Elections On Columbus Day Kamala Harris Said European explorers ushered in a wave of devastation, violence, stealing land, and widespread disease

[Natural Order]

Nobody omits that. Disease was a large part of the genocide of the Native peoples.

If anyone actually gives a shit about how abjectly inhuman the US treated Natives, just on a legal basis, read the Marshall Trilogy. From the outset, natives couldn't hold true fee simple property rights to lands they lived on for millenia since they were savages and not "christian". The good Ole Discovery Doctrine.

"The exclusion of of all other Europeans necessarily gave to the nation making the discovery the sole right of acquiring lands from the natives and establishing settlements upon it."

All the European imperialists were Christian and the Doctrine applied to only non Christians.

Johnson v McIntosh
Worcester v Georgia
Cherokee v Georgia

For persons who claim we need to "honor" our history, do yourselves a favor and read some actual history from the SCOTUS.

The biggest part, even.

I’m mostly curious what it is you think needs to be done at this point so everybody stops talking about it. I mean, specifically, what needs to happen here in your opinion. Reparation payment? Real estate lines redrawn? Where we at?

 

[kflo]

Nobody omits that. Disease was a large part of the genocide of the Native peoples.

If anyone actually gives a shit about how abjectly inhuman the US treated Natives, just on a legal basis, read the Marshall Trilogy. From the outset, natives couldn't hold true fee simple property rights to lands they lived on for millenia since they were savages and not "christian". The good Ole Discovery Doctrine.

"The exclusion of of all other Europeans necessarily gave to the nation making the discovery the sole right of acquiring lands from the natives and establishing settlements upon it."

All the European imperialists were Christian and the Doctrine applied to only non Christians.

Johnson v McIntosh
Worcester v Georgia
Cherokee v Georgia

For persons who claim we need to "honor" our history, do yourselves a favor and read some actual history from the SCOTUS.

you're saying disease was intentionally spread?

 

[panamaican]

you're saying disease was intentionally spread?

Yes, it's widely accepted as true. Some settlers intentionally gave the Native Americans blankets and other goods contaminated with smallpox, hoping that the disease would weaken their resistance.

On June 24, 1763, William Trent, a fur trader commissioned at Fort Pitt, wrote in his journal after a failed negotiation between the British and the Delaware tribe. He stated that they had given the emissaries food, and as Trent wrote, “Out of our regard to them we gave them 2 Blankets and an (sic) Handkerchief out of the Small pox (sic) Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.”

Later that year, the Delaware, Shawnee and Mingo Tribes laid siege to Fort Pitt. The fort’s commander wrote to his superior officer, Colonel Bouquet, that he feared the disease would overwhelm the fort’s inhabitants. After hearing of the outbreak, Bouquet’s superior officer, Lord Jeffrey Amherst, sent a suggestion from New York: “Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox (sic) among those Disaffected Tribes of Indians? We must, on this occasion, Use Every Stratagem in our power to Reduce them.”

This is a quote from a Professor McCoy to President Andrew Jackson:

“In 1831, some of the white men… under the influence of a disposition, which it would seem had its origin in a world worse than ours, conceived the design of communicating the small-pox (sic) to those remote tribes! I have in my possession the certificate of a young man who was employed as one of the company; that they designed to communicate [smallpox] on a present of tobacco…or if such an opportunity should not offer, an infected article of clothing…Not long after this the Pawnees on the Great Platt River were most dreadfully afflicted with small-pox.”

Investigating the Smallpox Blanket Controversy | ASM.org

Lingering questions surround deliberate smallpox outbreaks among Native Americans, leaving a legacy of trauma and distrust in Native communities that persist to this day. This article seeks to answer some of these questions.

asm.org

 

[panamaican]

Why you guys always forgetting to mention that disease killed 90+% of all natives throughout the Americas?

It’s a nasty figure the virtue signallers love to omit.

No one omits it. What some people don't realize is that the disease was intentionally distributed to Native peoples with the intention of killing.

It was basic germ warfare.

 

[Goutfather]

of course she said that. she hates white people.

 

[Domitian]

No one omits it. What some people don't realize is that the disease was intentionally distributed to Native peoples with the intention of killing.

It was basic germ warfare.

They did, but I remember reading a study that stated that those isolated incidents didn't have a massive impact on millions of Natives over all of the Americas. No idea if I could find it as it was a long time ago. It would make sense though that some diseased blankets given out in Delaware to one tribe didn't really have an impact on people hundreds of miles away.

 

[nicapica]

lol yall weak ass natives got slaughtered in the USA. We’re still loud and proud here in Nicaragua and we’re taking over your block!!!!

 

[Natural Order]

No one omits it. What some people don't realize is that the disease was intentionally distributed to Native peoples with the intention of killing.

It was basic germ warfare.

No, that isn't where the majority of disease deaths came from. It spread naturally and was weaponized later to further the effects.

As this constitutes as mentioned, upwards of 90% of indigenous mortality both in North and South America, it should be a prevalent point when discussing this never-ending hogwash.

 

[AWilder]

of course she said that. she hates white people.

She hates white people so much she married one

 

[Natural Order]

Steel and germs baby. If you don't think the tables would have been flipped in identical fashion had the luck of evolution and resources been on the other foot, you're dumber than dirt.

Now let's get down to settling these injustices, yes? Who wants to go first?

 

[BFoe]

No, that isn't where the majority of disease deaths came from. It spread naturally and was weaponized later to further the effects.

As this constitutes as mentioned, upwards of 90% of indigenous mortality both in North and South America, it should be a prevalent point when discussing this never-ending hogwash.

It’s true that isn’t where the majority of deaths came from.

It’s also true that disease spread naturally from Europeans to natives killed some 90% of the native population.

 

[Natural Order]

It’s true that isn’t where the majority of deaths came from.

It’s also true that disease spread naturally from Europeans to natives killed some 90% of the native population.

I'm sorry, you're just affirming my two points amigo?

 

[BFoe]

I'm sorry, you're just affirming my two points amigo?

If your point is that what Kamala said was true, then yes.

 

[Natural Order]

If your point is that what Kamala said was true, then yes.

Imagine needing reminding at the big kids table.

 

[Teppodama]

 

[Natural Order]

If the germs were generally unintentional, and 90% of indigenous mortality is attributed to this "accident" of biology, should we really be pushing a genocide narrative? Is it accurate? Intent is a huge part of a realistic definition of genocide.

We're assuming the same total would have been decimated by direct hand had the germs not done what they did?

Fill a brother in!

 

[Goutfather]

She hates white people so much she married one

well for starters, he’s not white.

but even if he were, having a fetish for white dick doesn’t mean she doesn’t hate white people.

 

[Sinister]

If the germs were generally unintentional, and 90% of indigenous mortality is attributed to this "accident" of biology, should we really be pushing a genocide narrative? Is it accurate? Intent is a huge part of a realistic definition of genocide.

We're assuming the same total would have been decimated by direct hand had the germs not done what they did?

Fill a brother in!

Genocide isnt ONLY defined by mass killing, what the Europeans did with forced removal, ethnic cleansing, biological warfare even after the initial diseases depopulated (tainted blankets), removal of civil rights while occupying, and continuing to remove territory, all those things are also part of genocide.

 

[BFoe]

If the germs were generally unintentional, and 90% of indigenous mortality is attributed to this "accident" of biology, should we really be pushing a genocide narrative? Is it accurate? Intent is a huge part of a realistic definition of genocide.

We're assuming the same total would have been decimated by direct hand had the germs not done what they did?

Fill a brother in!

Well it wasn’t just the germs, it was also the forcible displacement of those people, taking of their land, and enslaving them that contributed.

I don’t think saying, “golly, we didn’t mean to kill quite that many of you” helps much.

 

[Natural Order]

It's an ugly piece of logic they love to hand wave.

Genocide isnt ONLY defined by mass killing, what the Europeans did with forced removal, ethnic cleansing, biological warfare even after the initial diseases depopulated (tainted blankets), removal of civil rights while occupying, and continuing to remove territory, all those things are also part of genocide.

Well we defined a few hundred years later (and it continues to change, no?), so colour me a bit skeptical.

I suppose by your very own definition we can assume various tribes were committing genocide against other tribes on the land, yes? History is brutal, everywhere.

I've noticed you've been unwilling to take a stab at my request for a starting date we can begin to approach global reparations. Or shall we just whine for another few hundred years?