption that wall and stall is actually counted as Octagon control.. if it's not then it literally scores 0 points.

If people think Gordon won because in their opinion he landed better strikes then fair play to that but if they think he won because he hugged Paddy against the cage, sorry to tell you this but from what I can tell that doesn't really score points.

It wasn't the winner it was the rounds they scored for Paddy. Like others say it doesn't matter and this might be even better for Gordan and showed us what we already knew about Paddy. Dude was losing to number 30 fighters at cage Warriors and people thought he lost to Erosa who has improved a lot where Paddy really hasn't