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PuertoRican said:
5 rounds obviously favors Wonderboy? How so?

I've never seen Wonderboy go 5 rounds before, and Hendricks knows what it's like to go 5 rounds.
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Okay "obviously" maybe too strong, but I really think it does. Hendricks has gone 5 yes, but he was also training for 5 round fights his entire camp. This changed with what, 11 days notice? Given how heavy he gets out of camp and his weight cutting issues, I'll take my chances with Wonderboy's cardio even if it's a bit untested.

Also, stylistically it favors Wonderboy. Each round starts standing, and using a wrestling-heavy gameplan takes a lot of energy. I had a very easy time seeing Hendricks take Wonderboy down and hold him there for 2 rounds and then even if he lost the 3rd he still wins. Much harder for me to see him continuing to hit takedowns and hold Wonderboy down over a longer fight.
 
It was a while ago granted but Wonderboy gassed badly against Brown only reason he lost that fight.
 
Agent Mulder said:
Why does so many people think that Hendricks has cardio issues? I have yet to see it. Also, higher body fat doesn't necessarily mean you have worse cardio.
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I mean, higher body fat means he's carrying more weight than he needs to, which is a drain on energy. He's definitely slowed down in a few fights as it is. The fact that he has higher body fat %, has had consistent issues with weight cutting, and is getting older (which correlates with tougher weight cuts for most) ... makes cardio a question mark. It's rational to question it even though, as you noted, Hendricks' cardio hasn't been a major flaw in any of his fights so far.
 
Sham5916910 said:
It was a while ago granted but Wonderboy gassed badly against Brown only reason he lost that fight.
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If im not mistaken wasn't that a higher paced fight with Brown pushing it as always? That is exactly how Hendricks gonna win this fight if he wants to win. But Wonderboy is a different fighter after that fight with Brown. Wrestling has improved in training with Weidman, and his cardio has improved aswell. I don't think either of those two are favorites in a 5 rounder.
 
Lots of question marks now that its 5 rounds, its true wonderboy can struggle and have his cardio zapped from him via hendricks constant take downs, but at the same time hendricks himself looked much worse in that recent robbie fight towards r4-r5, holding onto robbies legs just won't work when you have no energy also he has struggled with making weight and appears to enjoy food too much. Now that he no longer owns a restaurant maybe he can be on a better weight and shape coming in but the jury is still out on that one.

Wonderboy has never lost via sub/ko yet, perhaps hendricks has to take it to decision ?

I also feel wonderboy may have made major adjustments and training, I doubt he wants another brown type fight where he is shut down, so I like the underdog in wonderboy but reckon he will need a ko to get it and hendricks never been ko !

Lots of question marks on that fight, maybe hendricks decision hedged via wonderboy ko
 
jwms said:
I mean, higher body fat means he's carrying more weight than he needs to, which is a drain on energy. He's definitely slowed down in a few fights as it is. The fact that he has higher body fat %, has had consistent issues with weight cutting, and is getting older (which correlates with tougher weight cuts for most) ... makes cardio a question mark. It's rational to question it even though, as you noted, Hendricks' cardio hasn't been a major flaw in any of his fights so far.
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Higher body fat % does not necessarily correlate to cardio issues. That's a common misconception. You can probably think of a ton of fighters with low body fat % who gas out. I think a lot of people put too much stock into body composition. You see people think someone looks so shredded and in good shape at weigh ins, but a lot of times I look at that to mean the guy is dehydrated.
 
Although its true that Hendricks faded in in the later rounds vs Robbie he did have an absolutely terrible weight cut, we have to see ow he looks during the weigh ins but it seems that he has changed the way he approaches weight cuts now.
 
jwms said:
I mean, higher body fat means he's carrying more weight than he needs to, which is a drain on energy. He's definitely slowed down in a few fights as it is. The fact that he has higher body fat %, has had consistent issues with weight cutting, and is getting older (which correlates with tougher weight cuts for most) ... makes cardio a question mark. It's rational to question it even though, as you noted, Hendricks' cardio hasn't been a major flaw in any of his fights so far.
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They will weigh in on the same weight anyways (well hopefully) so i dont know if that is relevant. I think you could even argue that its more exhausting to carry a bigger % of muscle on the same amount of mass.
 
If Hendricks makes weight, I honestly see no reason to question his cardio. The Lawler rematch was probably his worst showing cardio wise, and its not like he completely gassed. He got tired. And its not like Wonderboy pushes a grueling pace.
 
Oblivian said:
Higher body fat % does not necessarily correlate to cardio issues. That's a common misconception. You can probably think of a ton of fighters with low body fat % who gas out. I think a lot of people put too much stock into body composition. You see people think someone looks so shredded and in good shape at weigh ins, but a lot of times I look at that to mean the guy is dehydrated.
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Sure. I don't disagree with what you're saying. I didn't say that higher body fat % necessarily correlates to cardio issues, merely that higher body fat means that he is necessarily carrying more weight than he needs to, and that does drain more energy than he needs to. It's inefficient. There's a higher likelihood that someone with higher body fat % will gas sooner than another individual, all other things being equal. That said, not all else is equal; perhaps Hendricks has trained better; perhaps he's got the mental willpower that blocks out fatigue better than others; perhaps he's developed endurance through his McDonalds marathons. Who knows.

Put being: higher body fat % + tougher weight cuts + getting older = rational to be wary of his ability to perform in a 5 round fight.

(I agree with everything you've written, though!)
 
Agent Mulder said:
They will weigh in on the same weight anyways (well hopefully) so i dont know if that is relevant. I think you could even argue that its more exhausting to carry a bigger % of muscle on the same amount of mass.
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You're right. It is exhausting to carry around muscle. But the idea is that muscle, if trained properly, will work *for* you in carrying that weight, whereas fat can crudely be considered 'dead weight' that doesn't help and does hurt you.

That's why it's also important to be wary of bodybuilding muscle types; they tend to carry unnecessary muscle that drags them down, just as fat does. Having big biceps won't help you punch harder, and doesn't help you carry your weight, so it's 'dead weight' just as a big Hendricks/Roy Nelson gut is.
 
Quoted from another sherdogger

"hendricks head will be shoved in wonderboys crotch all night"

Could end up being the quickest yet most accurate b/d yet
 
mkess101 said:
Voids all my over 2.5 bets and all my Wonderboy by dec bets. So basically 2 fights where I loved the lines now gone. If ML doesn't change I'm gonna add to Wonderboy. 5 rounds obviously favors him.
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all of my thompson dec and o2.5 bets are still pending on 5d..
 
Pretty simple outcome Hendricks puts Thompson on his back for the duration of most the fight. Thompson isn't going to be able to deal with the wrestlers of the Top 10.

Bank on it
 
is anyone sure of thompson-hendricks 5 rounds now? it still might be 3, right?
 
Hendricks/wonderboy is the main event, so by default Id imagine an 5 round head liner.

Evans vs shogun slated for April 16th
 
ok, ty

the 3 rd dec prop DEFINITELY gonna be voided. uncertain what theyr'e gonna do with ML's and O/U's people have bet. (i have o2.5 pending still)
 
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