Out of these retired fighters with 5+ title wins, who would be elite today?

TheHabitualLineStepper said:
Right. And? Who said it was?

Obviously a title win is not a title defense.

Once you win the title, every time you defend it after that...is a defense. Not a "title win".

Which part are you not understand here?
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AND people talking about TITLE WINS aren't labelling title defenses as title wins, they're just talking about TITLE WINS, MORON.
"What is it with you MMA fans and labelling title defenses as "Title wins"?"
NO ONE IS LABELLING TITLE DEFENSES AS TITLE WINS, WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT TITLE WINS.
I've had many discussions here and that's the lowest IQ take I've ever seen here not even kidding
 
For fucks sake.. again with BJ Penn?

Penn would have lost to Benson Henderson.. let alone the actual LWs. He would get obliterated.
 
The problem with evaluating former greats is that the sport is still evolving, so you'd have to assume that if they were training today it would be by today's standards. With that caveat, I think just about everyone on this list would do well in today's landscape. If anyone, maybe Matt Hughes would suffer, because he won because of his wrestling pedigree and work ethic. I'm not sure updated training techniques would be a big benefit to him, and he'd no longer be ahead of the game. Especially considering all of the wrestlers at WW right now, and most fighters have practice defending a kimura.
 
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hunt0 said:
AND people talking about TITLE WINS aren't labelling title defenses as title wins, they're just talking about TITLE WINS, MORON.
"What is it with you MMA fans and labelling title defenses as "Title wins"?"
NO ONE IS LABELLING TITLE DEFENSES AS TITLE WINS, WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT TITLE WINS.
I've had many discussions here and that's the lowest IQ take I've ever seen here not even kidding
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So those guys listed won titles on 5 separate occasions? Because off the bat I'm counting 2 for BJ Penn I'm counting 2.

What are the 5 title wins for the others?
 
hunt0 said:
BJ Penn, Tim Sylvia, Pat Miletich, Chuck Liddell, Frank Shamrock, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, Matt Hughes.
I think prime BJ would be top 3 of either LW or WW, he was inconsistent but always dangerous
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I tend to think either Couture or BJ -- I feel Couture's style would hold up well, and BJ at 155 was always a hassle to even think about taking down and also had a granite chin.
 
TheHabitualLineStepper said:
So that includes title defenses then doesn't it you fucking moron lol

Hence the question why you MMA clowns label title defenses as "Title wins".
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INCLUDES TITLE DEFENSES BUT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO TITLE DEFENSES, MORON. You're the slowest guy I've ever seen in this forum
 
hunt0 said:
INCLUDES TITLE DEFENSES BUT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO TITLE DEFENSES, MORON. You're the slowest guy I've ever seen in this forum
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Who said it was limited to title defenses you dumb cunt?

A title defense isn't a "Title win" hence why I'm asking why idiots like you label them as such.

And here you come cape tied as tight as possible confirming that exact idiocy.
 
TheHabitualLineStepper said:
Who said it was limited to title defenses you dumb cunt?

A title defense isn't a "Title win" hence why I'm asking why idiots like you label them as such.

And here you come cape tied as tight as possible confirming that exact idiocy.
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You're so slow... I literally said the post before that it means wins in title fights.
your response was "So that includes title defenses then doesn't it" of course you idiot, but if I call it "title defenses" I'm limiting to title defenses, and since not every title fight is a title defense this doesn't make sense, I'm talking about wins in title fights.
You can check all my posts I never said this about anybody: you're literally the lowest IQ person I've ever met here, of all discussions I've never seen someone so slow.
People understood what I meant in this post, seems like you're really unable to
 
"Today" is a bit different from 1-2 years ago for some divisions. LHW is a mess and the majority of elite LHWs have retired/departed from the UFC/changed weight classes. Prime Iceman, Couture and Tito are likely to be somewhat relevant in today's LHW division where someone like Glover holds the belt after having beaten Jan. Iceman, Couture and Tito wouldn't stand a chance against Jones/DC/Rumble/Gus though, and likely not Bader/Cory/Davis either. So in its sad current state, the LHW mentioned are likely to be top 10 fighters or higher.

Sylvia would likely be a top 10 HW today, but that's because HW sucks. BJ likely in the lower top 10 at LW, problem is that he's tiny compared to today's LWs and 50% of the times he showed up fat and unprepared which may work against the likes of Sanches/Stevenson/Pulver/Sherk but perhaps not as well against today's top LWs. "Motivated" BJ at FW would be elite though.

Matt Hughes would be lower top 10. Can probably beat someone like Masvidal, but then again Masvidal is severely overrated and fringe top 10.
 
hunt0 said:
You're so slow... I literally said the post before that it means wins in title fights.
your response was "So that includes title defenses then doesn't it" of course you idiot, but if I call it "title defenses" I'm limiting to title defenses, and since not every title fight is a title defense this doesn't make sense, I'm talking about wins in title fights.
You can check all my posts I never said this about anybody: you're literally the lowest IQ person I've ever met here, of all discussions I've never seen someone so slow.
People understood what I meant in this post, seems like you're really unable to
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Title wins are not wins in title fights, that's why.

I don't give a fuck what you're talking about mate, I asked why you MMA label title defenses as title wins. You then answered by including title defenses as title wins lmao

The fact you're including title defenses in "title wins" literally is the exact point I'm making in regards to MMA fans labeling title defenses and "title wins" as two of the same thing, they're not.

A title win is when you win a title. Not when you defend a title, or when you "when in a title fight" (Which is a title defense.)

Hence, the question. Dummy.
 
TheHabitualLineStepper said:
Title wins are not wins in title fights, that's why.

I don't give a fuck what you're talking about mate, I asked why you MMA label title defenses as title wins. You then answered by including title defenses as title wins lmao

The fact you're including title defenses in "title wins" literally is the exact point I'm making in regards to MMA fans labeling title defenses and "title wins" as two of the same thing, they're not.

A title win is when you win a title. Not when you defend a title, or when you "when in a title fight" (Which is a title defense.)

Hence, the question. Dummy.
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Wasting more time with someone who I have recognized to be the lowest IQ person on this forum would make me dumb, have fun
 
hunt0 said:
Wasting more time with someone who I have recognized to be the lowest IQ person on this forum would make me dumb, have fun
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Are you aware that title defenses are not title wins yet or not mate?

It's not even a remotely difficult concept.
 
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