Official AMD "Ryzen" CPU Discussion

[jefferz]

Gigabyte Epyc board. Holy bejesus

• 16 x DDR4 DIMM slots supporting 8-channel memory
• RDIMM modules up to 32GB / LRDIMM and NVDIMM modules up to 64GB
• DDR4-2677/2400/2133MHz support
• Dual SFP+ 10Gb/s LAN ports (Broadcom BCM 57810S)
• Dedicated management port
• 4 X SlimSAS for 16 SATA 6Gbps ports
• M.2 with PCIe Gen3 x4 interface
• Up to 4 x PCIe Gen3 x16 slots and 3 x PCIe Gen3 x8 slots
• Aspeed AST2500 remote management controller

Gigabyte GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI Mini-ITX AM4 . I don't think I've ever seen SATA connections at the top of the board.

 

[dAfTiE]

I like that mini ITX board. If I end up going with a Ryzen 5 for my upcoming NAS build that one might do the trick.

 

[jefferz]

I like that mini ITX board. If I end up going with a Ryzen 5 for my upcoming NAS build that one might do the trick.

I forgot it has RGB also

 

[dAfTiE]

Ugh. My shit has so many LEDs in it now. Looks like a fucking christmas tree, it's disgusting.
At least I have solid doors so I can't really see it.

 

[jefferz]

AMD announced Pro Series chips today.

four things that the Ryzen PRO bring to the table that give it its PRO designation: enhanced security features, enterprise-class manageability, processor and platform longevity, and enhanced quality

AMD Ryzen PRO Specifications
Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X 8/16 3.5 GHz 3.7 GHz
Ryzen 7 PRO 1700 3 GHz 3.7 GHz 65 W
Ryzen 5 PRO 1600 6/12 3.2 GHz 3.6 GHz
Ryzen 5 PRO 1500 4/8 3.5 GHz 3.7 GHz
Ryzen 3 PRO 1300 4/4 3.5 GHz 3.7 GHz
Ryzen 3 PRO 1200 4/4 3.1 GHz 3.4 GHz

It looks like the R3's are going to be competing with i5's. 4 cores, no hyper threading. Frequencies are in the same range also. They're showing the same TDP at 65w also. Ryzen has more L2 & L3 cache though.

 

[Madmick]

^^^
Those appear to target the business sector with those enhanced (W)LAN features. I figured they would have led such a release with a focus on their Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9 chips in order to target Intel's server business. Maybe that's on the horizon.

 

[jefferz]

^^^
Those appear to target the business sector with those enhanced (W)LAN features. I figured they would have led such a release with a focus on their Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9 chips in order to target Intel's server business. Maybe that's on the horizon.

It looks like the extras in the pro version doesn't have any benefits to gamers.
It's weird that they announced the Pro version of the R3's before they announced the regular R3's.

apparently the r3's are going after i3's

 

[Madmick]

It looks like the extras in the pro version doesn't have any benefits to gamers.
It's weird that they announced the Pro version of the R3's before they announced the regular R3's.

apparently the r3's are going after i3's

Not sure how much longer the i3/Pentium (and R3) processors are going to remain relevant as discrete purchases. Those AIO office builds (that Apple innovated with the iMac when it became a standalone monitor that held the guts of the computer in the monitor itself) are devouring the "Basic Task Worker" market in offices across the land. Officer managers and small business owners just want to shit out $300-$400 for glorified word processors with basic internet connectivity features and functionality, and that needs to include everything: display, computer, and keyboard + mouse.

 

[jefferz]

Not sure how much longer the i3/Pentium (and R3) processors are going to remain relevant as discrete purchases. Those AIO office builds (that Apple innovated with the iMac when it became a standalone monitor that held the guts of the computer in the monitor itself) are devouring the "Basic Task Worker" market in offices across the land. Officer managers and small business owners just want to shit out $300-$400 for glorified word processors with basic internet connectivity features and functionality, and that needs to include everything: display, computer, and keyboard + mouse.

With Pentiums getting hyper threading the i3's don't make sense anymore for the normal budget office pc. In an office setting, you wouldn't even notice the 5% difference between a Pentium g4560 and an i3-7100. The Pentium is about half the cost as well.
The budget office pc tierof hardware is by far the best selling tier out there, I don't understand why AMD doesn't have anything out there yet. They did, or are doing, a Bull Dozer APU chip on the AM4 socket but it's pointless.
Hopefully it forces Intel to step up to 4/4 in the i3 range.

I have one of those colored iMac's that still work. I picked it up for a project and never got around to it.

 

[Madmick]

I have one of those colored iMac's that still work. I picked it up for a project and never got around to it.

LOL, worst Mac of all time. Bestselling computer in history. SMH.

It was a huge step up for that line when it went to the Display AIO design; ironically, that was the change that received the most bitching. It wasn't worth buying before that (and I'm not just talking about that ancient colored model).

 

[dAfTiE]

LOL, worst Mac of all time. Bestselling computer in history. SMH.

It was a huge step up for that line when it went to the Display AIO design; ironically, that was the change that received the most bitching. It wasn't worth buying before that (and I'm not just talking about that ancient colored model).

They make for beautiful aquariums though.

 

[jefferz]

R3's are shipping on July 27th.

 

[Madmick]

R3's are shipping on July 27th.

Ryzen 3 1300X to cost $129 and the 1200 just $109 (Exc VAT)
Hmm....so do we have a new viable buying point out there in the $75-$150 range again, finally? It's been Pentium --> i5 since the release of Skylake (or Haswell, really).

Sensible Gaming CPU Buying Points (7/14/2017)

• $60 = Pentium G4560
• $130 = R3-1300
• $175 = i5-7400
  
• $215 = i5-7600K / R5-1600
• $285 = R7-1700
• $310 = i7-7700K

 

[jefferz]

Ryzen 3 1300X to cost $129 and the 1200 just $109 (Exc VAT)
Hmm....so do we have a new viable buying point out there in the $75-$150 range again, finally? It's been Pentium --> i5 since the release of Skylake (or Haswell, really).

Sensible Gaming CPU Buying Points (7/14/2017)

• $60 = Pentium G4560
• $130 = R3-1300
• $175 = i5-7400
  
• $215 = i5-7600K / R5-1600
• $285 = R7-1700
• $310 = i7-7700K

Without having an igpu I don't see them moving a ton of units.

It's really a niche product that only gamers will buy.

 

[Madmick]

Without having an igpu I don't see them moving a ton of units.

It's really a niche product that only gamers will buy.

True, but everything in the custom PC building world is a niche. Who else is buying this stuff if we're not talking about major contracts for AIO builds?

Editors, but they aren't buying down here. So HTPC builders and Office PC builders, but of course, these are guys who principally learned PC building through gaming or professional (editing/server) work.

 

[Ruprecht]

Without having an igpu I don't see them moving a ton of units.

It's really a niche product that only gamers will buy.

Gaming PCs are the only market segment of desktops which are growing.
The mobile market has engulfed the rest.

 

[jefferz]

Gaming PCs are the only market segment of desktops which are growing.
The mobile market has engulfed the rest.

It may be the only segment growing, but the gaming market is small segment of desktops sold though and isn't enough to prop up desktop sales overall.

True, but everything in the custom PC building world is a niche. Who else is buying this stuff if we're not talking about major contracts for AIO builds?

Editors, but they aren't buying down here. So HTPC builders and Office PC builders, but of course, these are guys who principally learned PC building through gaming or professional (editing/server) work.

Office pc builders won't be using R3's, and that's a massive segment in the pc marketplace. An IT person isn't going to chose them based on having to add a video card. It's a lot easier to maintain 100's of computers without having additional hardware to deal with. Even with Intel's shitty iGPU, it's still more than enough to handle most office pc uses.
Ryzen isn't a great choice for HTPC's due to AMD not supporting 4k HEVC 10bit. You could add an Nvidia card to play 4k HEVC 10bit though. The cheapest Nvidia card that can do it is the GT 1030 which are around $70. That brings the cost up to $200 for the R3-1300x and GT 1030 when an Intel chip doesn't need the added gpu cost, the Pentiums can do it for damn near 1/4 of the cost. Go try to stream 4k netflix on a r5-1600 rx480 build and see what happens. Hopefully their APU's will have the hardware decoder built in.
The only group this makes sense for is low end gaming.
Intel also just announced new i3's that hit the R3 price range. I'm assuming the R3-1300x's will be over clockable to 4.0ghz so it will be really interesting to see how their 4 physical cores do against Intel's 2 core/hyperthread i3-7300.
With all that said, I will be picking up an R3-1300x to play around with and compare it to the G4560.

 

[Ruprecht]

It may be the only segment growing, but the gaming market is small segment of desktops sold though and isn't enough to prop up desktop sales overall.

It's a declining market. Still gaming PCs are now a bigger market (in dollars) than the entire console market.
It's big enough to support niche products.

 

[jefferz]

It's a declining market. Still gaming PCs are now a bigger market (in dollars) than the entire console market.
It's big enough to support niche products.

Is that game sales and everything combined or tower parts/builds vs console hardware?

 

[Ruprecht]

Is that game sales and everything combined or tower parts/builds vs console hardware?

Hardware only, global game hardware market to pass $140 billion in 2019 with the majority being PC.