Official Women's Division Discussion #27

[Eater of Souls]

I'll do the whole list for you:]/quote]

Not what he asked you. Dishonest, again.

Nunes, prefers her fw fights, has noticeable cardio issues in bw fights.

Yes, her cardio was horrible against Pena . . . oh, wait, no. Was fine against Shevchenko for five rounds as well. Not only is this not what was asked, it is not entirely true.

Pena, she been perfect at bw.
Viera, missed bw.
Holm, fights at fw.
Aldana, 2x missed bw, has had five fights at catchweight with some of her best performances.
Pennington, missed weight, also takes fw fights.
Kunitskaya, missed bw, takes fw and even lw fights before.
Ladd, you know.
McMann, perfect bw, and she left the ufc to probably fight in a different weightclass.
Chiasson, 2x missed bw, has cardio issues at BW too, takes fw fights.
Kainzad, 2x missed bw (maybe as many as 4x), takes fw fights.
Rosa, possibly missed before, takes fw fights, has had cardio issues at bw.
Lansberg, possibly missed before, takes fw fights.
Avila, perfect bw.
Dumont, NEVER made bw in the UFC or pretty much her career takes fw fights

So we have 3 women in the UFC rankings including Mcmann who might not resign, pena, and Avila on mat leave.
Unranked:
Stoliarenko, missed bw before, fights at fw.
Edwards, missed bw, fights at fw.
Pascaul, chandler, egger, Letson, Perez, j Nunes all been fighting at fw.

Again nearly EVERYONE has missed or has been fightingat fw.

Just going to summarized because going through line by line and presenting how you are dishonest is just more time than you are worth. Because someone takes fights at featherweight does not support your claim that they consistently missed weight at 135. Having missed does not mean "consistently missed" but you keep backpedalling and moving the goal posts in addition to creating straw-man arguments because you lack the integrity to admit that you anonymously made a mistake online.

Grow up. Or at least just stop. You do not just get to post bullshit and have everyone accept it.

Allow me to help:

In order to support "the majority of women's bantamweights consistently miss weight" you must show that 51% of the division misses weight at least 51% of the time. This should not be that hard if it is true.

If you cannot . . . . then you were just wrong. Using all capitals does not make you any less wrong. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 

[leto1776]

 

[PurpleStorm]

It was good to see DeCoursey get that win. Nothing against Delboni, but Jillian is 38, her window was closing.

Yeah after that wild scramble DeCoursey locked on to that RNC super tight.

Also a tremendous performance from Kaitlyn Neil. I thought Hannah Guy would give her a lot of trouble. Neil hurt her with those teep kicks to the liver and stomach. Guy is young and will bounce back.

Something about Invicta I just love their cards. For anyone interested you can watch it on the Invicta YouTube channel. Super easy to go through the card fairly quickly. I’d say if anyone reading here wanna watch 3 fights, watch Neil, the co-main and the main.

War Invicta!

 

[PurpleStorm]

Sweet finish by Tiffany Teo.

 

[Gio]

Sweet finish by Tiffany Teo.

Gotta be Seo Hee Ham vs Tiffany Teo for the next shot at the Atomweight title.

 

[PurpleStorm]

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2022

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Main Card – Prime Video – 10:00pm ET / 7:00pm PT
Jingnan Xiong vs. Angela Lee – MMA
Stamp Fairtex vs. Jihin Radzuan – MMA
Preliminary Card – Prime Video / YouTube – 8:00pm ET / 5:00pm PT
Anissa Meksen vs. Daokongfah – Muay Thai

[MMA] LFA 143: Lopes vs. Paiva Recife, Pernambuco, Brazil Bout Order TBD
Main Card – UFC Fight Pass – 10:00pm ET / 7:00pm PT
Gabriella Fernandes vs. Karoline Martins
Mayara Thays vs. Rose Conceição
Preliminary Card – Facebook / YouTube – 9:00pm ET / 6:00pm PT
Natalia Alves vs. Ingrid Silva

[MMA] Combate Global 54 Miami, Florida, USA
Main Card – Paramount+ / Univision – 12:00am ET / 9:00pm PT
Caroline Gallardo vs. Danielle Taylor

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 1ST

[MMA] UFC Fight Night: Dern vs. Yan Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
Main Card – ESPN+ – 7:00pm ET / 4:00pm PT
Mackenzie Dern vs. Xiaonan Yan
Preliminary Card – ESPN+ – 4:00pm ET / 1:00pm PT
Jessica Penne vs. Tabatha Ricci
Julija Stoliarenko vs. Chelsea Chandler

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[leto1776]

Decoursey winning is probably not the best for the division.

Jillian’s cool, but it’s really not the best for the division. She was 5-3 heading into last night, and only had one memorable win.



Tiffany Teo got a $50k bonus for her sub over Ritu Phogat

 

[Askafan]

Didn't even realise that Invicta was on yesterday and as I'll be awol for a couple of days here's my UFC predictions: Dern and Stoliarenko by sub, Penne by decision

 

[Mittens]

Hopes: Ricci. Stoliarenko. Yan. And no leaning!

 

[Rizz]

I had the best time I have had in over a year watching fights last night in that Invicta PBP thread. Talking about random stuff during the boring fights and enjoying the good fights.

I don't think Jillian winning is bad for the division. Its not like Delboni was tabbed as a potential star that could have carried the division or influenced the UFC to open 105. Fights like last night are what makes MMA fun. There are too many things to worry about where big underdogs can still win if their opponent makes a small mistake. Something as small as using her left foot to push off the floor/cage changed the momentum of the takedown enough that Jillian ended up on top and she used that to finish the fight.

 

[GBJohn]

I had the best time I have had in over a year watching fights last night in that Invicta PBP thread. Talking about random stuff during the boring fights and enjoying the good fights.

I don't think Jillian winning is bad for the division. Its not like Delboni was tabbed as a potential star that could have carried the division or influenced the UFC to open 105. Fights like last night are what makes MMA fun. There are too many things to worry about where big underdogs can still win if their opponent makes a small mistake. Something as small as using her left foot to push off the floor/cage changed the momentum of the takedown enough that Jillian ended up on top and she used that to finish the fight.

I don't usually participate in UFC PBP threads. There's just so many people in there, I can't keep track of what's being said, let alone still pay attention to the fights, but I had a good time in last night's Invicta thread.

 

[Rizz]

Something as small as using her left foot to push off the floor/cage changed the momentum of the takedown enough that Jillian ended up on top and she used that to finish the fight.

Apparently there was much more going on that I did not notice. She even retweeted this so I will take it as her giving it a stamp of approval. I will keep it in spoiler tag so not to spam the thread.

Spoiler: Reversal and Choke explanation

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Yes, her cardio was horrible against Pena . . . oh, wait, no. Was fine against Shevchenko for five rounds as well. Not only is this not what was asked, it is not entirely true.


Just going to summarized because going through line by line and presenting how you are dishonest is just more time than you are worth. Because someone takes fights at featherweight does not support your claim that they consistently missed weight at 135. Having missed does not mean "consistently missed" but you keep backpedalling and moving the goal posts in addition to creating straw-man arguments because you lack the integrity to admit that you anonymously made a mistake online.

Grow up. Or at least just stop. You do not just get to post bullshit and have everyone accept it.

Allow me to help:

In order to support "the majority of women's bantamweights consistently miss weight" you must show that 51% of the division misses weight at least 51% of the time. This should not be that hard if it is true.

If you cannot . . . . then you were just wrong. Using all capitals does not make you any less wrong. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I didn't even reply to you here because of how you lie and you have the nerve to jump in and call me the liar.
You're the one who blatantly lied saying Dumont made bw recently.

And you're lying about Nunes to start here. Yeah she wasn't gassed and finished by Pena. She didn't look gassed vs GDR? You need to grow up and stop making up fake narratives to suit your agenda. Nunes vs shevchenko funny you bring up a fight Amanda couldn't make weight for and it needed to be pushed back a month the night before. You blinders probably won't even let you admit amanda prefers her fw fights.

And for someone who got really pissy in your last reply because I took your meaning wrong. It's really fucking low of you to make a fake ass quote from me "the majority of women's bantamweights consistently miss weight" so you can spout some bullshit again. Because I wrote the truth most ufc bw have missed at some point in their careers if making bw was easy there'd be many more who had never failed. Only 4/16 ranked bw have never had a weight cut issue, possibly 6/16 since I couldn't find confirmation if Rosa/Lansberg or their opponents missed.
No need to reply with more lies tho.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I didn't even reply to you here because of how you lie and you have the nerve to jump in and call me the liar.
You're the one who blatantly lied saying Dumont made bw recently.

No, I made a mistake. See how that works? She came in heavy. Of course you said she never even fought at 135. She how that works you hypocritical coward? You just say "I made a mistake."

I am sorry you had no parents who cared enough to teach you this.

And you're lying about Nunes to start here. Yeah she wasn't gassed and finished by Pena.


She didn't look gassed vs GDR? You need to grow up and stop making up fake narratives to suit your agenda.

I did not mention GDR, so you are full of shit again. You made a sweeping generalization because you have either no respect for logic or no knowledge of how it works. I only needed one example to be correct and I provided two.

Nunes vs shevchenko funny you bring up a fight Amanda couldn't make weight for and it needed to be pushed back a month the night before. You blinders probably won't even let you admit amanda prefers her fw fights.

Are you really sure she cancelled because she was heavy? You might wish to look at where it says "illness." And if she prefers her FW fights perhaps she should say so. I do not speculate what goes on in the head of people I do not know because that too is dishonest. So do you have some evidence to back up your claim?

And for someone who got really pissy in your last reply because I took your meaning wrong. It's really fucking low of you to make a fake as quote from me "the majority of women's bantamweights consistently miss weight" so you can spout some bullshit again. Because I wrote the truth most ufc bw have missed at some point in their careers if making bw was easy there'd be many more who had never failed. Only 4/16 ranked bw have never had a weight cut issue, possibly 6/16 since I couldn't find confirmation if Rosa/Lansberg or their opponents missed.
No need to reply with more lies tho.

if I misquoted you I made a mistake. Again, see how that works? That sort of thing is possible when you are honest. I probably need to explain that as well.

Making weight should not be easy. It really shows when people who have never done it discuss it.

Who are the four? And when did Amanda miss weight?

Honestly support your points. It is not all that difficult. And if you want better from me do something to deserve it. Okay, I went back and re-read your quote in the first post where you lied stating that it was "important to me that all women cut weight" - this is an approximation as I am not going back through your posts again when half the thread is telling you that you are either just wrong or full of shit. That being said, you lied about what I wrote more than once in your first reply to me, then again. Then you complain if someone acts the same way you did. This is only possible on the internet.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Didn't even realise that Invicta was on yesterday and as I'll be awol for a couple of days here's my UFC predictions: Dern and Stoliarenko by sub, Penne by decision

These are exactly the picks I'd make too.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

No, I made a mistake. See how that works? She came in heavy. Of course you said she never even fought at 135. She how that works you hypocritical coward? You just say "I made a mistake."

I am sorry you had no parents who cared enough to teach you this.




I did not mention GDR, so you are full of shit again. You made a sweeping generalization because you have either no respect for logic or no knowledge of how it works. I only needed one example to be correct and I provided two.





Are you really sure she cancelled because she was heavy? You might wish to look at where it says "illness." And if she prefers her FW fights perhaps she should say so. I do not speculate what goes on in the head of people I do not know because that too is dishonest. So do you have some evidence to back up your claim?



if I misquoted you I made a mistake. Again, see how that works? That sort of thing is possible when you are honest. I probably need to explain that as well.

Making weight should not be easy. It really shows when people who have never done it discuss it.

Who are the four? And when did Amanda miss weight?

Honestly support your points. It is not all that difficult. And if you want better from me do something to deserve it. Okay, I went back and re-read your quote in the first post where you lied stating that it was "important to me that all women cut weight" - this is an approximation as I am not going back through your posts again when half the thread is telling you that you are either just wrong or full of shit. That being said, you lied about what I wrote more than once in your first reply to me, then again. Then you complain if someone acts the same way you did. This is only possible on the internet.

I'm glad you are adult enough to admit that you made a mistake even tho your "mistake" you claimed to have gone and just researched to prove dumont makes bw yikes but ok. Then you follow up your grown up admission with a child like insult like you always do because you're not in the wrong.

Amanda has had cardio issues at bw, you pointed out a fight she did not have them is stupid. It doesn't negate that she has had them so again you're being blatantly dishonest calling me out for saying amanda has had the issue when even you will admit she gassed vs GDR.

And I was mistaken in my original reply to you to give you a position you did not say but argue often and repeatedly. Happy I said it back.

 

[Dsfdandan]

Jillian’s cool, but it’s really not the best for the division. She was 5-3 heading into last night, and only had one memorable win.

I guess it doesn’t matter a whole lot though, RIZIN has pretty much all the potential atomweight stars.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I'm glad you are adult enough to admit that you made a mistake even tho your "mistake" you claimed to have gone and just researched to prove dumont makes bw yikes but ok. Then you follow up your grown up admission with a child like insult like you always do because you're not in the wrong.

And you insult me while whining about being insulted. Again, hypocrite.

Amanda has had cardio issues at bw, you pointed out a fight she did not have them is stupid. It doesn't negate that she has had them so again you're being blatantly dishonest calling me out for saying amanda has had the issue when even you will admit she gassed vs GDR.

No I am not. You said she has. It was an all-inclusive statement. I only needed one. I provided more than one. So "had" in a fight with GDR is not "has" when she did not in other fights.

And I was mistaken in my original reply to you to give you a position you did not say but argue often and repeatedly. Happy I said it back.

Clarify? And if it is some bullshit about wanting women to cut as much weight as possible (paraphrasing) that is just not true. So if I argue it often please show me where?

And you conveniently did not reply to the other bullshit of yours I pointed out. Again. You cherry-pick. Again. See "intellectual honesty."

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Why is it so important women cut more weight to you and others?
Macy has looked fucking aweful starving herself to 135 she's much better at 145.
Norma when has she ever made that 135??
Blencowe also went from be a starved loser at BW to a healthy savage at fw.
Nearly every ranked ufc BW has missed weight, many multiple times, there should be less bw and more fw fights not the other way around. We get bigger stronger healthier fights.
If these were men y'all be saying they should be fighting up a class and extreme cutting should not be allowed.

@Eater of Souls I had to go back and see what I wrote to you. It's just you're terrible at reading. I didn't lie I asked you QUESTIONS because of how adamant you write paragraphs about these women not fighting at 145.

Then I'm stating my position notice the lack of question marks.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

And you insult me while whining about being insulted. Again, hypocrite.



No I am not. You said she has. It was an all-inclusive statement. I only needed one. I provided more than one. So "had" in a fight with GDR is not "has" when she did not in other fights.



Clarify? And if it is some bullshit about wanting women to cut as much weight as possible (paraphrasing) that is just not true. So if I argue it often please show me where?

And you conveniently did not reply to the other bullshit of yours I pointed out. Again. You cherry-pick. Again. See "intellectual honesty."

I treat kind with kind. You wanted to make this a whiny childish thing about calling each other liars.
Have your ignorant belief then that it's wrong I said amanda has cardio issues at bw. I really don't feel like giving this any more time.