Official War Room Awards 2017

[Jack V Savage]

Also, no props for using the correct English term for "ostrich-like"?

 

[Bald1]

This might be a good opportunity to clear a few things up.

I've been told that as a Canuck I probably don't understand race relations and issues in the US. Makes sense as we have a different history and different police interactions due to firearm laws, segregation, Jim Crow, and many other factors. Cool, I get it.

Our social landscape is also different up here than in the states. Between mandatory pronoun use, a motion to investigate Islamaphobia, allowing the return of ISIS members, and a generally more "progressive" atmosphere, sometimes it seems we're discussing different topics.

 

[HomerThompson]

Also, no props for using the correct English term for "ostrich-like"?

It was pretty great. I had to look it up.

 

[HomerThompson]

Hey, Forever in @Limbo Pete, where are the results?

 

[Limbo Pete]

This might be a goid opportunity to clear a few things up.

I've been told that as a Canuck I probably don't understand race relations and issues in the US. Makes sense as we have a different history and different police interactions due to firearm laws, segregation, Jim Crow, and many other factors. Cool, I get it.

It gets really strange. The history of race in the US is a pretty convoluted topic. But also integral to understanding many of our weird ass problems.

 

[Bald1]

1. Yes, of course.

2. No, but neither is "new far left." That's why I've warmed to "SJW" a bit, but it still gets used too widely. In general, we talk about these people ridiculously out of proportion to their numbers and influence, and I see that as a deliberate thing (at the higher levels--don't think you're personally doing for any political purpose, but I think you're biased because of the influence of people who are), similar to the way Bush's people made efforts to put SSM on ballots in 2004. People with the less-popular set of policy ideas would rather make the election yea or nay on SJWs than a battle over platforms.

But the issue is that if I say, "I try to be impartial, but boy do I hate those SJWs," does that give you an accurate picture of my views? It's not altogether inaccurate (I would say I view them with mild contempt rather than hatred, but you get the point), but I don't think it does, and I wouldn't say it. The people who do say it are communicating a view that is deeper than just the literal meaning of the words, and part of that is a belief that that stuff really matters to them emotionally, and that they do associate that with the further left. I've seen people who don't consciously describe themselves as Republicans claim that the Democratic Party as a whole is "anti-white." Hard to even wrap my head around that, but I see that quoted sentence as being in harmony with that kind of nuttery.

Disjointed, stream of consciousness post incoming...

Cool.

I thought "far" was a dead giveaway that I wasn't talking about the mainstream. As much as SJW fits the bill I avoid the term. Why? Because social justice, like justice in general is something worth striving for. I don't see their cause as fighting for justice, but rather to get their way. Otherwise why try to silence the discussion? Also, that term has come to encompass such a wide field as to cloud the conversation.

So why am I so outspoken against the "far left"? It encompass, for me at least, too many negative and counterproductive factions. The new wave feminism that seems like a special interest movement. The "you're a fucking white male" types. Antifa. The college loons.

Trump capitalized on the distaste of this bundle of craziness in the left, while they went largely ignored by the left. In fact, rather than being disowned, they were allowed to nest in my ideological neighborhood. Not cool. Perception is reality, and to many there were trannies just waiting to punce outside of every public bathroom. As the right should denounce tiki torch wielding white nationalists, so the left should do with their illiberal counterparts. Both are ideological poison represented in similar numbers.

As for the "anti-white" stuff? I don't know what to make of it, or if it's even a thing. Yet to deny that it's more acceptable to be outspoken against white wolks on the basis of skin colour than other races is dishonest. To paraphrase someone on here - the first step in achieving equality is to treat everyone equally.

Btw... Struthian? Nice! And I'm not proofreading this verbal diarrhea.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Hey, Forever in @Limbo Pete, where are the results?

Gotta get back to my desktop. Gonna be a few more hours probably.

 

[Bald1]

It gets really strange. The history of race in the US is a pretty convoluted topic. But also integral to understanding many of our weird ass problems.

I try to just read the threads and stay out of commenting in them. Unfortunately people are importing US based race issues north. BLM Toronto is an abomination.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I try to just read the threads and stay out of commenting in them. Unfortunately people are importing US based race issues north. BLM Toronto is an abomination.

Here's something to sorta frame things:
The US was ostensibly founded on the promise of opportunities for class mobility while simultaneously basing large portions of the economy on slave labor.
We have been a deeply conflicted nation from the start.

 

[HomerThompson]

Gotta get back to my desktop. Gonna be a few more hours probably.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I've seen people who don't consciously describe themselves as Republicans claim that the Democratic Party as a whole is "anti-white."

While it's absurd to say each and every individual associated with the party is anti-white, things like below can certainly help color one's view of the group. And when it comes to characterizing a group it's of little consequence that not every member shares the trait.

Maybe this is bullshit? If not, the lady obviously wasn't concerned that others would have a problem with it.

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/cisgender-straight-white-males-need-not-apply.html

Here's another example.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/24/sally-boynton-brown-dnc-chair-candidate-says-her-j/

Sally Boynton Brown, Idaho Democratic Party executive director, joined other candidates vying for the coveted job at a George Washington University forum in Washington, D.C., on Monday to make their case. Ms. Brown garnered a round a applause for her racially charged pitch to attendees.

“My job is to listen and be a voice, and my job is to shut other white people down when they want to interrupt,” Ms. Brown said, Fox News reported Tuesday. “My job is to shut other white people down when they want to say, ‘Oh no I’m not prejudiced, I’m a Democrat, I’m accepting.’ […] My job is to make sure that they get that they have privilege and until we shut our mouths and we listen to those people who don’t and we lift our people up so that we all have equity in this country … we’re not going to break through this.”

This doesn't sound so good either (If you identify as white).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-spending-outreach/?utm_term=.926592c1727e

The seven leading candidates to run the Democratic National Committee spent Monday night talking through issues of diversity and racial justice, all of them agreeing that their party needed to do more for non-whites.

 

[Bald1]

Here's something to sorta frame things:
The US was ostensibly founded on the promise of opportunities for class mobility while simultaneously basing large portions of the economy on slave labor.
We have been a deeply conflicted nation from the start.

Oh I get it. From the negroes motoring green book, to Jim Crow, to segregation, to the effects of the cotton gin and the emancipation proclamation, I'm not ignorant of the when, and whys. It's the understanding of the current situation in the US that holds me back from commenting. I get how the situation developed, just not exactly where it's at.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

As for the "anti-white" stuff? I don't know what to make of it, or if it's even a thing. Yet to deny that it's more acceptable to be outspoken against white wolks on the basis of skin colour than other races is dishonest. To paraphrase someone on here - the first step in achieving equality is to treat everyone equally.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't even want to get into categories (short on time) but I do appreciate the thoughtful posting from folks like @Jack V Savage , @HomerThompson , @Fawlty , @panamaican , @waiguoren , @Quipling , @AnGrYcRoW , @PolishHeadlock , @Gandhi (wish he posted more), @Trotsky , @oldshadow , @Kafir-kun , @Denter , @nac386, @JudoThrowFiasco @Rational Poster , @Rebound59 and I'm sure I missed a bunch (I'll update this as they come to mind). You make the WR fun and interesting.

Megatron (can't remember the numbers) and @ultramanhyata you guys are hilarious keep it up. RIP RIP (he turned out to be a troll after all).

I won't name the worst posters but you know who you are and you absolutely suck. Ok @TheComebackKid you deserve a special call out for sucking.

Thanks to @Madmick , @Limbo Pete and the other mods for doing a great job with this sub-forum.

Wow, not even top 10 and under @AnGrYcRoW. Wish we could down vote.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Wow, not even top 10 and under @AnGrYcRoW. Wish we could down vote.

Bro I was half-expecting to make the shit end of his list. Sometimes no news is good news.

 

[RockstarChris]

i vote for myself in every category

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Wow, not even top 10 and under @AnGrYcRoW. Wish we could down vote.

I'd put you a notch above me if that's any consolation

 

[Jack V Savage]

This might be a good opportunity to clear a few things up.

I've been told that as a Canuck I probably don't understand race relations and issues in the US. Makes sense as we have a different history and different police interactions due to firearm laws, segregation, Jim Crow, and many other factors. Cool, I get it.

Our social landscape is also different up here than in the states. Between mandatory pronoun use, a motion to investigate Islamaphobia, allowing the return of ISIS members, and a generally more "progressive" atmosphere, sometimes it seems we're discussing different topics.

Possibly. I don't know as much about Canada. Though I remember looking one thing up (related to that "mandatory pronoun use" and concluding that the actual law was badly misrepresented. So I kind of suspect that the moral panic over SJWs is happening in Canada, too.

I thought "far" was a dead giveaway that I wasn't talking about the mainstream. As much as SJW fits the bill I avoid the term. Why? Because social justice, like justice in general is something worth striving for. I don't see their cause as fighting for justice, but rather to get their way. Otherwise why try to silence the discussion? Also, that term has come to encompass such a wide field as to cloud the conversation.

"Far left" is often applied to the mainstream left by the right (I tend to think "far left" means anarchism so I'm always surprised to see it applied to people who basically want to keep things the way they are with small boosts to the safety net). And I have my own issues with the term. Does it apply to people who object to what we saw in the DOJ report on Ferguson? I'd think that that would have widespread disapproval, but the term could apply there. And that's just one example. But it still works better than alternatives.

So why am I so outspoken against the "far left"? It encompass, for me at least, too many negative and counterproductive factions. The new wave feminism that seems like a special interest movement. The "you're a fucking white male" types. Antifa. The college loons.

Trump capitalized on the distaste of this bundle of craziness in the left, while they went largely ignored by the left. In fact, rather than being disowned, they were allowed to nest in my ideological neighborhood. Not cool. Perception is reality, and to many there were trannies just waiting to punce outside of every public bathroom. As the right should denounce tiki torch wielding white nationalists, so the left should do with their illiberal counterparts. Both are ideological poison represented in similar numbers.

I wouldn't say "capitalized on" as much as "manufactured." Like you get at, the fear of transsexuals in bathrooms (and the like) is completely irrational and a result of politicians whipping up hysteria in order to get support from people who don't agree with their policy agenda.

To digress here, through a combination of venality and ideological rot, the GOP as an institution is deeply committed to a policy agenda (regressive tax cuts and deregulation) that is extremely unpopular. I think bothsidesism blinds people to the problem, but it explains everything--the rejection of expertise, the "liberal media" myth, vote suppression efforts, various hysterias, Russian collusion, even the nastiness of the last campaign and the attempt to use a phony investigation to steal the election (it was clear from the start that Clinton was clean of any criminal wrongdoing). Gotta look at the SJW panic through those lenses to really see what's going on.

As for the "anti-white" stuff? I don't know what to make of it, or if it's even a thing. Yet to deny that it's more acceptable to be outspoken against white wolks on the basis of skin colour than other races is dishonest. To paraphrase someone on here - the first step in achieving equality is to treat everyone equally.

It's not a thing on any major level, and what you're actually seeing is that it's more acceptable to talk shit about yourself than it is to talk shit about others (also might want to ask "acceptable to whom?" Trump is the president, after all, and ran on demonizing non-whites, and many people feel that it is acceptable to call BLM a "terrorist organization").

Btw... Struthian? Nice! And I'm not proofreading this verbal diarrhea.

Rarely get to use that one. Your post was fine.

 

[kpt018]

Wow, not even top 10 and under @AnGrYcRoW. Wish we could down vote.

That's not in any particular order and I was winging it there (getting busy at work, about to get killed for 3 1/2 months). I definitely forgot people that I respect and enjoy their posting.

 

[kpt018]

Wow, not even top 10 and under @AnGrYcRoW. Wish we could down vote.

Bro I was half-expecting to make the shit end of his list. Sometimes no news is good news.

I was quoted maybe twice in the awards thread. Admittedly I didn't go through the whole thing (maybe I was mentioned without the quote). I'm not salty though, I know when my posts are appreciated.