Old school judging robberies.

Heath herring vs vitor belfort. Vitor got soundly controlled and bested. But pride had some shenanigan criteria at the time where they favored the smaller guy over the bigger guy in decisions they claimed and gave the decision to vitor. He absolutely did not win lol
Really though those judging criteria should only come into play if the fight was pretty even, Vitor already had the advantage of being able to make knees on the ground illegal due to the weight difference which was obviously a big loss for Heath.
 
I seem to remember thinking Murilo Bustamante beat Chuck Liddell but I haven’t watched it in years
Bustamante was granted a title shot at middleweight 4 months after this loss and won the title
 
Hughes/Verrssimo. No way Hughes took that. I think he could have if it were a 5 rounder though.
 
Also known as home cooking.



Although to be perfectly honest, that fight was a lot closer than people think. Yeah, Matt Hammill definitely won the first round decisively. And he probably did enough wrestling to win the second, but it was close. And the third was a toss up.

30-27 Hamill is an acceptable score, and 29-28 Hamill is too. But even 29-28 Bisping is certainly possible. Especially with the secret ingredient of home cooking.
I agree. In terms of robberies, it might not even make top 10 anymore.
 
I think you are mistaken.
They are some of the biggest UFC robberies, with their biggest stars no less, and for their belts.

Sorry, either you do not know what robbery is, or you did not watch those fights...
Some of those "robberies" you mention, I agree with the result.
A robbery is when people largely agree.
 
GSP & Hendricks, Jon & Gus one should be considered now "old school".
Add Machida & Rua 1 to the mix...
funny how close they were one from another...
I still agree with both GSP and Machida winning those fights. Hendricks just did better than everyone expected and Machida vs Shogun was close as it gets.
 
Big Nog vs. Hendo is the worst robbery I've seen, but it doesn't get talked about because it was in Rings.


Actually fedor vs arona back in rings was abit of a robbery
Arona controlled fedor the first two rounds and should have been awarded the victory
 
Going way back in the day to some OG robbery decisions
Top 2 that come to mind
Randy vs Rizzo 1.
Randy controlled rhe first round a 10-8 with some nasty ground n pound. He blew his wade sort of speak and really started to tire in the later rounds
This fight was Rizzo. He got robbed. Randy knew it.
10-8 randy
Than 10-9 rizzo the rest of the way. With the 5th maybe a 10-8 rizzo
By the end of the fight rizzo was landing leg kicks at will and randy was laying and flopping allover the octagon
Terrible judging
Randy made amends in the rematch

It's not a robbery if it's an extremely close fight, but regardless, Randy won on points as he should've. Round 1 was 10-8 Couture easy, Round 2 was 10-8 Rizzo easy with Randy gassed, Rounds 3 and 4 both 10-9 for Couture as he got a second wind and put Rizzo down again, and Round 5 10-9 Rizzo as Randy started fading again but no real damage inflicted by the always-too-passive Rizzo. That's 47-46 Couture, as it should've been. Even if you wanted to give Rizzo a 10-8 for Round 5, which I don't think he earned, it still wouldn't give him the victory, but a draw at best. No way he won that fight. He could've won it had he gone for the kill in Round 2 or again in Round 5, but he was way too passive and it cost him on the cards. On the big stage, Rizzo had no killer instinct and he'd either freeze and do nothing (like he did against Randleman and Randy the second time) or coast instead of stepping on the gas (like he did against Coleman at UFC 18 and against Randy here). He was wrongly given a decision he didn't earn over Coleman at UFC 18, even though Coleman scored TDs and landed GNP and even a couple of surprise punches on the feet, while Rizzo did very little offensively. The first fight against Randy was much the same, he had him right where he wanted him but he let him survive to the cards, except this time he didn't get gifted the decision. Rizzo had no one to blame for losing that fight but himself.

Rutten vs Randleman
Randleman controlled all 5 rounds with this wrestling
50-45 randleman

The standard round system wasn't in place at UFC 20, so neither your description of the number of rounds Raldmena controlled nor your made up scorecard make sense. In keeping with the theme, though, this is another instance of a fight being one fighter's to lose and they lost it. Randleman busted Bas up early, but he literally stopped all offense and let Bas back into the fight, and it cost him. Added to which, the old UFC scoring was more like the PRIDE scoring, emphasizing effort to finish the fight and assessing things cumulatively rather than round by round with the 10-point-must system. The judges saw Bas trying to KO Randleman every second of the fight, including relentlessly attacking him even off his back, while Randleman was just laying on top of him taking elbows to the dome. It was a bizarrely abortive performance from Randleman (Bas always said that he thought the body kick he landed on Randleman hurt him and scared him, thus making him go completely on the defensive) and a gutsy performance from Bas. I'm not mad at the gutsy combatant getting rewarded while the passive lay-and-prayer suffers for not actively trying to win.
 
Nogueira va Ricco Rodriguez was discussed here greatly.
Yep a very contentious one. Especially where it would have really bolstered ricos legacy if given the decision where nogueira is regarded so highly.

This one only confounds people who score PRIDE fights by UFC judging criteria. Ricco got TDs and spent a lot of the fight in the top position, but that scores you points on UFC cards, not PRIDE cards. In PRIDE, Nog won because he was constantly going for sweeps and submissions and had Ricco playing defense the whole time. Added to which, Ricco fought very conservatively considering he tapped Nog with a kneebar quickly and with ease when they fought in ADCC. I haven't rewatched the fight in a while, but did Ricco attempt any submissions? It was bad enough that he was fighting without being able to use elbows, which he used so effectively in his GNP arsenal (he literally won the UFC HW belt by fracturing Couture's orbital bone with an elbow), and even worse that he'd gotten fat again (which was always his Achilles' heel, he lacked discipline and he could slack on his training), but just playing the TD and control game against a literal BJJ machine who never stops looking for sweeps and submissions, Ricco's back was against the wall and Nog took full advantage and got the win.

Big Nog vs. Hendo is the worst robbery I've seen, but it doesn't get talked about because it was in Rings.



Haha, yeah, most people don't know/remember Rings, but that's definitely a horrendous decision. Sadly, though, it's one of many questionable decisions that the man who used to be known as "Decision Dan" received in his early career. His tournament run at UFC 17 was also quite eyebrow-raising. All the way up to his fight against Yuki Kondo, where IIRC Dan was sick, it was not a very good showing and I might've even given it to Kondo for controlling and reversing as much as he did.

Coleman vs Rizzo

Yep, this one's a real shame, not least because it would've set up a match between Coleman and Rutten instead of Randleman coming in. Coleman wouldn't have lacked the killer instinct that Randleman didn't have, but then Coleman wouldn't have had Randleman's gas tank. That would've been a very interesting fight, and a title shot that Coleman deserved. Then again, that loss to Rizzo was part of the skid that resulted in Coleman changing things up, going to Japan, and rejuvenating his career and winning the PRIDE 2000 GP. So many MMA "What Ifs...?"

I seem to remember thinking Murilo Bustamante beat Chuck Liddell but I haven’t watched it in years
Bustamante was granted a title shot at middleweight 4 months after this loss and won the title

No, he didn't actually deserve the nod, he just did way better on the feet than people were expecting. Much like his training partner Nog, Bustamante had really crisp straight punching, and so he tagged Chuck a bunch. But Chuck had an iron chin and was never even remotely fazed, plus he stopped all of Busta's TDs and dropped him with a punch early. Chuck wasn't very aggressive, and so it was a bit of a boring fight without much action, but Chuck clearly did enough to win IMO, certainly enough to where it was by no means a robbery.

Hughes/Verrssimo. No way Hughes took that. I think he could have if it were a 5 rounder though.

Deep cut most don't know/remember, but yeah, even as a huge Hughes fan, it was tough seeing him struggle so much and it's bittersweet seeing him get his hand raised. From there it was on to beating GSP and reclaiming WW gold, but that should've been an L on his record. Charuto's length and his skill off his back was just too much for Hughes to deal with. He couldn't control the hips and even as he blossomed into a very skilled submission artist, he never developed the greatest sub defense.
 
Johil de Oliveira vs Darrel Gholar from the 90s is supposed to be the Gold Standard MMA robbery, but I've only ever seen the highlights.
 
Ken vs. Severn 2

Big Nog vs. Ricco Rodriguez

Tito vs. Vitor

Hendo vs. Bustamante 2

Chuck vs. Bustamante
 
Actually fedor vs arona back in rings was abit of a robbery
Arona controlled fedor the first two rounds and should have been awarded the victory
I don't think thats nearly as bad, Arona had the most dominant round in the 1st but Rings was round by round scoring(actually over 2 rounds then an overtime round if they were even) but then the next two were close.

Hendo basically beat Nog via defending subs from his back.
 
I still agree with both GSP and Machida winning those fights. Hendricks just did better than everyone expected and Machida vs Shogun was close as it gets.
i mean, virtually all media gave it to Johnny.
Only GSP fans think he won by defending. I do think even GSP thought he lost. You could see the demeanor by both guys.
But then again, I don't want to re-ignite the discussion, but as you can see, there is still very much controversy and neither side ever conceded... which it suits me fine. If everyone always agreed, this sport wouldn't be half as great.
 
i mean, virtually all media gave it to Johnny.
Only GSP fans think he won by defending. I do think even GSP thought he lost. You could see the demeanor by both guys.
But then again, I don't want to re-ignite the discussion, but as you can see, there is still very much controversy and neither side ever conceded... which it suits me fine. If everyone always agreed, this sport wouldn't be half as great.
Yeah, I just think it was mostly a case of Hendricks looking scary and GSP wearing damage easily.
Either way, doesn't change much. Neither guy had much of a career after.
 
Some of those "robberies" you mention, I agree with the result.
A robbery is when people largely agree.
sorry, but <TrumpWrong1>


A robbery is when many (the majority) thinks the result is wrong.
And whether YOU specifically agree or not it is not in the discussion.
Those were considered robbery by many, and the fact you feel the need to justify some just shows they are still, in fact, robberies.
 
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