Judo Official Judo Thread

Thrawn33 said:
Just earned BJJ Blue, will my BJJ team still call me Judo Guy?
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I once thought i would forever be the "Judo guy" but now after im one of the most experienced competitors in my club and have actually done more bjj than judo i have finally lost the moniker. You have long way to go grasshoppa
 
Going to Wakefield to train at Pedro's Judo Center tonight. Excited.
 
speaking of sandbagging I think I'm finally testing! Judo of course. it's too fun being the worlds best white belt at BJJ.
 
BJJ coaches:
"Don't forget after labor day we're back in gi s"
Several teammates to me:
"Shit better work on my falls and guard pulls"
 
Thrawn33 said:
Just earned BJJ Blue, will my BJJ team still call me Judo Guy?
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They will if you hand wave them to standing in every roll and then ken ken osoto them into the mat, over and over again. So go for that.
 
Whenever a man deliberately put himself on his back spreading his legs I always fear something bad is going to happen…
 
Gorbag said:
Whenever a man deliberately put himself on his back spreading his legs I always fear something bad is going to happen…
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Yeah the hotel cleaning staff will castrate him if he masturbates in their general direction........
 
Burning Hammer said:
Out of curiosity, what belt are you in Judo? I always assumed that a Black Belt in Judo was a purple in BJJ.
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It's definitely not. Not by a long shot. Very few Judo shodans would really be able to do anything on the ground with a competitive purple belt. The sports have just diverged too much in terms of technical repertoire.
 
Gorbag said:
Whenever a man deliberately put himself on his back spreading his legs I always fear something bad is going to happen…
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You're going to get arm barred?
 
Uchi Mata said:
You're going to get arm barred?
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Only if I'm careless and enter too far into the mouse trap! When Conor knocked down Nate, he just stayed away and didn't even engage the guard - which may be a smart strategy when fighting good jiujiteros...
 
Uchi Mata said:
It's definitely not. Not by a long shot. Very few Judo shodans would really be able to do anything on the ground with a competitive purple belt. The sports have just diverged too much in terms of technical repertoire.
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That was my experience too. Once a purple, they are good at the modern guards which Judo people don't deal with at all. So Judo people have a high initial roadblock when they cross over. You might be able to bulldoze past a blue but not a purple, usually. For competitive Judo players maybe the bar is brown but that's an even higher bar.

I saw on Facebook today a former national Judo champ got awarded his BJJ brown by Fabio Santos. Didn't know he was doing BJJ, but he was a great player. So yeah, brown is about right as the bar for people of that level.
 
Also, my toddler put me in closed guard today, and said "I got you!" Funny thing is, I never taught her or showed her any grappling. It was just a game for her, and she kept replacing guard as I got my legs out (standing). She even did the butterfly hooks to try to get her half guard back, pushed with her hands to keep me from pulling my leg out, and did a little shrimp when I passed both legs to replace half guard.
 
QingTian said:
That was my experience too. Once a purple, they are good at the modern guards which Judo people don't deal with at all. So Judo people have a high initial roadblock when they cross over. You might be able to bulldoze past a blue but not a purple, usually. For competitive Judo players maybe the bar is brown but that's an even higher bar.

I saw on Facebook today a former national Judo champ got awarded his BJJ brown by Fabio Santos. Didn't know he was doing BJJ, but he was a great player. So yeah, brown is about right as the bar for people of that level.
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I think it's important to distinguish between skill and technical repertoire. A competitive nidan or sandan is probably going to have roughly equivalent skill on the mat to an average BJJ purple belt, what they won't have is knowledge of the same set of moves because of the divergence between the mat techniques used in the two sports. When I do ne waza with nationally ranked Judoka, they're very strong and hard to deal with in positions they know (closed guard, turtle, etc.) but it's easy for me to beat them just by going to positions from BJJ they're unfamiliar with. I would expect however that a really good competitive judoka would be able to pick up most of the aspects of BJJ they're unfamiliar with very quickly, simply because their overall grappling acumen is so high.
 
If you have a mixed group of competitive judokas and BJJ practitioners try this experiment; let them do judo randori, divide into two groups 8 minutes on/off and let the guys that are resting act as referee and reset people to standing when stalling on the ground or submission or pin (or ippon from throw etc.), to make it similar to a judo shiai. Of course the judo guys will own the jiujitsu guy standing but they will usually own them on the ground also - being much more efficient and dangerous in the transition window and attacking or defending the turtle etc.
 
Gorbag said:
If you have a mixed group of competitive judokas and BJJ practitioners try this experiment; let them do judo randori, divide into two groups 8 minutes on/off and let the guys that are resting act as referee and reset people to standing when stalling on the ground or submission or pin (or ippon from throw etc.), to make it similar to a judo shiai. Of course the judo guys will own the jiujitsu guy standing but they will usually own them on the ground also - being much more efficient and dangerous in the transition window and attacking or defending the turtle etc.
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What would be the point of that? I would expect the Judo guys to do well under Judo rules, standing or ground. Just the reset on the ground alone eliminates most of the game plans in BJJ (BJJ being a more slow and methodical art against a stalling opponent).
 
Uchi Mata said:
What would be the point of that? I would expect the Judo guys to do well under Judo rules, standing or ground. Just the reset on the ground alone eliminates most of the game plans in BJJ (BJJ being a more slow and methodical art against a stalling opponent).
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The point is just to show that its all determined by the rules, not only about "skills on the ground" per se. You play judo with me and I may very well submit or pin you in my judo ground game - even if you are a very good blackbelt in your BJJ ground game.
 
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Gorbag said:
The point is just to show that its all determined by the rules, not only about "skills on the ground" per se. You play judo with me and I may very well submit or pin you in my judo ground game - even if you are a very good blackbelt in your BJJ ground game.
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I think it's pretty unlike you'd submit a BJJ BB, but you will throw them and if they get you to the ground they won't have time to work their game. But yeah, ultimately it's all determined by the rules. Judo guys are going to be the best at the matwork in Judo, that shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
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