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[rikwebb]

Usually setup like this if this helps anyone

 

[Madmick]

Usually setup like this if this helps anyone

Why are the thumbs seemingly sharing duties for just one button while the left pinky is completely uninvolved? I guess it's because each thumb handles the other buttons to either side?

 

[mixmastermo]

Usually setup like this if this helps anyone

Thanks for sharing but this isn't making me any less confused. I don't think I could use it either with my Shane Carwin sized hands. If the buttons on the right side were spaced out some more maybe I could understand it

 

[SwamiLeoni]

Thanks for sharing but this isn't making me any less confused. I don't think I could use it either with my Shane Carwin sized hands. If the buttons on the right side were spaced out some more maybe I could understand it

Personally, I've never tried a hitbox but a lot of people swear by them. They look strange to me as well but if I ever get back into fighting games, I'm going to giver it a shot.

 

[Dizzy]

Glad to see Silksong is alive.

 

[Strychnine]

 

[PEB]

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Usually setup like this if this helps anyone

It's like if Sonic were fingering Tails' arsehole...

 

[TeTe]

Outer Worlds 2 on game pass Oct 29... Damn backlog is going to grow!

 

[The Clark]

So, Xbox is putting their games on PlayStation. PlayStation is putting their games on Steam, which means you'll be able to play them on this handheld Xbox hardware. What a world.

 

[Madmick]

So, Xbox is putting their games on PlayStation. PlayStation is putting their games on Steam, which means you'll be able to play them on this handheld Xbox hardware. What a world.

Was just looking over the specifications today. It's going to be more powerful than the Series S in every way except (V)RAM bandwidth. The TFLOPS are actually superior to the base PS5. Crazy.

Looks like the base version and "X" version will be identical except the latter will have the neural processing units that come with the Z2 Extreme chip. I am skeptical it will be worth the rumored price increase. I don't recall seeing anything yet that suggests that AMD's FSR, even version 4.0, makes good use of NPU cores yet.

*Edit* Correction. The base version does not use the non-AI variant of the Z2 Extreme chipset. It uses a different chipset altogether: a refresh of the same chipset used in the Steam Deck. They also have different RAM amounts. The below GPU figures for the ASUS ROG Ally (base version) may be wrong. Here are Techpowerup's tentative figures for the chip putting it at the same performance as the Steam Deck despite being a refresh:

AMD Ryzen Z2 A GPU Specs

AMD Van Gogh, 1600 MHz, 512 Cores, 32 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 16384 MB LPDDR5, 800 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Console	Nintendo Switch 2 (Portable)	Steam Deck OLED	ASUS ROG Ally Xbox X	ASUS ROG Ally Xbox	ASUS ROG Ally X (2024)	ASUG ROG Ally	Xbox Series S
Display	120Hz LCD (IPS?)	120Hz OLED	120Hz Type?	120Hz Type?	120Hz IPS	120Hz IPS	N/A
CPU Core/Thread Count	8 / 8	4 / 8	8 / 16	4 / 8	8 / 16	6 / 12	8 / 16
CPU Frequency	1.1 GHz	3.5 GHz	5.0 GHz	3.8 GHz	3.8 GHz	4.9 GHz	3.6 GHz (3.4GHz@16 threads)
CPU Architecture	ARM v8.2 (Dec-2016)	AMD Zen 2 (July-2019)	AMD Zen 5 (Aug-2024)	AMD Zen 5 (Aug-2024)	AMD Zen 4 (Sep-2022)	AMD Zen 4 (Sep-2022)	AMD Zen 2 (July-2019)
Age of CPU Ark @launch	102 months	50 months	~15 months?	~15 months?	22 months	12 months	16 months
Pixel Bandwidth	13.5	25.6	129.6	28.8 (?)	86.4	20.0	50.1
Textel Bandwidth	26.9	51.2	172.8	57.6 (?)	129.6	40.0	125.2
TFLOPS	1.72	1.64	11.06	1.84 (?)	8.29	2.56	4.01
VRAM Bandwidth	68.3	88.0	128.0	68.3 (?)	102.4	102.4	224.0 (8GB) 56.0 (2GB)
(V)RAM Capacity	12GB	16GB	24GB	16GB	24GB	16GB	10GB
GPU Architecture	NVIDIA Ampere (May-2020)	AMD RDNA 2.0 (Oct-2020)	AMD RDNA 3.5 (May-2024)	AMD RDNA 2.0 (Oct-2020)	AMD RDNA 3.0 (Dec-2022)	AMD RDNA 3.0 (Dec-2022)	AMD RDNA 2.0 (Oct-2020)
Age of GPU Ark @launch	61 months	37 months	~18 months?	~61 months?	19 months	9 months	1 month
Console Release	Jun-2025	Nov-2023	Holidays 2025	Holidays 2025	July-2024	Sep-2023	Nov-2020

 

[method115]

Was just looking over the specifications today. It's going to be more powerful than the Series S in every way except (V)RAM bandwidth. The TFLOPS are actually superior to the base PS5. Crazy.

Looks like the base version and "X" version will be identical except the latter will have the neural processing units that come with the Z2 Extreme chip. I am skeptical it will be worth the rumored price increase. I don't recall seeing anything yet that suggests that AMD's FSR, even version 4.0, makes good use of NPU cores yet.

Console	Nintendo Switch 2 (Portable)	Nintendo Switch (Portable)	Steam Deck (OLED)	ASUS ROG Ally Xbox / X	ASUS ROG Ally X (2024)	ASUG ROG Ally	Xbox Series S
CPU Core/Thread Count	8 / 8	4* / 4	4 / 8	8 / 16	8 / 16	6 / 12	8 / 16
CPU Frequency	1.1 GHz	1.02 GHz	3.5 GHz	5.0 GHz	5.1 GHz	4.9 GHz	3.6 GHz (3.4GHz@16 threads)
CPU Architecture	ARMv8.2 (Dec-2016)	ARMv8.0 (Oct-2011)	AMD Zen 2 (July-2019)	AMD Zen 5 (Aug-2024)	AMD Zen 4 (Sep-2022)	AMD Zen 4 (Sep-2022)	AMD Zen 2 (July-2019)
Age of CPU Ark @launch	102 months	41 months	31 months	~15 months?	22 months	12 months	16 months
Pixel Bandwidth	13.5	12.3	25.6	129.6	86.4	20.0	50.1
Textel Bandwidth	26.9	12.3	51.2	172.8	129.6	40.0	125.2
TFLOPS	1.72	0.39	1.64	11.06	8.29	2.56	4.01
VRAM Bandwidth	68.3	25.6	88.0	128.0	102.4	102.4	224.0 (8GB) 56.0 (2GB)
(V)RAM Capacity	12GB	4GB	16GB	16GB / 24GB	24GB	16GB	10GB
GPU Architecture	NVIDIA Ampere (May-2020)	NVIDIA Maxwell 2.0 (Sep-2014)	AMD RDNA 2.0 (Oct-2020)	AMD RDNA 3.5 (May-2024)	AMD RDNA 3.0 (Dec-2022)	AMD RDNA 3.0 (Dec-2022)	AMD RDNA 2.0 (Oct-2020)
Age of GPU Ark @launch	61 months	30 months	16 months	~18 months?	19 months	9 months	1 month
Console Release	Jun-2025	Mar-2017	Feb-2022	Holidays 2025	July-2024	Sep-2023	Nov-2020

I'm really wondering what the price will be for this will be. I think we are looking at $900 easily. Asus recently increased the prices of all their devices.

 

[avenue94]

Looks like the base version and "X" version will be identical except the latter will have the neural processing units that come with the Z2 Extreme chip. I am skeptical it will be worth the rumored price increase. I don't recall seeing anything yet that suggests that AMD's FSR, even version 4.0, makes good use of NPU cores yet.

The base version's chip is massively cut down, even without mentioning the NPU. The NPU screams classic Microsoft fuckery and is a headscratcher, higher production costs for no real benefits atm.

 

[avenue94]

I'm really wondering what the price will be for this will be. I think we are looking at $900 easily. Asus recently increased the prices of all their devices.

I wouldnt be surprised if it hits 999 or even more. They were the slowest to shift production and are last in line with a lot of ODMs outside of China, so they've had real trouble hitting laptop volumes in the US.

 

[Madmick]

The base version's chip is massively cut down, even without mentioning the NPU. The NPU screams classic Microsoft fuckery and is a headscratcher, higher production costs for no real benefits atm.

Please link me the report specifying what the cut down pipelines will be, then, because I'll have to revise my above table to account for it.

*Edit*
Okay, I took the time to find it myself. It's not a cut down version of the same chip. It's a different chipset altogether. I'll crunch the numbers and add a new column. I had to kick the original Switch which is fine, as it is a generation back, and shouldn't be compared to these in the first place.

ASUS ROG Ally 2 Leak Confirms AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme and 64 GB Memory

ASUS has unwillingly revealed its upcoming ROG Ally 2 handheld through FCC filings and certification images, offering an early glimpse at two distinct models. According to Indonesian certification entries and a linked US FCC listing, the Ally 2 will launch in both black and white finishes. The...

www.techpowerup.com

Under the hood, the black edition of the Ally 2 represents ASUS's most ambitious handheld to date. It employs AMD's Ryzen Z2 Extreme processor, an eight‑core chip rated at 36 W, paired with 64 GB of LPDDR5X‑8533 memory. In contrast, the white model will feature AMD's Aeirth Plus APU with four cores operating at 20 W.

AMD Preps Faster "AERITH Plus" SOC With Higher Clocks & LPDDR5x, Possibly For Steam Deck 2

AMD's Aerith Plus SOC has been spotted in shipping manifests and might go on the power Valve's Steam Deck 2 handheld.

wccftech.com

For those who don't know, AERITH is the codename for the System-on-Chip used in Steam Deck. It is powered by Zen 2 architecture and features 4 cores and 8 threads. The AERITH Plus looks to be the successor to the AERITH and, as per the record, it brings noticeably higher clocks and an increase in TDP.

*Edit #2*
Oddly, I believe I found the chipset on Techpowerup, but their numbers appear to be all wrong. The issue is they are showing the wrong TDP compared to what we're seeing in reports elsewhere, like those I linked above, unless ASUS will deliberately nerf the refreshed variant of the chipset to a TDP below what Steam itself uses in the older & more primitive version of the chipset; they're not showing the increased GPU frequency; finally, their memory transfer rate also doesn't reflect the newer chipset's reported improvements. So just bear in mind that everything in my chart above is subject to future correction.

AMD Ryzen Z2 A GPU Specs

AMD Van Gogh, 1600 MHz, 512 Cores, 32 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 16384 MB LPDDR5, 800 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[avenue94]

Please link me the report specifying what the cut down pipelines will be, then, because I'll have to revise my above table to account for it.

These are the specs of the device, it's an IPS display (shared by both models). Aside from the chip, main differences are Ally X gets haptic triggers, a substantially larger battery, and faster RAM too.

You're correction is correct, not the same chip. (I meant figuratively cut down)

The issue is they are showing the wrong TDP compared to what we're seeing in reports elsewhere, like those I linked above, unless ASUS will deliberately nerf the refreshed variant of the chipset to a TDP below what Steam itself uses in the older & more primitive version of the chipset; they're not showing the increased GPU frequency; finally, their memory transfer rate also doesn't reflect the newer chipset's reported improvements. So just bear in mind that everything in my chart above is subject to future correction.

Techpowerup isn't wrong for TDP, it's 6-20W, we'll see what Asus ships in as the max. Cache is wrong though, as are frequencies.

 

[Madmick]

These are the specs of the device, it's an IPS display (shared by both models). Aside from the chip, main differences are Ally X gets haptic triggers, a substantially larger battery, and faster RAM too.

You're correction is correct, not the same chip. (I meant figuratively cut down)

Goddamit, that link with the press report was the first one I read. I just ended up on the wrong page for the Z2A.

Techpowerup isn't wrong for TDP, it's 6-20W, we'll see what Asus ships in as the max. Cache is wrong though, as are frequencies.

You're confused, you're comparing different chips. That Techpowerup link I provided was for the chip they believed it was going to be from the older, inaccurate reports I linked: the much older Aerith Plus, not the Ryzen Z2A. My confusion stemmed from the Techpowerup spec sheet for that Aerith Plus. None of its figures make sense in light of their own reports (ex. 20W TDP) or others that were pointing to the presumed implementation of that Aerith Plus chip (i.e. 1800MHz GPU boost clock).

This is all irrelevant, now. This custom implementation of the Aerith Plus clearly won't exist.

*Edit* Holy God, I'm too tired for this. So the Z2A is the Aerith Plus on the GPU side of the APU. And yeah, because of that, my original confusion stands. Those numbers don't make sense unless ASUS is deliberately nerfing the power and frequencies of the refresh of the chip. If Techpowerup is correct, then it suggests ASUS will deliberately downthrottle the chip to maintain the same performance as the Steam Deck in terms of GPU performance, but at a lower power draw.

 

[avenue94]

You're confused, you're comparing different chips. That Techpowerup link I provided was for the chip they believed it was going to be from the older, inaccurate reports I linked: the much older Aerith Plus, not the Ryzen Z2A. My confusion stemmed from the Techpowerup spec sheet for that Aerith Plus. None of its figures make sense in light of their own reports (ex. 20W TDP) or others that were pointing to the presumed implementation of that Aerith Plus chip (i.e. 1800MHz GPU boost clock).

This is all irrelevant, now. This custom implementation of the Aerith Plus clearly won't exist.

*Edit* Holy God, I'm too tired for this. So the Z2A is the Aerith Plus on the GPU side of the APU. And yeah, because of that, my original confusion stands. Those numbers don't make sense unless ASUS is deliberately nerfing the power and frequencies of the refresh of the chip. If Techpowerup is correct, then it suggests ASUS will deliberately downthrottle the chip to maintain the same performance as the Steam Deck in terms of GPU performance, but at a lower power draw.

I'd really only take stats from AMD or Asus now unless someone is dying to speculate for fun (more power to em). Asus may or may not undervolt the SoC, who knows. I'm pretty sure the top feedback Ally PMs would have got would be longer battery life, not more power.

 

[KaNesDeath]

So, Xbox is putting their games on PlayStation. PlayStation is putting their games on Steam, which means you'll be able to play them on this handheld Xbox hardware. What a world.

One factor flew under the radar. Valve partnered with and is funding Arch Linux development.

So Valve has seen something behind the scenes from other players that they still dont like.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Are people really saying near 1k for this thing? Would that not make it dead on arrival?