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[Dizzy]

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I wouldn't say it's horrifically large.. especially compared to the likely size of the PS5.

The PS5 is longer but much thinner, this is a large cube. Volume wise they’re probably similar but I like that there’s an actual design on the PS5.

 

[Sycho Sid]

I am pretty skeptical as to the quality of a 200$ next gen xbox

 

[Madmick]

I am pretty skeptical as to the quality of a 200$ next gen xbox

Perhaps. The Nintendo Switch debuted at $299, and was selling for $249 at Best Buy not long after launch.

If it's really a distinct variant, not a digital-only version, and it's really going to sell for this cheap, I would wonder if it just carries similar processing power as the Xbox One, but on the updated architecture with identical layout to the XSX, and the new OS that will come with the latter. No Blu-Ray. No SSD. No expansion to 16GB RAM. Maybe slower WiFi and older ports because it doesn't need the newer, marginally more expensive ones. This probably relieves the manufacturing load on the more sophisticated facilities.

After all, the Xbox One itself will have 100% backwards compatibility. This could just be a way to simplify that, since it would come with the new OS, and perhaps more importantly, to offer a newer product, because many ignorant consumers are more likely to be enticed by something new in electronics just because it's new, and not because it's better. The subconscious bias of new=better is profound in electronics.

It's a product targeting the layover 1080p market. It isn't messing around with 4K/8K.

 

[4daLuLZ]

Perhaps. The Nintendo Switch debuted at $299, and was selling for $249 at Best Buy not long after launch.

If it's really a distinct variant, not a digital-only version, and it's really going to sell for this cheap, I would wonder if it just carries similar processing power as the Xbox One, but on the updated architecture with identical layout to the XSX, and the new OS that will come with the latter. No Blu-Ray. No SSD. No expansion to 16GB RAM. Maybe slower WiFi and older ports because it doesn't need the newer, marginally more expensive ones. This probably relieves the manufacturing load on the more sophisticated facilities.

After all, the Xbox One itself will have 100% backwards compatibility. This could just be a way to simplify that, since it would come with the new OS, and perhaps more importantly, to offer a newer product, because many ignorant consumers are more likely to be enticed by something new in electronics just because it's new, and not because it's better. The subconscious bias of new=better is profound in electronics.

It's a product targeting the layover 1080p market. It isn't messing around with 4K/8K.

I think it’s aimed to be a more direct competitor, hardware wise, to the PS5. Maybe even a bit lower. Like XBox Lockhart < PS5 < XSX.
But with all the essential hardware upgrades that make this a new gen console. That means yes to the SSD. Without that SSD it isn’t going to be considered "new" or sell in enough numbers to justify its manufacture. It’ll just be a Xbox One X+.

The Lockhart will be at a much lower price point than a PS5 though.
Still getting a PS5

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Maybe Lockhart will be much smaller, like the size of an Xbone, and accordingly less powerful and cheaper.

50% the size, 50% the power, 50% the price

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

I sold my xbox one x recently, I don't think I used to once the past year.

 

[SaiWa]

Perhaps. The Nintendo Switch debuted at $299, and was selling for $249 at Best Buy not long after launch.

link or proof to this claim.

Switch didn’t get discounted for a long while. More than year if not two holiday seasons if my memory is correct. The switch has been selling like hot cakes. The only discount I am aware of is when they released the upgraded version with the better battery life and all the older models got discounted or bundled with extra shit but that would have been late last year in 2019. Have not checked recent Switch prices lately.

 

[Steve-French]

link or proof to this claim.

Switch didn’t get discounted for a long while. More than year if not two holiday seasons if my memory is correct. The switch has been selling like hot cakes. The only discount I am aware of is when they released the upgraded version with the better battery life and all the older models got discounted or bundled with extra shit but that would have been late last year in 2019. Have not checked recent Switch prices lately.

You can't even get a switch right now unless you want to pay like $500 from a second hand buyer. They ran out of stock as a bunch of people bought them when everyone started quarantining. I was kicking around the idea of getting one and I couldn't find one anywhere from first party sellers.

 

[SaiWa]

You can't even get a switch right now unless you want to pay like $500 from a second hand buyer. They ran out of stock as a bunch of people bought them when everyone started quarantining. I was kicking around the idea of getting one and I couldn't find one anywhere from first party sellers.

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yeah I was aware of that..

I have actually have an extra sitting around for no reason. The new version. Not sure whether I want to open it up and have a 2nd Switch or sell it.. Meh I am lazy.. might just hang onto it.

 

[Madmick]

link or proof to this claim.

Switch didn’t get discounted for a long while. More than year if not two holiday seasons if my memory is correct. The switch has been selling like hot cakes. The only discount I am aware of is when they released the upgraded version with the better battery life and all the older models got discounted or bundled with extra shit but that would have been late last year in 2019. Have not checked recent Switch prices lately.

I don't consider a year to be long, but that's because I don't think in terms of Nintendo's 3-year console lives, I suppose. I don't know of a price tracker for BB, but it was already hitting $259 sales by the holidays of 2017 at major outlets like Rakuten/Toys R Us:
https://slickdeals.net/e/11095363-nintendo-switch-console-w-gray-joy-con-for-259-99-free-shipping-toys-r-us-via-rakuten?attrsrc=Test:ElasticsearchIntegration:Elasticsearch_rev1&src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

Besides, the point is towards the viability of economics for a console with relevant processing power at $199 price point. The Nintendo Switch uses the exact same chipset as the NVIDIA Shield TV, but comes with less RAM and less storage, and price trackers reveal the Shield TV was coming in the bundle with its dual-analog controller and remote controller at Amazon for $199 by May of 2017.

Did you have some insight into hardware BoMs to offer?

 

[SaiWa]

I don't consider a year to be long, but that's because I don't think in terms of Nintendo's 3-year console lives, I suppose. I don't know of a price tracker for BB, but it was already hitting $259 sales by the holidays of 2017 at major outlets like Rakuten/Toys R Us:
https://slickdeals.net/e/11095363-nintendo-switch-console-w-gray-joy-con-for-259-99-free-shipping-toys-r-us-via-rakuten?attrsrc=Test:ElasticsearchIntegration:Elasticsearch_rev1&src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

Besides, the point is towards the viability of economics for a console with relevant processing power at $199 price point. The Nintendo Switch uses the exact same chipset as the NVIDIA Shield TV, but comes with less RAM and less storage, and price trackers reveal the Shield TV was coming in the bundle with its dual-analog controller and remote controller at Amazon for $199 by May of 2017.

Did you have some insight into hardware BoMs to offer?

Slickdeals is not Best Buy. There’s no way any of these big outlets would sell the Switch at that price point in 2017. There was no need for it because there was a large demand for the Switch.

ToysrUs was going through bankruptcy and had even less reason to sell something way under its market value. There was a price watch on the Nintendo Switch thread and we would have known if it was selling for 249 anywhere legit. It wasn’t...

 

[Madmick]

Slickdeals is not Best Buy. There’s no way any of these big outlets would sell the Switch at that price point in 2017. There was no need for it because there was a large demand for the Switch.

ToysrUs was going through bankruptcy and had even less reason to sell something way under its market value. There was a price watch on the Nintendo Switch thread and we would have known if it was selling for 249 anywhere legit. It wasn’t...

I don't care about exact details of price history, here. You're consuming yourself with an irrelevant nitpick. My point was to observe that the Switch is a valid console in the console race, and it has hit a $249 price point from retailers, and long (since a year is long) before the launch of this possible Xbox Series S. Within the context of my post, it's not even required as an example. It's about 1/4th as powerful as the original PS4, and various bundles of the PS4 / PS4 Slim (as well as the Xbox One S) have been selling for between $229-$279 over the past year and a half or so on those major retail outlets like Amazon, Best Buy, Target, etc.

This was simply to highlight that you can put out a legitimate 1080p machine that is attractive to consumers quite near to that range. It definitely sounds like Microsoft would be selling at a loss, but that was normal for console generations prior to the PS4/XB1, and it's more credible Microsoft would consider this to regain market share against their prime competitor, Sony, who has all the momentum right now. It would just so happen to also be a great way to undercut Nintedo's appeal on the cheapness factor; as well as all the other pseudo-competitors (NVIDIA Shield, Apple TV, Stadia Chromecast 4K, etc).

After all, considering analysis of BoM on the PS4 hardware, there's no way Microsoft could sell a standard XSX for $399, and not incur a steep loss on every unit. That's why I'm partial to that one analyst's speculation that if the Lockhart is indeed a separate product, the $199/$399/$499 makes the most sense.

• $199 = Xbox Series S (Lockhart)
• $399 = Xbox Series X (Digital-Only)
• $499 = Xbox Series X

 

[SaiWa]

I don't care about exact details of price history, here. You're consuming yourself with an irrelevant nitpick. My point was to observe that the Switch is a valid console in the console race, and it has hit a $249 price point from retailers, and long (since a year is long) before the launch of this possible Xbox Series S. Within the context of my post, it's not even required as an example. It's about 1/4th as powerful as the original PS4, and various bundles of the PS4 / PS4 Slim (as well as the Xbox One S) has been selling for between $229-$279 over the past year and a half or so on those major retail outlets like Amazon, Best Buy, Target, etc.

My point was simply to highlight that you can put out a legitimate 1080p machine that is attractive to consumers quite near to that range. It definitely sounds like Microsoft would be selling at a loss, but that was normal for console generations prior to the PS4/XB1, and it's more credible Microsoft would consider this to regain market share against their prime competitor, Sony, who has all the momentum right now. It would just so happen to also be a great way to undercut Nintedo's appeal on the cheapness factor; as well as all the other pseudo-competitors (NVIDIA Shield, Apple TV, Stadia Chromecast 4K, etc).

After all, considering analysis of BoM on the PS4 hardware, there's no way Microsoft could sell a standard XSX for $399, and not incur a steep loss on every unit. That's why I'm partial to that one analyst's speculation that if the Lockhart is indeed a separate product, the $199/$399/$499 makes the most sense.

• $199 = Xbox Series S (Lockhart)
• $399 = Xbox Series X (Digital-Only)
• $499 = Xbox Series X

I don't a give a flying hoot about all this nonsense.

All I am saying is you're dead wrong about the Switch being priced at $249 shortly after release and I was correcting you on that point. None of the big retailers were selling the Switch for any less than $299.99 for a good 2 years or so. It went through the holiday 2017 and 2018 at that price. It was a solid two years or more before the price actually dropped and even then it was to sell older models.

https://bgr.com/2018/11/28/nintendo-switch-sales-black-friday-cyber-monday/

It was competing against PS4 Slim and Xbox One bundles priced at $200 and still outselling them in Holiday 2018.

Instead of admitting you were wrong you doubled down and pulled a stupid slickdeal link that didn't proved your point.

 

[4daLuLZ]

I don't a give a flying hoot about all this nonsense.

All I am saying is you're dead wrong about the Switch being priced at $249 shortly after release and I was correcting you on that point. None of the big retailers were selling the Switch for any less than $299.99 for a good 2 years or so. It went through the holiday 2017 and 2018 at that price. It was a solid two years or more before the price actually dropped and even then it was to sell older models.

https://bgr.com/2018/11/28/nintendo-switch-sales-black-friday-cyber-monday/

It was competing against PS4 Slim and Xbox One bundles priced at $200 and still outselling them in Holiday 2018.

Instead of admitting you were wrong you doubled down and pulled a stupid slickdeal link that didn't proved your point.

I think @Madmick has conceded that point. Imo he’s trying to say that the Switch has shown that any reasonable console priced at or near around 275 - 300$, even with inferior hardware but solid software support, can be a market leader.
All the major retailers would sell it like hot cakes.

What I think he’s overlooking is Nintendo's brand cachet. People buy it because Nintendo has rebranded itself as a “fun” brand with easy, family oriented, pick up n play games.
These kind of games don’t require powerful hardware. That keeps the price low which in turn drives sales even more.
But my point is, Nintendo sells well because they’re the only big company that’s catering to the super casual family gamers. The price point is more like a 1b thing.

If Sony or Microsoft try that, it won’t work. It’ll just be a shitty box. As for MS, why build a Xbone X+ when they already have the X. It’ll be a waste of resources.

They can build a lower spec model but they can only save costs with minor changes like cheaper casing, digital only, maybe a lower spec CPU (near PS5 level).

But everything else SSD, Ray Tracing etc etc will have to stay. That’s why I think the lowest spec one is going to be in the 300s and XSX will be around 500 ( -/+ 50).

 

[Plissken]

Xbox Series S (Lockhart): Price, specs, release date and what to expect

Another link about the leak:
https://www.whathifi.com/us/news/xbox-series-x-could-be-double-the-price-of-digital-only-xbox-lockhart#:~:text=The rumoured all-digital version,to an anonymous Microsoft insider.
So it looks like Microsoft may actually also have a cheaper Digital-only version, like the PS5, but also an even cheaper less powerful variant. It's not clear.

CLIFFS: LATEST RUMORED MSRP

• $399 = Xbox Series X
• $199 = Xbox Series S (Lockhart)

Insiders don't expect official price announcements until August.

Gamecube won the sixth generation console wars: confirmed.

 

[Madmick]

I don't a give a flying hoot about all this nonsense.

All I am saying is you're dead wrong about the Switch being priced at $249 shortly after release and I was correcting you on that point. None of the big retailers were selling the Switch for any less than $299.99 for a good 2 years or so. It went through the holiday 2017 and 2018 at that price. It was a solid two years or more before the price actually dropped and even then it was to sell older models.

https://bgr.com/2018/11/28/nintendo-switch-sales-black-friday-cyber-monday/

It was competing against PS4 Slim and Xbox One bundles priced at $200 and still outselling them in Holiday 2018.

Instead of admitting you were wrong you doubled down and pulled a stupid slickdeal link that didn't proved your point.

I think @Madmick has conceded that point. Imo he’s trying to say that the Switch has shown that any reasonable console priced at or near around 275 - 300$, even with inferior hardware but solid software support, can be a market leader.
All the major retailers would sell it like hot cakes.

What I think he’s overlooking is Nintendo's brand cachet. People buy it because Nintendo has rebranded itself as a “fun” brand with easy, family oriented, pick up n play games.
These kind of games don’t require powerful hardware. That keeps the price low which in turn drives sales even more.

But my point is, Nintendo sells well because they’re the only big company that’s catering to the super casual family gamers. The price point is more like a 1b thing.

If Sony or Microsoft try that, it won’t work. It’ll just be a shitty box. As for MS, why build a Xbone X when they already have the X. It’ll be a waste of resources.

They can build a lower spec model but they can only save costs with minor changes like cheaper casing, digital only, maybe a lower spec CPU (near PS5 level).

But everything else SSD, Ray Tracing etc etc will have to stay. That’s why I think the lowest spec one is going to be in the 300s and XSX will be around 500 ( -/+ 50).

Yes, this was my point. I only pointed to the Switch because of its market presence. The fact the Switch carries the exact same chipset as the NVIDIA Shield which was selling for $199 a mere two months after the Switch's launch (with the most costly accessory included) at the peak of its sales substantiates the thrust of my point; $199 is a realistic price point for a quality product with sufficient processing power to be competitive in the console wars.

Certainly the Switch has its unique appeal, I've summarized that in a past post, but I wasn't addressing that. I was addressing the concern about quality at a $199 price point. It's low. It's really low. So I'm also cautious to accept this rumor, even for a nerfed Xbox, but I'm simply pointing out this could signal a paradigm shift in console strategies. Resolution scaling has advanced a great deal, and while 4K TVs have become the norm on shelves, still only 31% of American households even have one. So why wouldn't Microsoft offer a lesser product targeting the 69%?

The main concern of a businessman isn't so much the possibility of placing a product at that price point. The main concern is undercutting their own more costly offering.

 

[evergreenrider]

Let's get caught up in the in the brass tacks of a possibly misquoted price range at the wrong time. That really drives a conversation for next gen hardware pricing strategies

 

[jefferz]

I don't a give a flying hoot about all this nonsense.

All I am saying is you're dead wrong about the Switch being priced at $249 shortly after release and I was correcting you on that point. None of the big retailers were selling the Switch for any less than $299.99 for a good 2 years or so. It went through the holiday 2017 and 2018 at that price. It was a solid two years or more before the price actually dropped and even then it was to sell older models.

https://bgr.com/2018/11/28/nintendo-switch-sales-black-friday-cyber-monday/

It was competing against PS4 Slim and Xbox One bundles priced at $200 and still outselling them in Holiday 2018.

Instead of admitting you were wrong you doubled down and pulled a stupid slickdeal link that didn't proved your point.

Welcome to the world of madmick. He won’t ever admit he’s wrong and will throw a wall of text at you trying to change the topic so he can “win”.

 

[4daLuLZ]

Let's get caught up in the in the brass tacks of a possibly misquoted price range at the wrong time. That really drives a conversation for next gen hardware pricing strategies

You think major companies like Amazon and Sony do oopsies like this ?

It’s a fishing expedition. They put out the 700 dollar price. See how much stick it gets which will determine its upper limit. Alternatively, if you later announce a 500 price point, you get to watch everybody breathe a sigh of relief that it’s not 700.

Same with the 500 dollar “mistake” announcement. You again see what the response is. Is it meh, is it mild annoyance or is everybody up in arms and expecting a 4-450 buck console.

These two back to back "mistakes " makes me believe that Sony is rightfully worried about price.

If they do let MS announce first and they come out with some ridiculous 400 or 450 price point, Sony going to have some problems with sales in the first year. Lower or same priced and a more powerful spec console n Gamepass ?

I think Sony will crack first and announce their price and that gives it a chance it will be lower than what they would want.

Yay for us, I guess.

 

[method115]

You think major companies like Amazon and Sony do oopsies like this ?

It’s a fishing expedition. They put out the 700 dollar price. See how much stick it gets which will determine its upper limit. Alternatively, if you later announce a 500 price point, you get to watch everybody breathe a sigh of relief that it’s not 700.

Same with the 500 dollar “mistake” announcement. You again see what the response is. Is it meh, is it mild annoyance or is everybody up in arms and expecting a 4-450 buck console.

These two back to back "mistakes " makes me believe that Sony is rightfully worried about price.

If they do let MS announce first and they come out with some ridiculous 400 or 450 price point, Sony going to have some problems with sales in the first year. Lower or same priced and a more powerful spec console n Gamepass ?

I think Sony will crack first and announce their price and that gives it a chance it will be lower than what they would want.

Yay for us, I guess.

Ya there's been to many mistakes with the price for me to believe it's a mistake. Not sure it means they are worried could just be a way for them to gauge public opinion.