Media Oh boy. Max aint looking good.

Way different. I don't know how anyone wouldn't notice that?
Isn't that exactly how he sounded last time before he got pulled?
 
Arkham's Notorious Geyser said:
That or it could be that some days he just has more energy than others, he started fighting young, so he was probably full of energy more, he was more vibrant, more uppity, but as he's matured, he doesn't talk so fast, he takes his time as to not skip over words. He sounds more mature than the kid who started fighting in the UFC at 19, he's gonna sound different, the dudes practically grown up in front of our eyes.

You look at Conor when he was just starting he was the same way, full of energy, fast talking, and now that he's older, he's more mellowed out, still kinda crazy, but mellowed up and speaks at pace he's comfortable with, for Max it could be the same thing.
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He's showing the signs of brain damage. I've personally witnessed it happen around me and from watching boxing for years, and MMA later. The signs aren't good, there were lots of reports on what caused him to drop out. I would say over half of these are potential career-ending injuries. Regardless of this result, Max needs to take a year off at minimum and no longer fight at FW. He's cutting way too much weight and potentially drying out vital organs. Fighters have died from this.
 
Dude had every test you can. I'm pretty sure his brain is ok.
This is just the way he sounds.
 
Jin Akutsu said:
He's showing the signs of brain damage. I've personally witnessed it happen around me and from watching boxing for years, and MMA later. The signs aren't good, there were lots of reports on what caused him to drop out. I would say over half of these are potential career-ending injuries. Regardless of this result, Max needs to take a year off at minimum and no longer fight at FW. He's cutting way too much weight and potentially drying out vital organs. Fighters have died from this.
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I'm not ruling out that this may be life threatening, or that he's probably suffering from brain damage, that's just not the first thing I want to go to. I agree wholeheartedly that he should move to a weight class(155) that he's not cutting so much weight, and that probably might happen, win or lose on Saturday. My thing is we still don't know for sure, so far, it looked like it was a one of, and Max is still investigating.

There are many ways to look at this, is cutting this much weight helping him? absolutely not, but that could be the extent of it, we don't know yet, and I'm choosing to remain on the more cautiously optimistic side of those issues being a one of.

All I'm saying is we have nothing concrete and people should wait before jumping to conclusions. I think him moving up will help immensely, but even with that, we still don't know definitively what was and still may be wrong with him.
 
usernamee said:
What stoppad him from fighting last time out could easily be due to brain trauma and in that case it has already begun
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yeah, you are probably right, its just he is young, has a kid, all the potential in the world to be a legend and he seems like a decent dude. i guess i am just hoping the dude gets to live a long decent life after he retires
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
so you're telling me the guy who took MORE punishment has less CTE??

are you sure you know how it works??
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People don't take damage like video game characters, where everyone is able to absorb the same amount. There are guys like Overeem, who have been knocked out repeatedly and are still able to compete at the highest level with essentially no effects on cognition that we've been able to observe from the outside. Then there's someone like Goodridge, who is likely the worst case of CTE we've seen in MMA so far and can't remember shit in his day to day life. Then there's a guy like TJ Grant, who doesn't seem punch drunk at all and should be in his prime but will never be able to fight again. Then there are guys like Mayhem or War Machine or even Jones who are all on a spectrum of having become increasingly impulsive and unable to control themselves, as they've eaten more shots. These are all possibilities and they're all equally unpredictable.

Holloway appears to be a case of someone's chin being too strong for his own good. He takes damage better than his opponents in the fight, but that just means he gets to hang around longer and win. It doesn't mean shit when it comes to the effect that the damage is having on his brain.
 
he's always had "problems" with his words
his vocabulary might not be the best but at least we can understand what he says for the most part unlike say Nick Diaz
 
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It's hard for me to tell with Max.

He's always talked like he has glue in his mouth. Stipe is the same way.
 
He's been sounding like that for years, same as Nate and Gaehtje.
 
OCEANCIDAL said:
People don't take damage like video game characters, where everyone is able to absorb the same amount. There are guys like Overeem, who have been knocked out repeatedly and are still able to compete at the highest level with essentially no effects on cognition that we've been able to observe from the outside. Then there's someone like Goodridge, who is likely the worst case of CTE we've seen in MMA so far and can't remember shit in his day to day life. Then there's a guy like TJ Grant, who doesn't seem punch drunk at all and should be in his prime but will never be able to fight again. Then there are guys like Mayhem or War Machine or even Jones who are all on a spectrum of having become increasingly impulsive and unable to control themselves, as they've eaten more shots. These are all possibilities and they're all equally unpredictable.

Holloway appears to be a case of someone's chin being too strong for his own good. He takes damage better than his opponents in the fight, but that just means he gets to hang around longer and win. It doesn't mean shit when it comes to the effect that the damage is having on his brain.
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i think it has nothing to do with the Aldo fights like you and others are implying here. it has more to do with his training in my opinion. if he really has CTE he didn't get it from a single fight or a couple fights, and it didn't just happen over night. CTE is an accumulation of damage over years, not something that just appears after a single fight.

he's either slowly been slipping for years and nobody has noticed it until now or everyone is making nothing out of something they don't know anything about.

i don't know if anyone watches boxing, but those guys take YEARS before their speech starts to get fucked up. they don't just turn into a mush mouth after a single fight.
 
thought this was bullshit but you can actually hear the difference he slurs heavier now so something isn't right with him, I think Ortega is going to smash him but i hope max takes some heavy time off.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
i think it has nothing to do with the Aldo fights like you and others are implying here. it has more to do with his training in my opinion. if he really has CTE he didn't get it from a single fight or a couple fights, and it didn't just happen over night. CTE is an accumulation of damage over years, not something that just appears after a single fight.

he's either slowly been slipping for years and nobody has noticed it until now or everyone is making nothing out of something they don't know anything about.

i don't know if anyone watches boxing, but those guys take YEARS before their speech starts to get fucked up. they don't just turn into a mush mouth after a single fight.
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I didn't imply that, I said that's not how CTE works, because it isn't. Guys don't take damage the same, that's a fact. It isn't as simple as Holloway won the fights so he's better off afterward than Aldo is. We simply don't know how those fights have affected both men. That's all I was trying to get across.

As far as the comparison to boxing, that doesn't really hold up either. Boxers historically have not cut weight at anywhere near the level we're seeing in MMA today, and Holloway is one of the biggest weight cutters in the sport. One bad cut could've allowed him to step in there with a lack of fluid around his brain to cushion it and resulted in far more damage than he otherwise would've suffered.

Also, a single fight can absolutely leave a man punch drunk, even before you take the brutal weight cut into consideration. That's not how it generally happens, but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. Holloway is still growing and his frame is filling out. It very easily could be as simple as two bad weight cuts against Aldo led to irreversible damage from the punches he took in those fights. Or maybe it was the years of sparring catching up to him, like you said. I'm just saying that we don't know and that fighters take damage differently.
 
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