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No it shouldn't. The electoral college gives smaller, less populated states a voice.

I would be OK with states splitting their electorate. We do that here in Maine. Maines a good example of it. The southern part is densely populated but they have little in common with the people in the rest of the state. Drastically different values in Portland vs say, Presque Isle.
If you're going to split state electoral votes, why not just do a popular vote? It's a prime example of how tortured the logic for an electoral college is.

You'd only be encouraging more gerrymandering
 
Some people could do themself favors and read a little history about the EC. But I think splitting up some EC in states might be a good idea, but there would be manipulation like there is now. Example census (2020) counting illegals, which allows districts to be over represented in congress and EC number of votes. NY should have less EC numbers because of this. Cali for sure.
So you wouldn't count children, felons and legal residents, either?
 
If you're going to split state electoral votes, why not just do a popular vote? It's a prime example of how tortured the logic for an electoral college is.

You'd only be encouraging more gerrymandering
Because its not right if say 500,000 people speak for 499,999 people with a different opinion.
 
Except in every democratic country around the world outside of the US of course.
And Canada. Australia. The United Kingdom. India. Germany. Ect.

You're a fucking idiot, sounding so sure of yourself. You don't live in a Democracy.
 
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Because its not right if say 500,000 people speak for 499,999 people with a different opinion.
But they wouldn't. 500k people would speak their mind and 499,999 would also speak their mind in a popular vote. You have no "lost voices", compared to district voting
 
Because its not right if say 500,000 people speak for 499,999 people with a different opinion.
Yeah, so do popular vote for the president. Each vote is equal. There will be more republican voters in California than Texas tomorrow, but their votes mean nothing.
 
That would be a criminal act in this country. But to be consistent, y'all ought to call it freedom of speech.


well, they do have their fingers of speech

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i guess they could refer to the act of kicking trump signs as the "patriot punt"
 
Yeah, so do popular vote for the president. Each vote is equal. There will be more republican voters in California than Texas tomorrow, but their votes mean nothing.
I already posted why thats not true. The minority has no voice in the popular vote.
 
Because its not right if say 500,000 people speak for 499,999 people with a different opinion.
Why shouldn’t the majority choose the president? It’s not like the president has king like powers.
Oh. Wait, nvm
Every other representative is chosen by popular vote.
 
Because its not right if say 500,000 people speak for 499,999 people with a different opinion.


you're not going to have everybody supporting you no matter what party or platform you run. it will never happen. we are not chunks of land, we are people. our brains are not all wired the same. we do not share the exact interests and opinions as everybody else

with that being said, since everybody has a say and everybody should be treated equal, can you explain why should the person who gets 499,999 votes become president over the person who gets 500,000 or more? is it because they have a better football team? do their farts smell rosier?
 
I already posted why thats not true. The minority has no voice in the popular vote.
What? If the presidential election is determined by popular vote then every vote is equal and matters. A vote from Los Angeles would be worth no more or less than a vote from North Dakota.
 
Some people could do themself favors and read a little history about the EC. But I think splitting up some EC in states might be a good idea, but there would be manipulation like there is now. Example census (2020) counting illegals, which allows districts to be over represented in congress and EC number of votes. NY should have less EC numbers because of this. Cali for sure.
It's actually worse than just counting the illegals. That alone would change the congressional seats/EC counts, but the census bureau has acknowledged significant undercounts in mostly red states, and significant overcounts in mostly blue states. Just the accurate numbers even if they still counted the illegals would have been like 3 or 4 more EC votes for red states and 3 or 4 fewer for blue states.

 
If you're going to split state electoral votes, why not just do a popular vote? It's a prime example of how tortured the logic for an electoral college is.

You'd only be encouraging more gerrymandering
It’s the best the committee for unfinished business could come up with
 
Except in every democratic country around the world outside of the US of course.
I think one negative aspect of the American system compared to, say, a parliamentary system like in Canada, is there's no chance of a minority government.

You know what people hate? When they have an election, and then, before anything can fucking get done, there's another fucking election. Usually, it forces the parties to work together on the things that matter. The current Canadian government has been in a minority situation for years without a non-confidence challenge (until recently) and that's because of alliances among parties. Because they have a strong coalition they can get all kinds of shit done that makes all their voters happy, whether or not it's all at the same time--that doesn't really matter in the long run.

Aside: even as I say that, though, this particular election is peculiar and if there is a minority government, which seems likely, it may not last like the majority of minority governments before it.
 
It's actually worse than just counting the illegals. That alone would change the congressional seats/EC counts, but the census bureau has acknowledged significant undercounts in mostly red states, and significant overcounts in mostly blue states. Just the accurate numbers even if they still counted the illegals would have been like 3 or 4 more EC votes for red states and 3 or 4 fewer for blue states.

That's true FL should have +2 EC numbers. How convenient once again
 
i won't be able to reconcile how trump gets 40M+ views with youtube suppression (vs ~3M), get shot in the head and still lose. Unless ppl simply dont vote
What about getting shot in the ear makes him a better candidate, specifically?
 
It’s the best the committee for unfinished business could come up with
It's truly a credit to America civic mythmaking that we still think the electoral college is a good idea despite literally no other democracy using it today. I'm not sure I can even name any that used it for an extended period of time since the 1700s.
Count American citizens ... what a concept
So why are we counting legal residents then?

And you wouldn't happen to be an originalist would you? Because boy do I have news for you on what the Founding Fathers intended when it came to calculating electoral votes and citizenship.
I already posted why thats not true. The minority has no voice in the popular vote.
Yeah they do, they literally get to vote. Having a voice does not equate to getting what you want, regardless of being the minority.
 
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