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I agree they would do great.
I think a lot of people misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't suggesting that the 90s didn't have any historic teams, because they certainly did. I'm just trying plead my case of the 90s containing many garbage teams in the league - because many here think that era was stacked from top to bottom, which it was not.
I believe that no one in today's game, except for maybe guys like Gobert, M.Gasol, Capela, D.Jordan, and maybe Whiteside would be able to effectively guard the centers back then. And even these guys would all struggle because they're not accustomed to guarding other dominant bigs on a regular basis.
Simiarly, I also believe that the 90s would struggle to deal with the breed of point guards and athletic specimens from today's game.
The game has changed and many aspects of it have gotten weaker, but many aspects have also gained experience and gotten better.
Personally, I enjoyed the 2000s era the most so far. I really believe ball was at it's peak at that time.
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I don't think anyone ever made the claim that the 90s were "stacked from top to bottom", so you're really just going strawman there.
You're damn right that most of the current big men in this league would get absolutely eviscerated from the bigs of the 90s. Just look at the success someone like dwight coward had in his career despite his utter lack of any post moves.
Regarding the point guards: one of the biggest reasons you see more of them having success driving to the basket these days with impunity is because of the league having these pussy rules on flagrant fouls. These guys can drive into the lane and they have very little regard for any repercussions because any hard foul gets reviewed, and then there's that retarded suspension if you accumulate too many flagrants or technicals.
Totally different sport from what guys had to deal with in the days of the bad boy pistons, 90s knicks, etc.
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Dwert was also an athletic freak, though, so there's that
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Some people don't know bruh. I've seen it a countless number of times. They use the 'league is now weak' as a means to downplay what Lebron has done over the past several seasons.
That is true - the league has gone soft down low, and the point guards have an easier time getting to the rim and finishing due to the lack of true defensive bigs. It wouldn't be so easy to do that in the 90s. However, what they can't get inside, they will more than likely be able to get outside. The shooting abilities have immensely improved. The game revolves around the 3 now.
Let me ask you something, I know the game was more physical back then. I think I've stated this already, but the average player in the 90s was 6'5" tall and weighed just under 200 pounds. Today, the average player is nearly 6'7" tall and weighs in at roughly 220 lbs. Not only have the players gotten faster, but they've also gotten stronger (can't really say that for centers though because there really aren't any more true centers in the game). So, if forced to play a more physical brand of basketball, you really don't think that these players - who for the most case, are bigger and stronger - would succeed?
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I've seen the argument made that overall the teams from jordan's era were more competitive and he had to go up against tougher opponents than lebron's team have had to face, which is hard to argue against. As I stated before, this year, the cavs' hardest competition was a shit-tier celtics squad who relied on a 5'4 midget to be their primary option on offense. Any time lebron-led teams had to face competition where talent was evenly matched, he's floundered badly. The only way he's been able to win is when his teams have a huge disparity of talent. That's hardly the mark of someone who is allegedly #2 and "closing in on" #1 in the panels of all time greats.
The reason there is a disparity in terms of size is I think due in large part to something vd alluded to earlier: players in this era are relying more on size/athleticism than they are on talent/skills (e.g. dwight howard: a physical specimen with very low b-ball iq, and completely inept at shooting, or post moves, but considered a top player for many years).
Despite an advantage in terms of "average size", I very much doubt that they'd be able to handle the physicality of yesteryear's players because they simply are not accustomed to having to deal with guys bodying them, hand-checking them, getting fouled hard and just having it be a common foul instead of a tech or flagrant.
Why haven't more players been coached to use Hardens shooting style; where if the defender holds his arm out you just push the ball through his haves and shoot to draw the foul.
Quick shooters like Klay Thompson seem like they would be unstoppable with that.
Quick shooters like Klay Thompson seem like they would be unstoppable with that.
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That's true - the Cavs road to the finals this year was relatively easier indeed. However, that hasn't always been the case. In 2011, James had to go through a 62 win Chicago Bulls team - which featured the league MVP at the time in Derrick Rose - and a healthy 56 win Boston Celtics team, who - lets be honest - would have likely won the chip' that year had they made it past Miami (although that meltdown vs. the Mavericks was just hard to watch). In 2012, Lebron had to go through that very same Boston Celtics squad and a young but fierce Indiana Pacers team whom had won 42 games (recall: this was the lockout season), all without the 3rd best player on his team (Bosh). The emergence of Paul George took place over the next few seasons and the Pacers became a real threat, but Lebron and Co. were still able to take care of business.
James has had his fair share of tough opponents in the eastern conference. And when we look at these past 2-3 years, his finals competition has been some of the toughest in NBA history.
Really? The man has been an underdog 6 out of 8 times in the finals. His team was an underdog in 2012, yet they still won. They were underdogs in 2015, yet, even without Kyrie and Love, Lebron had his team up 2-1 and on the verge of a championship against a heavy favorite. Last seaon, he wasn't supposed to win against the so-called "greatest team in NBA history", but we all know what happened. In 2013, that Spurs team was more than evenly matched with Miami. How about in 2007 against the powerhouse Pistons? Lebron wasn't supposed to win that series.
He has beaten a boat load of teams that had 'more talent'.
Yes that is definitely true. Players rely more on athleticism than they do skill nowadays. But that's the game today. It's an 'athletes' sport. That doesn't however, mean that the individuals of today's era are far less skilled. They are 'less skilled' in areas which a) do not effectively complement their athletic abilities, and b) which don't trend along with how the game is now played. Some examples include, post-ups, half-court execution, etc.
Fair enough. It would definitely take getting used to.
I believe the players of today's generation are a bit tougher than they make themselves out to be. We would see less flopping and less 'acting' if the league would completely omit and penalize those aspects of the sport, but the players know they can get away with it and maybe even earn a few calls in their favor by performing those acts. I personally hate it, and just like many of you have said, the league has gone soft, perhaps too soft for it's own good.
Like I previously mentioned, I personally believe the 2000s was the epitome of ball. That era had basically the best of all worlds - physicality without punishment, inside post-play, outside post-play, outside shooting, mid-range game, half-court execution, run-and-gun, little flopping, little tanking, great defense and offense, etc. It was just truly entertaining and fascinating to witness.
I never buy into the Lebron vs. Jordan debates. I believe they are simply a waste of time (although I certainly acknowledge that currently Jordan is the undisputed GOAT). MJ and LJ are 2 different individuals and they played in 2 different eras. Look at Magic, Jordan, Bird - these guys have their own legend, and one day Lebron will have his own too. I acknowledge the greatness of James in an unbiased way - I think that's why a lot of people lose their shit here from time to time, because supposedly there's an unwritten law that states "you can't appreciate the greatness of both Jordan and Lebron!".
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those dinosaur Cs would struggle to guard their own end, too, with Cs that can hit jumpers, bring them out the paint, but them in PnRS consistently and hit 3s.
It works both ways.
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Sweet Lou was doing that before Harden was in the league. Its a legit move, after Lou was on the Raptors DeKobe started doing it on the regular and getting even more fouls, too.
Watching Harden and Lou on the same team doing it is pretty funny. Other teams get frustrated af.
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It just doesn't seem overly complicated.
Harden gets someone airborne and he is getting contact, Curry gets someone airborne and he dribbles the ball to get another shot off.
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Hey relax bud I was being srs
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I made a Lavar Ball account on RealGM last night, got banned in record time.
Only 13 posts, but I had like 55 And1's lmao, I posted in the Heat thread, I think that's what killed me.
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I saw it fam, weren't you trying to get an av or something
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