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That's not a surprise considering the XBONE and PS4 are 4 years old.
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It's "massive" if we're talking about the AIO contracts that companies like Lenovo, HP, Dell, and the rest negotiate to order the components for the builds they sell which typically don't conform to universal (i.e. ATX) standards-- deliberately. They purposely preclude as much upgrade potential as possible.
That's not what we're talking about, here. This it the custom PC building market. These are individual component prices, not massive direct orders from Intel/AMD themselves. They aren't paying these prices with their economy of scale, and of course the i3s with the iGPUs make more sense for their builds. They make more sense for HTPC builders, too. That's my point. HTPC building is a niche within a niche market itself. Most builders are gamers.
That's why my bullet list in post #313 was titled, "Gaming CPU Buying Points". One doesn't game with iGPUs. The i3's are a dead horse with the gaming community. They haven't made a lick of sense as a purchase for gamers since Haswell.
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Fuck me. Solid piece of trivia, Rup. I was oblivious.
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Yeah, the "gaming PC market" hit 30 billion (USD) last year. Most of the growth coming from Asia (in countries where console gaming has less support).
The console hardware market was worth 10.5 billion.
It's supposed to be a different story this year, with the arrival of new consoles, but with a stronger PC gaming market in the years which follow.
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Yeah, I saw that article when I Googled after reading what you wrote. That's nothing to sneeze at, so I'm stoked. In many industries that would be a leading sub-market juggernaut.
But when you read that Apple by itself raked in $78.4bn total revenue for that same quarter, and that's almost entirely from the sale of iPhones and iPads, you comprehend the sense of scale.
http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-vs-apple-galaxy-iphone-smartphone-revenue-chart-2017-2
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Oh yes, the mobile market has definitely cratered the PC market in general (and if you combine laptops in with smartphones, tablets and other devices, it's a massacre).
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These numbers don't take into account the amount of 3rd party business that Samsung does with other phone manufacturers. They make the chips for Qualcomm and at least two Chinese based phone manufacturers. They are focusing more and more of their efforts in becoming a major parts supplier. This is something that Apple does not have they don't even manufacture their cellphone chip.
At first I was looking at the 1700X for a new build but now I'm really looking forward to that 12-core Threadripper. Although if AMD can't narrow the massive gaming gap and if the new 8-core 7820X gets a sizeable discount I will opt for that.
Despite the high RAM, SSD, and GPU prices this is an amazing time to build a PC. It hasn't been this exciting since Intel introduced the Bloomfield i7's in 2008(can't believe it's been almost 9 years).
Despite the high RAM, SSD, and GPU prices this is an amazing time to build a PC. It hasn't been this exciting since Intel introduced the Bloomfield i7's in 2008(can't believe it's been almost 9 years).
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what?! these are the most important parts of a computer
hell na it aint a good time
We've seen these exact same price increases numerous times. My point is that PC technology hasn't made this kind of big leap available to average consumers in some time and that's exciting.
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The i9-7900x is the closest intel sku available right now to the 1950x. AMD has more physical cores 10/20 vs 12/24. Intel has the higher clock speed 3.3ghz/4.3ghz vs 3.4ghz/4.0ghz. AMD wins in PCI lanes 44 vs 64. Both support quad channel memory. Intel is more power efficient 140w vs 180w.
It's would be a pretty easy to choice but it's not ramming there dicks into intel. If Skylake X had better OC gains, I would consider the i9-7900x for my personal use.
Odds are the i9-7920x coming out, their 12/24 core chip, will have an ever higher clock than the 7900x but will be $200 more than the 1950x
One thing we should all be happy about is they're both using the X suffix for the HEDT stuff.
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You could end up buying a fake AMD Ryzen CPU on Amazon... be vigilant
PC Games N said:Reports are surfacing of fake AMD Ryzen CPUs being sold through online store giant Amazon. The key’s in the details…
AMD’s Ryzen processors are some handy slices of silicon, but are they the best you can get? Check out our guide to the best CPUs for gaming (link) to find out.
It would appear scammers have been fiddling with our beloved processors, after two Amazon users have posted news of receiving faked Ryzen processors only a week apart from each other. The first report came a little over a week ago, showing an Intel chip with the blue team branding scrubbed off and replaced with AMD markings. A second followed soon after, which redditors have noted featured a different CPU SKU, but the same design of unofficial branding as before, leading to speculation that the two instances are the work of the same scammer (or team of scammers).
These fake processors appear to be part of a scam designed to fool Amazon’s checks of returned products. Scammers would remove the real Ryzen processor, replace it with their newly rebranded, old CPU, and return the package - provided the weight and appearance were close enough to the real thing to fool Amazon’s staff, the scammers get to walk away with a fresh new chip gratis. The mock-up would then end up back in circulation, which would explain how other customers got their hands on them via Amazon.
More seasoned PC builders would notice the fake chips have a land grid array (LGA) design, rather than the pin grid array (PGA) design the current Ryzen chips actually sport. First time builders could be fooled however, and if more of these fake chips were to make their way into the mainstream we could see new PC builders put off by the added uncertainty in an already complex learning process.
Fortunately, the smooth LGA underside of the fake chips and pin-free socket for current-gen Ryzen chips means it’d be tougher for newbies to damage their new motherboards by forcing the components together - after all, you can’t bend your pins if there aren’t any pins to bend.
Our first unlucky contestant reports Amazon has sent a replacement with overnight express delivery, so fortunately the story has a happy ending. We can only presume the same happened for the more recent recipient of a fake Ryzen, but this news raises a scary question: how many more fake Ryzens haven’t been reported, and how many are still out there in circulation?
Thanks, WCCFTech.
Amazon is becoming a risky place to buy from in general. Third part Chinese firms have been dumping product on there pretty heavily. Combined with their absurd review farms, it is going to be difficult to navigate real products from fakes until Amazon cracks down.
It is harder than it seems. Even in the game industry bots are rampant and these Chinese firms are not joke. They are very sophisticated. Check out these phones running on full automation posting reviews:
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Damn, I just checked the UserBenchmark comparison of the R3-1300X to the i5-7400. Looks like my buying point above needs the emboldened fix. That purchase makes NO sense anymore-- even for guys who don't overclock:
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-1300X/3886vs3930
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"frontier edition is like far more of a piece of garbage than other reviews necessarily have indicated." "it's a bad product" Linus on the most recent Wan Show, starts at 21:38
@Madmick where did that score come from? I know cpubenchmark but I haven't seen anyone even mention they have the chip for testing. I'm guessing the i3-7120 is intel's "oh shit" reaction to the r3-1300x.
@Madmick where did that score come from? I know cpubenchmark but I haven't seen anyone even mention they have the chip for testing. I'm guessing the i3-7120 is intel's "oh shit" reaction to the r3-1300x.
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The benchmark for what? The R3-1300X's? Those are from the UserBenchmark suite. 2 benchmarks. One from Great Britain, and one from the USA. Details below:
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/4386396
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/4370886
I don't know what the hell Intel is doing with the i3 line, at this point, TBH, but I didn't post a benchmark for that CPU. Don't need to. It won't matter if the thing overclocks and hyperthreads; not when the 1300X is out there for $129. There's just no point to a dual core CPU for over $100, anymore.
Coffee Lake will be the first real answer to Ryzen and its pricing that I've seen. Just leaked yesterday:
Intel Coffee Lake Core i7-8700K Flagship 6 Core Specifications Leaked – 4.3 GHz Single Core Boost, 4.0 GHz Six Core Boost, 95W TDP, Supported on LGA 1151 Socket, Two More 6 Core SKUs Detailed
Yep. You read that right. Intel is kicking the i5 line up to six cores:WCCF Tech said:Latest specifications of Intel’s upcoming 8th generation Coffee Lake desktop processor family have leaked out. The latest details come from multiple sources and confirm the clock speeds of the new hexa core chips that will be available for the first time on Intel’s mainstream platform.
Intel Coffee Lake Six Core Processor Details Leak Out – Core i7-8700K Clocks Up To 4.3 GHz
Now the details are really interesting and they also confirm a few things which we have heard in the previous week. The leak comes straight from an Intel manifesto which shows three products that are based on the Coffee Lake architecture. It should be pointed out that all three CPUs have six cores and that’s really interesting. We can tell that the fastest model is the Core i7-8700k but don’t know exactly what the remaining two chips would be called at launch.
Intel Core i7-8700K – The Flagship and First Six Core Mainstream CPU With 4.3 GHz Boost Clocks
So for the details, the first processor is the Core i7-8700K. This chip has 6 cores and 12 threads. The chip is clocked at a base frequency of 3.7 GHz and has a minimum core frequency set at 0.8 GHz which is for idle mode. The chip features a boost clock of 4.3 GHz on a single core, 4.2 GHz in dual core mode while quad and hexa core boost clocks are rated at 4.0 GHz which is impressive. The CPU has a BCLK frequency of 100 MHz which is expected from Intel CPUs. The chip features an unlocked multiplier as suggested by the “IA (Intel Architecture) Overclock Capable” panel.
The chip has dual channel memory support with native speeds of 2400 MHz. There’s a total of 12 MB of smart cache on the processor, referring to the total L3 cache. The chip will be shipping with Intel’s GT2 level graphics core with a minimum clock speed of 350 MHz. The interesting thing is that the chip packs a 95W TDP and is compatible with the LGA 1151 socket which means that Intel may allow Coffee Lake support on 200-series and even 100-series motherboards although there will be a new chipset known as Z390 launching alongside the chips.
The other two processors are very interesting too. There’s another 95W chip that features clock speeds of 3.2 GHz base, 3.6 GHz (single core / dual core) boost and 3.4 GHz (quad core and hexa core) boost. This chip also supports overclocking but the clock speeds are rather lower for it to be a Core i5 K-Series chip. The other is a 65W part so we can take a guess that this is a T-Series, low TDP chip that comes with clock speeds of 3.1 GHz base but higher boost speeds of 4.2 GHz (single core), 4.1 GHz (dual core) and 3.9 GHz (quad and hexa core) boost clocks. Remaining specifications of the chips are rather similar.
Moving on, we have a CPU-z screenshot of an Intel Coffee Lake chip with 6 cores and 12 threads. This chip shows a 80W TDP and a clock speed of 3.50 GHz which boosts up to 3.9 GHz across all cores. There’s no such chip mentioned in the Intel manifesto but it’s a really interesting finding by Videocardz. It may turn out to be a very early engineering sample which it shows it is so final clock speeds and TDP may be even higher.
Intel Coffee Lake S CPU Lineup To Feature Hyperthreaded Core i7 and Core i5 Models With Up To 6 Cores, Core i3 To Boast 4 Cores – Support Recommended on Z370 Platform With LGA 1151 V2 Socket
The Coffee Lake S family which is the codename for the mainstream desktop platform is already known to feature the first 6 core mainstream processor from Intel. The processor lineup will launch in the third quarter with a release focused around August at Gamescom 2017. The release will include a series of 6 and 4 core models. There will also be dual core models added to the lineup but later in the first quarter of 2018.
The new 6 core parts will feature 50% more cores, threads and cache compared to current offerings. So we are looking at next-generation Core i7 mainstream SKUs with 6 cores, 12 threads and 12 MB of L3 cache. Similarly, the Core i5 models will be the first Intel mainstream models with full support for hyperthreading. The Core i5 models will ship with 6 core, non hyperthreaded and 4 core, hyperthreaded SKUs. There is internal discussion at Intel to allow hyper threading support on even the six core variants which would be nice.
The Core i5 models will ship with 4 cores, 8 threads and 8 MB of L3 LLC (Last Level Cache). This is up from 4 cores, 4 threads and 6 MB of LLC on the current Core i5 model. All models in the Coffee Lake S family will feature the next generation Intel GT2 tier graphics chip.The Pentium series will include 2 cores, 4 threads and up to 4 MB of L3 cache. There will also be some models with 3 MB L3 cache while featuring GT1 tier graphics chips.
Six core coming to mainstream platforms sounds great but there’s still a lot that needs to be done. AMD has six and eight core processors on their mainstream platform that perform great and do so at amazing prices. If Intel really wants to show their support for desktop mainstream users, then it may have to be a mix of great performance and competitive pricing otherwise Ryzen may take the cake once again.
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If the i5 rumors are true, then they need to bump i3's up to a true 4 core without hyperthreading. leave the pentium as 2/2.The benchmark for what? The R3-1300X's? Those are from the UserBenchmark suite. 2 benchmarks. One from Great Britain, and one from the USA. Details below:
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/4386396
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/4370886
I don't know what the hell Intel is doing with the i3 line, at this point, TBH, but I didn't post a benchmark for that CPU. Don't need to. It won't matter if the thing overclocks and hyperthreads; not when the 1300X is out there for $129. There's just no point to a dual core CPU for over $100, anymore.
Coffee Lake will be the first real answer to Ryzen and its pricing that I've seen. Just leaked yesterday:
Intel Coffee Lake Core i7-8700K Flagship 6 Core Specifications Leaked – 4.3 GHz Single Core Boost, 4.0 GHz Six Core Boost, 95W TDP, Supported on LGA 1151 Socket, Two More 6 Core SKUs Detailed
Yep. You read that right. Intel is kicking the i5 line up to six cores:
I'm not liking those i5-8400 numbers, 2.8ghz wtf. The 7400 is 3.0ghz right now. I'm surprised it's only got a 65w tdp.
If you want to build a 1080p machine, it's a great time to buy a CPU. I wish the rest of the prices would fall back to normal.
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