Old Bare Knuckle Boxing's Effectiveness?

[zapataxiv]

That's good, because these specific stirkes techniques with bare fingers cannot be used in MMA cos rules and gloves and are from my opinion more complicated for any applications than open hands hand - knife , hand - spear straight or angled...

It’s true I guess but it’s kind of missing the point of a martial art. While it may utilize techniques like Phoenix eye punches, small joint manipulation, back of the hand etc.. those are just techniques the actual knowledge of the martial art is how to get to the position to do those techniques. Ie. Move, stand , defend and attack. Different techniques can gauge different distances and require different stances but at the core all martial arts require you t develop the ability to understand manipulate those areas.

 

[SandisLL]

That's correct, thank you.
I just had opinion, that they maybe aren't trained to use fists as in boxing etc arts, because most of these Kung Fu demonstration pictures I saw, were with these open hands and strange fingers positions.

 

[zapataxiv]

That's correct, thank you.
I just had opinion, that they maybe aren't trained to use fists as in boxing etc arts, because most of these Kung Fu demonstration pictures I saw, were with these open hands and strange fingers positions.

Well since the art is based mostly around parrying and trapping it’s mostly about open palm postion to gripping.

 

[SandisLL]

That's even better.

 

[SandisLL]

Boxing and archeology findings.
Ancient Greek boxing. Minoan culture c 1650 BC fresco a krotiri with two youths fight.
Egyptian Thebes c 1350 BC sculpture.
Earliest known deciption in Sumerian relief, Iraq, c ~ 3000 BC.

There are assumptions that boxing roots are at least 5000 years olds.

 

[shinkyoku]

Boxing and archeology findings.
Ancient Greek boxing. Minoan culture c 1650 BC fresco a krotiri with two youths fight.
Egyptian Thebes c 1350 BC sculpture.
Earliest known deciption in Sumerian relief, Iraq, c ~ 3000 BC.

There are assumptions that boxing roots are at least 5000 years olds.

Or atleast that people punched each other back then. Claiming that boxing of today somehow is based on skills transmitted since back then is a bit asinine. You could just as easily claim that ANY art with punches descends from what is shown on those pieces of archaeology.
Lets face it. Punching is punching, and people has been punching each other since before we evolved into homo sapiens.
Skills has been invented, refined, lost and reinvented from basic slugging innumerable times, because we are all using the same tools.

 

[SandisLL]

I have no any intent to claim anything.

Ancient Rome banned fights with fists in 393 AD because considered them too brutal....
Egypet and Sumerian relief was with equal obstacles; if your legs are deeply in sand, you cannot kick enough fast. And there conclusion, why they used fists not legs.

About transmited skills, why not?
If hands position in Minoan culture fresco were like in barehands fighting 3500 years later, then...
How to hold hands and punch in ancient times how might be skills transfered to others?
Two mans fight. Others see it and before they try to fight, they decide, what methods worked in this " bout " and are trying to do what? Things they already saw that were most effective... That's the method of " skills transfer ".
The same skills transfer about any tools usage in ancient society. Majority of them then didn't knew how to write papers and didn't had them. Looks, see what methods works and repeat what? The most effective methods they had seen. In this manner any skills were polished and transfered trough generations in ancient society. Of course, if elders taught youngsters they taught what they knew, this also helped to polish any skills. For example how to make hammer, how better to use it etc.

 

[sourdiesel209]

Not defended more. The benefit of having a back foot heavy stance is that it takes your head out of the way of incoming punches. So the defense of the head is built into the stance. There is slot more to it than that also.

Well your head IS of off the center line but your opponent can still aim his right hand a bit downward if hes expecting you to be there all the time. Its easy to get stuck on that back foot.

Thats why I prefer to mix it up with a front foot heavy stance sometimes, which also lends itself better for countering and messes with your opponents distance control, since you appear closer than your feet really are (and the opposite happens with a back foot heavy stance).

 

[Sinister]

Having your head closer than your feet only messes with the opponent's distance control by making it easier to hit you.

 

[zapataxiv]

Well your head IS of off the center line but your opponent can still aim his right hand a bit downward if hes expecting you to be there all the time. Its easy to get stuck on that back foot.

Thats why I prefer to mix it up with a front foot heavy stance sometimes, which also lends itself better for countering and messes with your opponents distance control, since you appear closer than your feet really are (and the opposite happens with a back foot heavy stance).

I disagree almost totally with your assessment. Also ideally if you are using proper punching technique and movement your head isn’t in one place.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Having your head closer than your feet only messes with the opponent's distance control by making it easier to hit you.

What was the reason behind Jose Napoles and Nicolino Locche being front foot heavy? Or in other words are there any good reasons to be in a front foot heavy stance and how can you mitigate the risk of being closer to your opponent?

 

[zapataxiv]

What was the reason behind Jose Napoles and Nicolino Locche being front foot heavy? Or in other words are there any good reasons to be in a front foot heavy stance and how can you mitigate the risk of being closer to your opponent?

Napoli’s wasn’t front foot heavy. He was pretty much always on the back foot except for when he was improvising. But his back footed ness was one of the reasons why he had such a killer right hand (straight and uppercut)

 

[sourdiesel209]

Having your head closer than your feet only messes with the opponent's distance control by making it easier to hit you.

Tell that to Floyd Mayweather Jr.!

 

[sourdiesel209]

What was the reason behind Jose Napoles and Nicolino Locche being front foot heavy? Or in other words are there any good reasons to be in a front foot heavy stance and how can you mitigate the risk of being closer to your opponent?

Its better for countering. Your head may be closer to your opponent, but your making him aim at your center line while having more space to actually move your head off the center (via fading back or slippin). Basically its a bait.