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Patrick Jane said:
Haven't heard the term "crappling" in a long while. I have to start using it more, lmao

Spider-Mans technique is also justifiable because he usually fights guys jacked like prime Bork Laser so gable gripping is going to be some Wilfried Dietrich level challenge to begin with.

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Little does he realize that being able to effectively leverage a brute force bodylock is an actual technique and being unable to prevent it is a display of a lack of technical skill. What really rustles my jimmies about this claim which i keep hearing is that even if you accept this logic on surface level, it still doesn't make sense in a Judo context because unlike wrestling, you can just use a tiny piece of Gi or belt to connect your hands without them locking or even touching each other. I once knew this guy who always went for pseudo-full nelsons this way.


Yeah, because Judo was totally known for everybody having to go into a low Sumo stance back in the day because the super duper devestating and game changing effectiveness of leg grabs made any normal stance useless. So Judo had to take a book out of the Greco-Roman wrestling book where the contestants fight in an upright stance.

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Bizarre grip restrictions ensure that only the best of the best win fair and square. <lol>

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Lol look at the size of Karelin‘s wrist next to that ref‘s hand.
 
Can someone explain the upper inner thigh rule? Why would that not work for kata guruma and te guruma?

Otherwise i find that it‘s very positive.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
Can someone explain the upper inner thigh rule? Why would that not work for kata guruma and te guruma?

Otherwise i find that it‘s very positive.
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Because you usually grab around the leg in Kata Guruma and Te Guruma. The grips that are legal below the waist now end with your butt cheeks. As soon as your inner thigh starts, it's no no from what i understand.
 
Patrick Jane said:
Because you usually grab around the leg in Kata Guruma and Te Guruma. The grips that are legal below the waist now end with your butt cheeks. As soon as your inner thigh starts, it's no no from what i understand.
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Grajdanin I DK WTF you are talking about. Please talk to me as would to a small child.
 
Patrick Jane said:
At which point it would not be an inner thigh grip anymore but a intestinal grip. Not sure about the legality of of holding your uke by the guts.
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All joked aside I find the rule very poorly worded in the vids I watched. Like these bureaucrats made it ambiguous on purpose, or they are borderline inept.
To me it sounds like like either:
A) you cannot grab the leg, period (including the tigh) but can grab the skirt below the belt even if your hand also touches the tigh. This is not a material change but merely depenalises grabbing some of the skirt below the belt when going for a deep belt grab for example. Or:
B) you can grab the inside upper tigh, which is essentially the area between bottom of skirt and anus. They seem to differentiate between leg and upper tigh but again, ambiguous wording.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
All joked aside I find the rule very poorly worded in the vids I watched. Like these bureaucrats made it ambiguous on purpose, or they are borderline inept.
To me it sounds like like either:
A) you cannot grab the leg, period (including the tigh) but can grab the skirt below the belt even if your hand also touches the tigh. This is not a material change but merely depenalises grabbing some of the skirt below the belt when going for a deep belt grab for example. Or:
B) you can grab the inside upper tigh, which is essentially the area between bottom of skirt and anus. They seem to differentiate between leg and upper tigh but again, ambiguous wording.
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I believe the reason why they even used the weird "inner thigh" term is that it is kind of ambiguous where the thigh ends and the hip begins, so they basically use the crotch, which is where the inner thigh clearly ends, as a clear line as to where you can not grab anymore. If i had to deduce the logic behind it it would go as follows: Their prime motivation is to create action, so they hate leg grabs because some people cling onto legs in order to awkwardly stall. At the same time, the recent Olympics have shown that excessive shidos for stupid technicalities ruin the action just as much (wow, who would have guessed?), so they allow grips below the waist in order to prevent you getting shidos for defensive gripping during struggles but at the same time they prevent you from gaining a more immobilizing grip around a single leg.

A lot of confusion about the rule seems to stem from people misinterpreting the intention of it as to allow you to use a wider variety of different throwing techniques than before.
 
Patrick Jane said:
I believe the reason why they even used the weird "inner thigh" term is that it is kind of ambiguous where the thigh ends and the hip begins, so they basically use the crotch, which is where the inner thigh clearly ends, as a clear line as to where you can not grab anymore. If i had to deduce the logic behind it it would go as follows: Their prime motivation is to create action, so they hate leg grabs because some people cling onto legs in order to awkwardly stall. At the same time, the recent Olympics have shown that excessive shidos for stupid technicalities ruin the action just as much (wow, who would have guessed?), so they allow grips below the waist in order to prevent you getting shidos for defensive gripping during struggles but at the same time they prevent you from gaining a more immobilizing grip around a single leg.

A lot of confusion about the rule seems to stem from people misinterpreting the intention of it as to allow you to use a wider variety of different throwing techniques than before.
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Seriously, bunch of autists who think people CBF to „interpret their intention“ as if it‘s the old testament or something.
 
Look I'm just a dumbass old and busted club shodan...but I'm also senior enlisted w 20+ years in the military so...

Why the fuck in the fuck would you make rules that are so stupidly overly complicated and vague?

I'm no idiot and I'm somewhat proficient in speaking government but my god these rules readings are ****redacted****

The IJF is obviously so beaurocratic they make messages and policy from **redacted*** simple and easy to follow.

When was the last time these fucks competed, coached, or reffed?

I can tell you... no meaningful times in years, because competitors, coaches and (good..ahem) refs (because they were competitors and coaches prior) love things simple...

To quote an old coach vs official conversation

Official: "i dont have to explain sir, the rules are clear"
Coach: "I dunno I've been in this sport for over 40 years, and I can't even understand what you just did, so explain it to me instead of the kid you just hanso'd"

Same tournament where they were measuring gis on 6 YEAR OLDS!!!!
 
Thrawn33 said:
Look I'm just a dumbass old and busted club shodan...but I'm also senior enlisted w 20+ years in the military so...

Why the fuck in the fuck would you make rules that are so stupidly overly complicated and vague?

I'm no idiot and I'm somewhat proficient in speaking government but my god these rules readings are ****redacted****

The IJF is obviously so beaurocratic they make messages and policy from **redacted*** simple and easy to follow.

When was the last time these fucks competed, coached, or reffed?

I can tell you... no meaningful times in years, because competitors, coaches and (good..ahem) refs (because they were competitors and coaches prior) love things simple...

To quote an old coach vs official conversation

Official: "i dont have to explain sir, the rules are clear"
Coach: "I dunno I've been in this sport for over 40 years, and I can't even understand what you just did, so explain it to me instead of the kid you just hanso'd"

Same tournament where they were measuring gis on 6 YEAR OLDS!!!!
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The biggest irony is that when i watch old Judo matches from the 90's or something, the action doesn't even look significantly different from now, just with less shidos. Talk about failing to achieve your goals.
 
Thrawn33 said:
Look I'm just a dumbass old and busted club shodan...but I'm also senior enlisted w 20+ years in the military so...

Why the fuck in the fuck would you make rules that are so stupidly overly complicated and vague?

I'm no idiot and I'm somewhat proficient in speaking government but my god these rules readings are ****redacted****

The IJF is obviously so beaurocratic they make messages and policy from **redacted*** simple and easy to follow.

When was the last time these fucks competed, coached, or reffed?

I can tell you... no meaningful times in years, because competitors, coaches and (good..ahem) refs (because they were competitors and coaches prior) love things simple...

To quote an old coach vs official conversation

Official: "i dont have to explain sir, the rules are clear"
Coach: "I dunno I've been in this sport for over 40 years, and I can't even understand what you just did, so explain it to me instead of the kid you just hanso'd"

Same tournament where they were measuring gis on 6 YEAR OLDS!!!!
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The fat old dude with the coral belt demonstrating the rules in the vids isn‘t some kind of judo monument?
 
Does anyone here use Judo.tv? I've never tried it but I listen to Shintaro Higashi every episode and that guy has got me wanting to train Judo and watch Judo, He is ramming Judo down my throat and I love it.
 
Looking forward to starting judo again in the near future. Can't really start until 6 months to a year from now for father duties but will be getting my body ready in the meantime.
 
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