Media Older fans need to accept that UFC is now entertainment 1st, competition 2nd

[Pancake Sprawl]

O'Malley is not bad on the mic, he's just annoying. Aljo is a cringe fest.

But this should be a fun fight. O'Malley is a lot better than people think he is.

it'll be interesting on the feet but as soon as Aljo gets a hold of him i think it's going to be 1 way traffic until it's over.

 

[TIMELESS TRUTH]

Thanks captain obvious!

 

[jeff7b9]

. The opposite to me is a guy like Colby. Talks tons of shit to appeal to the WWE crowd and casuals and then when it’s fight time is usually a boring fight. Chael was kind of the same way.

Chael definitely had an act/persona.

I think he TRIED to finish, but damn if the man couldn't crack an egg.
(But somehow finished Shogun)


Colby doesn't grasp that the trash talker guy is supposed to have charisma, charm, not just juvenile douchebaggery.

 

[BFoe]

Wasn’t it always?

Yes, the idea that it's something new is amusing. People have got title shots coming off losses for years and people act as if it's something new.

A boring fighter like Fitch had to win multiple fights in a row to get a title shot, someone with a bit of a look and personality like Dan Hardy got fast tracked. It is what it is.

No, it was not always that way. Sure, there are examples of it, but it was not the default operating basis of the sport. Back when MMA media did rankings, there was some slight variance among them but they were generally objective and we all had a sense of who truly were the best ranked fighters at that time. This shit where Conor stays ranked for years while inactive, and in a division where he has a losing record, is a modern UFC invention. Same for Stipe not only staying ranked despite not fighting in 2 years, but holding the #2 spot like he was despite not winning a fight in 3 years. Or even sliding Li Jingliang into the Top 15 conveniently so Khamzat can fight a top 15 guy. Interim belts for the most part were done when needed and felt legitimate, like Barao’s interim BW belt or Nog’s interim HW belt. These days they’re manufactured at will and discarded at the organization’s convenience as solely a promotional tool.

Same for rematches. They existed; but there was 3 years between Edgar-Maynard 1 and 2, and Edgar-Maynard 3 only happened because the second fight was a draw. Now every champ that exists gets a rematch, we watch Stipe fight DC 3x in a row, Masvidal steps in on short notice to face Usman (a TS he otherwise didn’t deserve), and somehow the short notice that is used as an excuse to book a rematch…Figgy fought Moreno 4 fuckin times in a row, poor Rose fought Joanna twice then Andrade twice then Weili Zhang (!!) twice…
It’s trash matchmaking.

And I don’t really think Dan Hardy was fast-tracked much either. Hardy was on a 3-fight win streak when he came to the UFC, and he won 4 more straight. It’s true that Fitch had a lengthier streak, but Hardy getting the shot when he did had more to do with GSP having cleaned out a lot of the division by 2010. It was a different scene in 2008.

 

[fica]

everything american lead sport is entertinment and race. it spilled to f1 and football internationaly, nobody is hipping hamilton as much as american media and nobody is hipping mbape as next big thing as much as american media

 

[Hellowhosthat]

No, it was not always that way. Sure, there are examples of it, but it was not the default operating basis of the sport. Back when MMA media did rankings, there was some slight variance among them but they were generally objective and we all had a sense of who truly were the best ranked fighters at that time. This shit where Conor stays ranked for years while inactive, and in a division where he has a losing record, is a modern UFC invention. Same for Stipe not only staying ranked despite not fighting in 2 years, but holding the #2 spot like he was despite not winning a fight in 3 years. Or even sliding Li Jingliang into the Top 15 conveniently so Khamzat can fight a top 15 guy. Interim belts for the most part were done when needed and felt legitimate, like Barao’s interim BW belt or Nog’s interim HW belt. These days they’re manufactured at will and discarded at the organization’s convenience as solely a promotional tool.

Same for rematches. They existed; but there was 3 years between Edgar-Maynard 1 and 2, and Edgar-Maynard 3 only happened because the second fight was a draw. Now every champ that exists gets a rematch, we watch Stipe fight DC 3x in a row, Masvidal steps in on short notice to face Usman (a TS he otherwise didn’t deserve), and somehow the short notice that is used as an excuse to book a rematch…Figgy fought Moreno 4 fuckin times in a row, poor Rose fought Joanna twice then Andrade twice then Weili Zhang (!!) twice…
It’s trash matchmaking.

And I don’t really think Dan Hardy was fast-tracked much either. Hardy was on a 3-fight win streak when he came to the UFC, and he won 4 more straight. It’s true that Fitch had a lengthier streak, but Hardy getting the shot when he did had more to do with GSP having cleaned out a lot of the division by 2010. It was a different scene in 2008.

It happened loads dude. We just forget about it because they didn't have a rankings system like the current one at the time.

Randy fought Sylvia for the Heavyweight belt coming off a loss at LHW. Sure he won but can you imagine the backlash if that happened now?

Pedro Rizzo fought Randy twice in a row for the title despite losing the first time.

Nate Quarry got a title shot off beating Sincaid, Shonie Carter and Pete Sell because he was on TUF.

Chael got a shot and a TUF series against Jones coming off a losing title shot in the division below having never fought at LHW.

 

[balkanbomber85]

watch your mouth, young man!

 

[liner]

I feel like I remember this type of complaining from the chuck Tito 2 fight. Get over it. If the promoting makes it so you don't enjoy the in cage fighting anymore, stop watching. Or just stop paying attention to anything other than the fights. It's not hard to do.

Understand It is not and never will be about sport, first, if there's more money to be made with spectacle. they will always call guys into the cage to set up interest. They will talk shit at weighins and stare downs. a bigger name fighter will jump the title shot line. Sometimes the heat is real and sometimes it's fake to sell the fight. Enjoy that heat when it's legit. Sometimes it's a money fight, sometimes it's a ranked fight. Just enjoy the fights

Once in a while sport and money lines up to create those rare true super fights, 2 best ranked guys, title, real heat. bonus.

 

[Morning Star]

They did a Tito-Shamrock trilogy. Hughes vs Gracie. Brock got a title shot after going 1-1. It's always been entertainment over a sport.

 

[Taric]

So nothing is different from the old days.

 

[CasualBot]

What are you, new?

 

[2004 account]

Why should any fan accept it? Other promotions are delivering martial arts as a sport while UFC shills are trying to convince everyone to just accept the hot garbage of the UFC.

True. Ufc shills are like brainwashed lefty dems that want to help the government bring in communism

 

[CashMoney1991]

I think it's always been that way, it was so much worse during the Connor era where he was allowed to let belts collect dust, imo it wasn't nearly as bad as the golden ufc age (2006-2011)

 

[skylolow]

Most sports entertainment comes first.

Sometimes it just isn't in your face as the UFC does at times.

 

[Satchm0]

If you youngsters call that "entertainment"...you can keep it.

It was "cringe".

 

[noizer]

The ufc and fighting in general has always been about entertainment. Its prizefighting and the bigger the names the bigger the reward.

That said i dont really enjoy the current product as is it feels forced and fake to the point that its cringe. Even the wwe feels more genuine at this point.

 

[World eater]

It was always like this. The difference is - it was way more entertaining.

 

[Mind Mine]

So let me get this right. You are telling a group pf people that saw Fedor fight professional wrestlers, a kickboxer literally skipping all wrestlers to get a MW titleshots, the Kimbo era etc etc…. that this new age of mma puts entertainment first? You must be trolling. If not…. the nerve

 

[HHJ]

It was always like this. The difference is - it was way more entertaining.

Nah,it was just newer.

Once the bloom is off the rose people blame the sport and not them being older and their enthusiasm waning. Face it,it will never be new and fresh as when you first got into it.

 

[Rationality]

Pride walkouts make the UFC look like a snoozefest. Prize fighting has always had an entertainment/promotion/money element to it, otherwise it's just meeting outside the bar or out behind the school to settle things.