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Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya. My Breakdown.

jahivah

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Ever since this fight was made I've stated that Pacquiao will knock De La Hoya out.
I've been met with ridicule, laughter and even contempt. After all Oscar's never been knocked out in his career: (The Hopkins fight was Oscar's way to get out of a beating.)

The pundits and analysts all clam that Oscar is too big for Manny and that size will win the fight. They point to Oscar's own engagement with Hopkins at 160. Let's look to recent hoistory: Oscar fought to a 12 round unanimous decision against Steve Forbes recently: A fight in which he got hit with every imaginable shot, and though he had good spots he looked a shadow of himself. Forbes like Manny is a smaller guy. Forbes though slicker, never was much of a puncher. Manny does get hit but has improved his deffense with every fight. Oscar beat Forbes because Forbes did not have the artilery to keep Oscar off him. Manny will not be as forgiving. Manny is vulnerable to a straight right hand: oscar is known for his vocious counter left hook. Oscar has never been a one punch knock out specialist: He will put you down with apunch but usually finishes guys by shooting off a barrage of punches.

Oscar has one two opptions in this fight:
1. Ster traps for Manny, allow him to come in and attempt to put him away with the counter left hook.
2. Jab his way to a decision.

I do not see him being effective with either strategy. This is why: Manny Pacquiao is a pressure fighter, he specializes in getting into his opponents. Oscar has a terrific jab but also had alot of bad habbits in the ring. At some point he will engage Manny, at some point he will do away with the Jab.

As small as Manny maye be he's mantained his power through his rise in the divisions. He's packing on 12 lbs and that could be an issue. But if we are to go on history, that shows that he has mantained his speed and puncing power. The angles, speed, power and precision will prove to be too much for Oscar.

My prediction is a close fight early but by rould 4 it will become increasingly aparent that Oscar cannot last with Manny. Manny by knockout in 10.
 
You are basing all this on how Manny was as a 130lber... Good luck with that way of thinking.

I will admit, though, that Pac has impressed me with his training. He still has his vaunted speed and might very well make it interesting for awhile.

But he wont be pulling away with the W.
 
Manny wins but not by KO.

I'm caling Manny by split decision.


Honestly though, the KO is not as outlandish as some think. Oscar will get hit alot in this fight.
 
I'm hoping for a Pacquiao W, but idk about this one. He's in way over his head. And yes I know it is a win-win situation for him, but still. I still hope he wins, no matter what way. JUST WIN
 
Ever since this fight was made I've stated that Pacquiao will knock De La Hoya out.
I've been met with ridicule, laughter and even contempt. After all Oscar's never been knocked out in his career: (The Hopkins fight was Oscar's way to get out of a beating.)

The pundits and analysts all clam that Oscar is too big for Manny and that size will win the fight. They point to Oscar's own engagement with Hopkins at 160. Let's look to recent hoistory: Oscar fought to a 12 round unanimous decision against Steve Forbes recently: A fight in which he got hit with every imaginable shot, and though he had good spots he looked a shadow of himself. Forbes like Manny is a smaller guy. Forbes though slicker, never was much of a puncher. Manny does get hit but has improved his deffense with every fight. Oscar beat Forbes because Forbes did not have the artilery to keep Oscar off him. Manny will not be as forgiving. Manny is vulnerable to a straight right hand: oscar is known for his vocious counter left hook. Oscar has never been a one punch knock out specialist: He will put you down with apunch but usually finishes guys by shooting off a barrage of punches.

Oscar has one two opptions in this fight:
1. Ster traps for Manny, allow him to come in and attempt to put him away with the counter left hook.
2. Jab his way to a decision.

I do not see him being effective with either strategy. This is why: Manny Pacquiao is a pressure fighter, he specializes in getting into his opponents. Oscar has a terrific jab but also had alot of bad habbits in the ring. At some point he will engage Manny, at some point he will do away with the Jab.

As small as Manny maye be he's mantained his power through his rise in the divisions. He's packing on 12 lbs and that could be an issue. But if we are to go on history, that shows that he has mantained his speed and puncing power. The angles, speed, power and precision will prove to be too much for Oscar.

My prediction is a close fight early but by rould 4 it will become increasingly aparent that Oscar cannot last with Manny. Manny by knockout in 10.

Very nice reasoning. I think you may be right. I HOPE you're right. It's still a little close for me to call, but I agree with your assessment. I'm still nervous about Oscar's size and power, but he's having problems with his shoulder. Manny's was fast and powerful at the lower weight, so I'm curious to see if he can prevail at this weight against the bigger Oscar.
 
^^^

Oscars size advantage has been exaggerated a bit.

Oscars size is an advantage only because he has actually fought at that weight.
 
^^^

Oscars size advantage has been exaggerated a bit.

Oscars size is an advantage only because he has actually fought at that weight.
Um, no. These pics were from the press conference today:

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There is an extremely obvious size discrepancy, if you think Oscar's only size advantage is that he has fought at that weight before, you're grasping at straws. Think Cotto-Margarito, except 3x worse, as those two actually belonged to the same weight class.

I'm not saying Pac has no chance (I'm actually a huge Pac fan), but lets be real, DLH is clearly the bigger man, and by a good amount too.
 
Um, no. These pics were from the press conference today:

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There is an extremely obvious size discrepancy, if you think Oscar's only size advantage is that he has fought at that weight before, you're grasping at straws. Think Cotto-Margarito, except 3x worse, as those two actually belonged to the same weight class.

I'm not saying Pac has no chance (I'm actually a huge Pac fan), but lets be real, DLH is clearly the bigger man, and by a good amount too.

Thats not a huge difference. Look for pics of Mayweather/DLH. He seemed huge there too.
 
Manny's pressure will also be his undoing...ODLH is what he is, but the guy has power. The fight may be at 147 but Oscar will prolly be at 160 fight night. Oscar via K.O. Then casual observes will harp on Manny being overrated without reading between the lines.
 
BTW, word was from a few sources a week or two ago that Manny ws around 160 and Oscar was also at 160.

I suspect that once the bell rings, it'lll be a height difference and little more.
 
C'mon guys, Manny winning this fight is not impossible. De La Hoya nuthuggers speak as if the certainty of a De La Hoya win is like a law of physics of some sort that can't be violated. Things deemed impossible have happened in the past.
 
This is like the first pic Ive ever seen of Pac in a suit and tie...

What is he, a PRIDE fighter?!?!


In all seriousness, the size difference has always been there. The thing that I will watch for is the pace that is set in the first 6 rounds. If Oscar's working hard and Manny sets a fast pace while being able to deal sufficiently with Oscar's pop, then we'll have a fight on our hands and Manny could stop Oscar in the 10th or 11th. If Manny cant get by that jab and is getting tagged by Oscar, then it'll be over by the 9th.
 
Oscar just said Roach was good at training fighters and not good at training boxers...

I think Oscar takes it.....I'm pulling for Pac.
 
Oscar just said Roach was good at training fighters and not good at training boxers...

I think Oscar takes it.....I'm pulling for Pac.

Just Oscar looking to lay his shitty performance against Floyd on someone besides himself, as always.

Oscar is a bitch, I hope Manny embarasses him.
 
BTW, word was from a few sources a week or two ago that Manny ws around 160 and Oscar was also at 160.

I suspect that once the bell rings, it'lll be a height difference and little more.

As much as I respect your opinion on certain things, I can't see what you are driving at.

You and I both know Oscar has always been around 140-160. To my knowledge, Pac has never been over 155. The first week of his training camp, Roach was reporting Pac was 152. That is the non-training Pacquiao. Manny hasn't struggled at all with weight because he doesn't have to cut and his weight has been stable. This is as natural as his weight has been in a while. We both know Oscar has been cutting weight since the signing of the fight.

De La Hoya will have a size advantage in this fight. Not only in height, but also in weight. Oscar will probably come in around 154-157 by fight time. Manny will most likely be 150. Manny hasn't had to cut or gain weight for this fight, thus his training has been more stable.

As for the fight, if De La Hoya goes to the body early it will be a short fight. Maybe Oscar can't place punches like he once could, but he will be able to land big body shots regardless.

No amount of training or preperation can ready Manny to be hit at full speed by someone divisions above him. There isn't one fighter on Manny's resume that can hit even nearly as hard as Oscar.
 
^^^

I just don't think its going to be as dramatic as evryone thinks. Like Oscar will be fighting a pygmy or something.

I don't see why it really matters, size advantage hasn't really been a big help to oscar against other smaller fighters.
 
^^^

I just don't think its going to be as dramatic as evryone thinks. Like Oscar will be fighting a pygmy or something.

I don't see why it really matters, size advantage hasn't really been a big help to oscar against other smaller fighters.
 
No amount of training or preperation can ready Manny to be hit at full speed by someone divisions above him. There isn't one fighter on Manny's resume that can hit even nearly as hard as Oscar.

Also, while its true Oscar is a better puncher than most anyone manny has been in with, I think Oscar (todays Oscar!) is not going to seem so fast to MAnny. Thats going to be the difference I think.

BTW, lol- HBO always plays a fight from each guy before a major PPV. For MAnny, they chose his last fight, David Diaz. For Oscar they chose his fight with Ike Quartey, almost 10 years ago. Just struck me funny.
 
probably chose the quartey fight over the trinidad fight because we've seen plenty of oscar running on 24/7.
 
As long as ODLH dont fall to the mat, its in the bag by a decision. Think of ODLH as a bigger JMM with a better chin. Nacho will finally get his win against roach.
 
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