Old Bellator Champs in UFC?

DougieJones

You're The Man Now Dog Belt
@red
Joined
Dec 14, 2018
Messages
9,979
Reaction score
17,493
Just curious what "lesser discussed" Bellator champs (or fighters in general I guess) might have done well in the UFC. Guys like Pat Curran, Liam McGeary, Daniel Straus, Rafael Carvalho, Eduardo Dantas... and others


Here is a thot for your thoughts...

1740704566796.png
 
Last edited:
Just curious what "lesser discussed" Bellator champs (or fighters in general I guess) might have done well in the UFC. Guys like Pat Curran, Liam McGeary, Daniel Straus, Rafael Carvalho, Eduardo Dantas...


Here is a thot for your thoughts...

View attachment 1084296
Curran and Straus (Pre Motorcycle accident) could have definitely been top 5, maybe even champ material. Carvalho always had zero TDD so doubt he would have done well
 
Dudu would have been ranked and in some bangers. Liam could have been a contender with strategic matchmaking. His TDD was terrible, but he had a hell of a kill shot.
 
Dudu said a few years ago he and Pederneiras met with Dana in Vegas to negotiate a deal, but it looks like it never panned out.
 
Curran and Straus (Pre Motorcycle accident) could have definitely been top 5, maybe even champ material. Carvalho always had zero TDD so doubt he would have done well
Nah, Straus' sub defense was too garbage for me to think he wouldn't have found a way to choke in the biggest fights. Skill wise he was better than both Pat and Patricio in his prime, but he had Sonnen syndrome in terms of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

McGeary had nice power and could be tricky on the mat if you let him play guard, but if he jumped into the UFC when he was peaking he'd have been lucky to hit the top 10 imo, same deal with Newton who had to rally in certain fights he was a favorite in and overall had a weird style that might net him some success for a bit defying the expectations before getting figured out and going on a skid, which is kinda what happened to him in Bellator.

Volkov we already know what he did, Minakov and Konrad are interesting since they were undefeated at their best, though Minakov faced stiffer competition and also had a pretty damn competitive fight with Kongo which makes me think he'd have topped out as a top 5 depending on matchups but never held the belt, HW contenders at the time were nasty. He'd beat someone like Browne though, easy. Cole is hard to say since he didn't love MMA and was pretty limited. Unless he developed some finishing instincts he wouldn't have been well liked by the brass either, I think he'd have been a perennial top 10 guy but faltered against the more lethal foes who wouldn't just let him ride them.

Of the old MW champs only Lombard and Shlemenko are worth looking at imo. Shlemenko I think would have ran into massive issues if matchup with wrestle/grapplers, especially back then, but against strikers he could've put up some nice fights. Don't think he'd have ever contended, but he'd have been around the top 15 and earned his fair share of FN main events imo. Again, MW was a shark tank during his peak. Carvalho and Halsey both have too big of holes to have ever made noise imo, though Rafael was more durable than Brandon so he could've at least stuck around on prelims or something like that, I think Brandon would've washed out in quick order.

WW is the most interesting one for me tbh, we had actual UFC contenders make the jump to Bellator while they were either at their peak (Larkin) or near it, plus a vet like Daley. Lima and Koreshkov do share similar deficiencies in the wrestling department that could've cost them, moreso for Douglas, but I think they would've stayed ranked for a long time if they had crossed over. Maybe not held the belt, but they would've given a pretty good fight to any of the title holders/contenders at the time post-GSP.

LW we know what Eddie did.... and Will Brooks :( would've been fun to see Chandler as a younger guy in there though.

FW Pitbull and Curran could've tussled with the best, but I do think a decade ago we weren't seeing the best Pitbull so he would've taken some Ls as he moved up the ranks. Over time he really improved his striking game defensively (Straus and Weichel both picked him apart at times, though he was always able to score comebacks if needed) which I think really made him into the dominant force of FW everyone knew he was capable of being.

BW Dudu is the only interesting champ imo, and he lost his edge after the Warren loss. Tyson loss was also rough, but shit happens. If he was willing to be dynamic and aggressive then he could've had some nice moments, but if it was the Dudu who was just coasting, I don't think he would've gone very far. Overall though, lack of wrestling would've killed his title chances. I guess Caldwell counts as an old champ too, but I really don't know what to make of him. Especially not after his cardio went to shit.
 
Nah, Straus' sub defense was too garbage for me to think he wouldn't have found a way to choke in the biggest fights. Skill wise he was better than both Pat and Patricio in his prime, but he had Sonnen syndrome in terms of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

McGeary had nice power and could be tricky on the mat if you let him play guard, but if he jumped into the UFC when he was peaking he'd have been lucky to hit the top 10 imo, same deal with Newton who had to rally in certain fights he was a favorite in and overall had a weird style that might net him some success for a bit defying the expectations before getting figured out and going on a skid, which is kinda what happened to him in Bellator.

Volkov we already know what he did, Minakov and Konrad are interesting since they were undefeated at their best, though Minakov faced stiffer competition and also had a pretty damn competitive fight with Kongo which makes me think he'd have topped out as a top 5 depending on matchups but never held the belt, HW contenders at the time were nasty. He'd beat someone like Browne though, easy. Cole is hard to say since he didn't love MMA and was pretty limited. Unless he developed some finishing instincts he wouldn't have been well liked by the brass either, I think he'd have been a perennial top 10 guy but faltered against the more lethal foes who wouldn't just let him ride them.

Of the old MW champs only Lombard and Shlemenko are worth looking at imo. Shlemenko I think would have ran into massive issues if matchup with wrestle/grapplers, especially back then, but against strikers he could've put up some nice fights. Don't think he'd have ever contended, but he'd have been around the top 15 and earned his fair share of FN main events imo. Again, MW was a shark tank during his peak. Carvalho and Halsey both have too big of holes to have ever made noise imo, though Rafael was more durable than Brandon so he could've at least stuck around on prelims or something like that, I think Brandon would've washed out in quick order.

WW is the most interesting one for me tbh, we had actual UFC contenders make the jump to Bellator while they were either at their peak (Larkin) or near it, plus a vet like Daley. Lima and Koreshkov do share similar deficiencies in the wrestling department that could've cost them, moreso for Douglas, but I think they would've stayed ranked for a long time if they had crossed over. Maybe not held the belt, but they would've given a pretty good fight to any of the title holders/contenders at the time post-GSP.

LW we know what Eddie did.... and Will Brooks :( would've been fun to see Chandler as a younger guy in there though.

FW Pitbull and Curran could've tussled with the best, but I do think a decade ago we weren't seeing the best Pitbull so he would've taken some Ls as he moved up the ranks. Over time he really improved his striking game defensively (Straus and Weichel both picked him apart at times, though he was always able to score comebacks if needed) which I think really made him into the dominant force of FW everyone knew he was capable of being.

BW Dudu is the only interesting champ imo, and he lost his edge after the Warren loss. Tyson loss was also rough, but shit happens. If he was willing to be dynamic and aggressive then he could've had some nice moments, but if it was the Dudu who was just coasting, I don't think he would've gone very far. Overall though, lack of wrestling would've killed his title chances. I guess Caldwell counts as an old champ too, but I really don't know what to make of him. Especially not after his cardio went to shit.

Any non-titleholders come to mind that could've stuck around the rankings (Sanchez, Weichel, Teixeira, ect)?
 
Any non-titleholders come to mind that could've stuck around the rankings (Sanchez, Weichel, Teixeira, ect)?
Weichel was underrated and I think he would have been ranked. Kinda pillowfisted but in his prime he was a hard guy to win against.

Honestly a pioneer of European MMA, he was doing it in the early to mid 2000s in Europe when MMA was just some weird sport for weeaboos. Most of his early losses was fighting guys way up in weight, crazy to think a FW fought Paul Daley and Dan Hardy
 
Weichel was underrated and I think he would have been ranked. Kinda pillowfisted but in his prime he was a hard guy to win against.

Honestly a pioneer of European MMA, he was doing it in the early to mid 2000s in Europe when MMA was just some weird sport for weeaboos. Most of his early losses was fighting guys way up in weight, crazy to think a FW fought Paul Daley and Dan Hardy
<mma4>
 
Minakov was overrated as fuck. He really struggled to beat Cheick Kongo and went to the C-leagues in Russia for a couple years. I think that was a good measuring stick for how he would do in the UFC. There’s not a lot of stuff on Cole Konrad for me to make any kind of prediction on him. A sub win over Eric Pringles doesn’t tell me much.

Christian M’Pumbu would have washed out of the UFC before fighting any actual names at all. The Kyle Kingsbury types would have snuffed him. He looked terrible when he got ex-UFC guys like Rampage and Kendall Grove. Atila Vegh and Emanuel Newton were about the same caliber, maybe lower top 20. McGeary wasn’t that good but he could have threatened a few top 15 guys. He would have be able to beat aging guys like Evans, Shogun, and Hendo. The contenders like Glover and Gus would beat him handily.

Shlemenko would have been top 10 in pre-Strikeforce merger IMO. Could see him beating guys like Palhares, Belcher, and even a Michael Bisping. After Strikeforce merger, he would struggle but hold his own IMO. The Mousasi fight is a good indicator of this. Halsey would have been 50/50 with like Brad Tavares, Costa Phillippou, etc. No way he gets past the Rockhold, Romero, Brunson caliber of MW. Carvalho wasn’t very good tbh. I’d have a hard time seeing him break top 15.
 
Lyman Good. Was a pretty average fighter on the UFC undercards. Was able to look good against year 1 Bellator guys but that was really it. One Bellator's WW division was shaping up, he didn't look as good (pun intended). I don't think a UFC run back in 2010 would have gone much different. He's the Bellator WW champion nobody really thinks about.
Ben Askren would have been a lot of fun in the UFC back in 2010-2013. Pre-Strikeforce merger, he would have been able to get a fight against GSP IMO and held his own against Condit, Rory, Koscheck, Fitch, Alves etc. Post-Strikeforce merger, who knows? Prime Robbie Lawler, Tyron Woodley (who are friends or something?), and Johny Hendricks would have been too much for him IMO.

Michael Chandler did beat Benson Henderson when both were in their primes. He certainly could have won the UFC title had he gone earlier.
Patricky Pitbull was way too inconsistent to be top 15, even in his better days. Would have had fun fights here-and-there with Joe Lauzon, Clay Guida, Melvin Guillard, and Bobby Green type of guys. Gets beat by Michael Johnson/fringe contender type of guys.

Joe Warren would have struggled at UFC Featherweight in any era. Too one-dimensional IMO. He'd probably have some success with some of the top 15 guys. Don't see him beating KZ, Mendes, and certainly not Aldo. Would have had more success at UFC BW. At least top 10 there IMO.

Zach Makovsky.......well we saw. Had a pretty unspectacular UFC run. Marcos Galvao wouldn't be top 15 in the UFC either. UFC BW has always been far too competitive for Galvao to hang around. We kinda saw that with how Galvao got KO'd in the WEC by Damacio Page and Brian Bowles. Might have been able to beat like Chris Cariaso or something.
 
Last edited:
Karl Amoussou was a guy i thought was gonna get an UFC call. Dude wouldn't be top 10 for sure, but could have had some good scraps at the time.
 
Ridiculous how they let Minakov tie up the HW title for 2 years
The Bellator HW title scene was always a clusterfuck. Years back I actually went and looked up how many times the belt had been fought for and it was several times less than any other belt.
Minakov in his prime when he still gave a shit would have been a big problem.
Idk, the Kongo fight was pretty ugly and Cheick wasn't exactly a top contender during that time. His longevity carried him in Bellator, but it's not like he was lighting the world on fire in the UFC when he got cut.

Vitaly should've finished him or at the very least dominated him, but he didn't and then fucked off to play politics for a while. It's a shame his career played out the way it did tho.
 
Any non-titleholders come to mind that could've stuck around the rankings (Sanchez, Weichel, Teixeira, ect)?
I'd have to look and see but Weichel was probably the best non-champ Bellator had. He gave Pitbull hell twice.
 
The Bellator HW title scene was always a clusterfuck. Years back I actually went and looked up how many times the belt had been fought for and it was several times less than any other belt.

Idk, the Kongo fight was pretty ugly and Cheick wasn't exactly a top contender during that time. His longevity carried him in Bellator, but it's not like he was lighting the world on fire in the UFC when he got cut.

Vitaly should've finished him or at the very least dominated him, but he didn't and then fucked off to play politics for a while. It's a shame his career played out the way it did tho.

He said he was sick during that fight, I know a lot of fighters say that but his performances before that and then the way he absolutely manhandled Tim Johnson afterwards made me inclined to believe him.
 
Back
Top