Official Women's Division Discussion #25

[Mittens]

 

[Eater of Souls]

All, I'm seeking help for discussion topic/feature ideas for my channel, in order to keep putting up fresh content during draughts between big events. I' enlisting your help, and even better, I'm offering a reward for any ideas I use!

Here are the guidelines:
1. The topic must be about WMMA, or closely related.
2. No ridiculous fantasy matchups.
3. Anny idea used will be rewarded, and you will be credited for the idea n the video I make.
4. No sharing any details about the rewards with anyone else.

Come at me, bros!

Actual analysis of WMMA striking technique. Most of it is terrible, given how many people think that Holly has "great boxing" or is a "counter-puncher."

 

[lukeuidswords]

 

[thatdude21601]

Google translate loses it's mind when I come with Korean text. Any idea what this says?

 

[Dsfdandan]

Google translate loses it's mind when I come with Korean text. Any idea what this says?

According to google translate it says “
workout
Oh Oon Baba Baba Baba Baba
Older Profile
Arab Team Mad
Proud Tim Madu” not sure what’s so hard to understand about that?<45>

 

[aerius]

All, I'm seeking help for discussion topic/feature ideas for my channel, in order to keep putting up fresh content during draughts between big events. I' enlisting your help, and even better, I'm offering a reward for any ideas I use!

A focus on ATT, and all the good things that they're doing for their female fighters. Almost every woman who goes there ends up with better fundamentals, broadens out their skills, and becomes a significantly improved fighter. What are they doing right that nearly everyone else isn't? Why do so many others suck at teaching the basics and building on those skills?

 

[PurpleStorm]

All, I'm seeking help for discussion topic/feature ideas for my channel, in order to keep putting up fresh content during draughts between big events. I' enlisting your help, and even better, I'm offering a reward for any ideas I use!

Here are the guidelines:
1. The topic must be about WMMA, or closely related.
2. No ridiculous fantasy matchups.
3. Anny idea used will be rewarded, and you will be credited for the idea n the video I make.
4. No sharing any details about the rewards with anyone else.

Come at me, bros!

Here's some ideas.

1. An interview by phone or skype with any of the wmma pioneers mentioned in the article posted here a few days ago. I'm always interested in their stories.

2. Top five wmma prospects (maybe defined as age 25 & under?) outside the UFC. Top five wmma prospects currently in the UFC.

3. A profile on any fighter who is down for an interview via phone or skype. Or a segment on someone whose style you enjoy where you break down what makes her exciting.

4. A segment on wmma in Rizin or KSW or any organization that's not the UFC. Explain what they do, where they hold fights, how to watch, some of their stars & prospects.

5. A look at a specific division. Rankings, where they may change in the next year, how to best build the division etc.

I'd like a BMW i8 coupe & promise I won't tell anyone else. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

 

[Eater of Souls]

A focus on ATT, and all the good things that they're doing for their female fighters. Almost every woman who goes there ends up with better fundamentals, broadens out their skills, and becomes a significantly improved fighter. What are they doing right that nearly everyone else isn't? Why do so many others suck at teaching the basics and building on those skills?

Much better than my idea.


So I will offer this:

 

[PurpleStorm]

Sunday at SFL Kiran Singh got herself DQed. Maiara Alves makes it to the finals

Searched around last night & couldn't find much other than a clip or two from earlier fights. Would really like to find out what the heck happened.

Why did the bell go off when the round wasn’t finished?

IKR. So weird. The clip begs more questions. I want to know all the details!

 

[Rizz]

Much better than my idea.


So I will offer this:

I bet Nicco chose to get PPV points instead of a higher base pay now that she is starting to fight to get on UFC 226. I don't think that is a smart play for her. She is too low of a draw to be able to get onto a card like that. The smart play would be to do what Robert Whittaker is doing. He wants on UFC 225 because he knows he is not popular enough to make it on 226 and UFC 225 will have CM Punk on it meaning is will probably do 400 to 500k PPVs. The though process is that even though 226 will probably do more PPVs the chances of you getting on that one is extremely low due to you current draw power. Instead of fighting a losing battle and getting placed on a terrible card, pick the second best option right away and guarantee yourself a huge payday.

 

[PurpleStorm]

I bet Nicco chose to get PPV points instead of a higher base pay now that she is starting to fight to get on UFC 226. I don't think that is a smart play for her. She is too low of a draw to be able to get onto a card like that. The smart play would be to do what Robert Whittaker is doing. He wants on UFC 225 because he knows he is not popular enough to make it on 226 and UFC 225 will have CM Punk on it meaning is will probably do 400 to 500k PPVs. The though process is that even though 226 will probably do more PPVs the chances of you getting on that one is extremely low due to you current draw power. Instead of fighting a losing battle and getting placed on a terrible card, pick the second best option right away and guarantee yourself a huge payday.

From her video interviews like this recent one she's mainly motivated by responsibilities to her tribe and properly healing her foot.

 

[leto1776]

Actual analysis of WMMA striking technique. Most of it is terrible, given how many people think that Holly has "great boxing" or is a "counter-puncher."

Back when I first envisioned this channel, I thought about bringing on my old instructor to do breakdowns. Thanks you for reminding me of that.

A focus on ATT, and all the good things that they're doing for their female fighters. Almost every woman who goes there ends up with better fundamentals, broadens out their skills, and becomes a significantly improved fighter. What are they doing right that nearly everyone else isn't? Why do so many others suck at teaching the basics and building on those skills?

Interesting take. Might be able to do that with several camps, like AACC.

Here's some ideas.

1. An interview by phone or skype with any of the wmma pioneers mentioned in the article posted here a few days ago. I'm always interested in their stories.

2. Top five wmma prospects (maybe defined as age 25 & under?) outside the UFC. Top five wmma prospects currently in the UFC.

3. A profile on any fighter who is down for an interview via phone or skype. Or a segment on someone whose style you enjoy where you break down what makes her exciting.

4. A segment on wmma in Rizin or KSW or any organization that's not the UFC. Explain what they do, where they hold fights, how to watch, some of their stars & prospects.

5. A look at a specific division. Rankings, where they may change in the next year, how to best build the division etc.

I'd like a BMW i8 coupe & promise I won't tell anyone else. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

1. Interviews are definitely planned for the future. My problem is decind on whether to build the audience first in the hopes of enticing fighters to come on, or trying to convince fighters to come on, and hoping that grows the audience to entice future interviews.

2. Very cool concept. Would be very subjective, of course, but all rankings are.

3. Definitely in consideration.

4. Thinking of doing segments on every organization that really pushes the women. positives, negatives, etc.

5. Definitely going on the list.

6. Isn't that the car that McGregor uses to go on the prowl for sex with random dudes?



Thanks for the ideas, all. Putting them in my notes. Also came up with some ideas of my own as soon as I asked.

 

[Rizz]

From her video interviews like this recent one she's mainly motivated by responsibilities to her tribe and properly healing her foot.

She would never say the real reason and I can say it is possible that might be true but I think its real convenient that she is going to be ready exactly for the big card of the year that every other champ has been asking to get on.

 

[thatdude21601]

Gonna keep digging through these Sanda events, this shit is rad. Daniel Ghita is just knocking dudes out in the Heavy division. I will post more lady fighters who are connected to mma as I come across them.

48kg (105lbs) gold medalist Shimeng Dai looks like she could compete & succeed under kickboxing or mma rules right now.

In the semi-finals earlier Shimeng Dai beat Divine Wally who was the gold medalist the previous year.




Divine Wally is another young fighter we'll most likely see jumping into mma. Cousin of former ONE champion Eduard Folayang, and already has a little bit of a following in the Philippines.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/baguio/sports/2018/02/21/divine-wally-keen-pursuing-mma-590019


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Also in the semi-finals of the 48kg division Ayan Tursyn loses to her Korean opponent.



Around the same time period as this sanda tournament Tursyn goes 2-2 up a weight class in MMA fights (IMMAF doesn't have atomweight). She looks promising. Some of these Sanda fighters have really good movement/footwork/ring awareness. They should all take up Moat Fighting ASAP.

 

[JarlSkuld]

All, I'm seeking help for discussion topic/feature ideas for my channel, in order to keep putting up fresh content during draughts between big events. I' enlisting your help, and even better, I'm offering a reward for any ideas I use!

Here are the guidelines:
1. The topic must be about WMMA, or closely related.
2. No ridiculous fantasy matchups.
3. Anny idea used will be rewarded, and you will be credited for the idea n the video I make.
4. No sharing any details about the rewards with anyone else.

Come at me, bros!

On the men's side, there is a clear evolution in the sport: BJJ specialists dominated in the earliest UFC events...then wrestlers...then Muay Thai/Kick-boxers...until today when most champions are truly mixed martial artists and good at several disciplines. It might be interesting to talk about the evolution of the sport on the women's side. Did it start with all of the judoka dominating in Smackgirl and other Japanese promotions? Did wrestlers ever dominate WMMA? How about the Muay Thai/Kickboxing crowd? Is WMMA still mainly a clash of styles/arts? Or, are there any true mixed martial artists? Who are they? Are they already present or will we have to wait for a true mixed martial artist champion in WMMA?

Jarl

 

[teddy078]

I bet Nicco chose to get PPV points instead of a higher base pay now that she is starting to fight to get on UFC 226.

Nicco is locked in a TUF contract, she has zero leverage to ask for a higher base pay. PPV money is her only hope for a huge pay check.

I don't think that is a smart play for her. She is too low of a draw to be able to get onto a card like that.

She doesn't need to be a huge draw to get into a huge card. Look at past huge card like UFC 200 and 217, UFC puts one champ fight with huge draw power then add other champ fights without draw power to make the card stacked. Puting multiple champ fights with huge draw power into a single card is bad bussiness practice, ppl would only buy one card instead of multiple cards.

The though process is that even though 226 will probably do more PPVs the chances of you getting on that one is extremely low due to you current draw power. Instead of fighting a losing battle and getting placed on a terrible card, pick the second best option right away and guarantee yourself a huge payday.

UFC 226 doesn't seem that difficult to get into right now. Who knows if Nunes will be ready for Cyborg two months after she defends her belt at a lower weight class. DJ vs TJ doesn't seem to head in right direction now.

 

[teddy078]

Gonna keep digging through these Sanda events, this shit is rad.

Some of these Sanda fighters have really good movement/footwork/ring awareness.

Actually, it's hard for Sanda fighters to find success in top level MMA.

First, Sanda fighters have little clinch fighting skills. The rule only allows clinching for two seconds.

Second, you get more points for take-downs if you keep yourself standing. This means that Sanda fighters don't practice position fighting on the gound. They have very limited grapplling skills.

Li JingLiang came from wrestling background, learned Sanda later.

Wang Guan started as a Sanda fighter, he is a two-time national Muay Thai champion before his mma career.

Muslim Salikhov who is considered as one of best wrestlers among elite Sanda fighters got wrestle-fucked in his first match in UFC.

 

[thatdude21601]

Actually, it's hard for Sanda fighters to find success in MMA.

Yeah, it's hard to find success in mma (or Moat Fighting).

The quoted post is of a 2-2 MMA fighter. This 2-2 mma fighter has enough poise & skill to use her feet to keep her back away from the fence, and move out of the way of a spazzy brawler. This is already a lot more than I expect from an amateur mma fighter's first year. Maybe she doesn't ever become Invicta atomweight champion, but that's ok.

Two of the dopest regional strawweights are Sanda crossovers (Maira Mazar/Weili Zhang), and I think both would have moderate/high success if they were able to fight in the UFC/Invicta. With Zhang's back-take game and guard passing, she's obviously been grappling for awhile, but still ... 3 years into her mma career we're about to see her fight one of the top 3 credentialed wrestlers in all of the women's side in Kanako Murata (somebody who has medaled over Helen Maroulis, and would have most likely been in the Olympics if Saori Yoshida wasn't the same weight). Murata probably should not be the favorite here.

Yan Xiaonan has been a good action fighter so far too. If Salikhov wasn't 33, I'd still be pretty high on his potential.

Second, you get more points for take-downs if you keep yourself standing. This means that Sanda fighters don't practice position fighting on the gound.

So, some fighters spend a lot of time developing balance and defending takedowns?

We've seen how bad Yanan Wu looked against moderately skilled grapplers. I'm aware there is work to be done before changing sports/rulesets, and that stand up fighters need to develop a ground game to compete in MMA (or Moat Fighting).

 

[thatdude21601]

Over the weekend Fairtex fighters Stamp Nadthawon & Chloe Cooke both won their first amateur mma fights.
Just clips, but it's something.

 

[msm1981]

At least Amanda Nunes has a plan not named Cyborg
do to the fact she has Raquel Pennington in a title defense
at UFC 224 in May then defend against Ketlen Vieira later
in the year if she survives UFC 224 still champion.