***Official 2016-17 NBA Playoffs Thread v4 Just what the Doc ordered***

[faustian]

I lol every time I see Polak's sig

 

[faustian]

Jordan had a pretty amazing supporting cast

Pippen and then either Ho/Rod + dime a dozen role players isn't very amazing. That kind of supporting cast is pretty standard for a championship team

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

He's scoring 16 points per game on .526 shooting this post season.

"not a particularly good one". Yeah, sure.

Having a decent run for a few games doesn't change the fact that he was a below average performer this year (the last 3 or 4 really). They didn't lose a beat last night without him. He's not a particularly good player anymore. He got hot to start the yoffs. Personally don't believe he was going to keep it up after watching him regress so much the last few years.

 

[DW=HERO]

LOL @ sb increase in traffic for playoffs. Love it ...
#BALLisLIFE

Thread has moved 3 pages in 3 days during the yoffs.

More movement from @faustian recap of Mike and Mike draft coverage.

Says all we need to know about the popularity of jungle ball

 

[wlu.29]

Pippen and then either Ho/Rod + dime a dozen role players isn't very amazing. That kind of supporting cast is pretty standard for a championship team

Pippin is atg

Rodman is probably amongst the best defenders ever

Everyone else was always competent and capable even if they were not superstars

LeBron has kyrie who's good, love is a star padder, Korner is a taller kerr/Paxson

 

[wlu.29]

Thread has moved 3 pages in 3 days during the yoffs.

More movement from @faustian recap of Mike and Mike draft coverage.

Says all we need to know about the popularity of jungle ball

Lol at jungle ball

 

[HunterSdVa29]

bulls had like zero bench, especially for the second 3pt

after Kukoc it was looking awfully, awfully suspect

randy brown? cmon son

 

[Kirin]

bulls had like zero bench, especially for the second 3pt

after Kukoc it was looking awfully, awfully suspect

randy brown? cmon son

Don't forget the late great bison dele.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

What do you mean "in this day and age"? The day and age where he has the best supporting cast in the east and the rest of the conference is an absolute joke? If the jordan era cows were playing in an east as watered down as this, they could have sat jordan until the finals and still swept everybody.

in this day n age those bulls wouldnt have enough 3 point shooting to compete. game over.


not to mention their 2 defenders couldnt defend how they relied on with hand checking and extremely physical perimeter and interior D. They would get pwn'd by the Cavs along with many other teams.

 

[Kirin]

in this day n age those bulls wouldnt have enough 3 point shooting to compete. game over.


not to mention their 2 defenders couldnt defend how they relied on with hand checking and extremely physical perimeter and interior D. They would get pwn'd by the Cavs along with many other teams.

Weird...so the rules would only apply to the Bulls but not their opponents?

Also, the Bulls had solid three point shooters in kerr, kukoc, and bueschler. You obviously wouldn't know that though since you only started watching bball when the faptors came into existence.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

Weird...so the rules would only apply to the Bulls but not their opponents?

Also, the Bulls had solid three point shooters in kerr, kukoc, and bueschler. You obviously wouldn't know that though since you only started watching bball when the faptors came into existence.

the argument was "in todays day and age" so yea, the rules would apply to everybody but the Cavs are already playing under those rules.

and no, that isnt enough 3 point shooting to compete with the Cavs who are bombing 3s from every direction.


Hell, the Rockets prob beat them, too. Bulls D would be scrambling trying to figure out how to defend the 3 ball without 90s type defensive physicality.


Now reverse it to 90s rules.... yea, its a different story. Lots of todays softies couldnt deal with that.


you lauding Kukoc as a big time 3 point threat with his career 33% on what would be very low number of shots compared to today?? LOL reach further. Or Bueshcler with his one 3 attempted per game?? LOL

 

[HunterSdVa29]

so you're saying w/o handchecking, people would be remotely able to even come w/in a whiff of stopping Jordan?

he did what he did IN the handcheck era....

the Rockets? they can't stop Kawhi to save their live

 

[Kirin]

the argument was "in todays day and age" so yea, the rules would apply to everybody but the Cavs are already playing under those rules.

and no, that isnt enough 3 point shooting to compete with the Cavs who are bombing 3s from every direction.


Hell, the Rockets prob beat them, too. Bulls D would be scrambling trying to figure out how to defend the 3 ball without 90s type defensive physicality.


Now reverse it to 90s rules.... yea, its a different story. Lots of todays softies couldnt deal with that.


you lauding Kukoc as a big time 3 point threat with his career 33% on what would be very low number of shots compared to today?? LOL reach further. Or Bueshcler with his one 3 attempted per game?? LOL

Your simplistic way of thinking is exactly why no one takes you seriously and why your knowledge of the beautiful game is non-existent.

The Bulls were able to dominate in an era when physicality was the norm, now imagine them playing against defenders who have no way of slowing them down; they would rout today's teams in laughable fashion.

Sure, they wouldn't be able to bully teams on defense the way they used to, but today's teams are already accustomed to getting played soft on defense, so it wouldn't have any effect on them; the Bulls on the other hand would be unleashed to go off on them without restraint.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

I think people are making light of how much adjustment those 90's Bulls teams would have to make. They weren't exactly a high scoring squad, even for their time. They were arguably the greatest defensive squad ever and then they had Mike to score enough to win. The talent is still there to dominate, but everyone but Mike and Scottie have a shit load of adjusting to do to make themselves playable in the modern game, including Rodman who at least needs to be able to finish, cutting to the basket. Movement in the 90's was a joke. The game was slow as shit. And the 3 point shooting is an issue. That said, I'm not picking against Mike, I don't care about the era.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

those are all fair pts
although I think jordans ball dominance prevented others from realizing their full potential

even past injury, Ron Harper was better than his stats suggested on the Bulls. You could probably say the same about first 3peat BJ Armstrong. Clearly Kukoc was better than a sixth man, that's just how they used him. He coulda easily started and produced solid numbers on other teams. We saw what the (albeit inefficient) pippen did w/o Jordan.

 

[RedCansLoom16]

Brutal. Wiz are +48 with this can on the bench and -43 with him in the game.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Brutal. Wiz are +48 with this can on the bench and -43 with him in the game.

A lot of his +/- has to do with him being on the court with the second squad (which has underperformed this yoffs to say the least), but he gets enough play with the starters that it is a little alarming. He's hit some big shots though and plays solid D. I don't think that stat is telling his whole story.

those are all fair pts
although I think jordans ball dominance prevented others from realizing their full potential

even past injury, Ron Harper was better than his stats suggested on the Bulls. You could probably say the same about first 3peat BJ Armstrong. Clearly Kukoc was better than a sixth man, that's just how they used him. He coulda easily started and produced solid numbers on other teams. We saw what the (albeit inefficient) pippen did w/o Jordan.

Kukoc is their one saving grace that makes it doable. Longley has no place in the modern game, nor does the old man Cartwright that they had. Rodman/Grant are moving to C. Kukoc can come play the stretch 4 and make them compatible with modern basketball. Not sure who does that from the first 3-peat. I think Kerr gets equal burn as Harper today. BJ probably gets to do a little more.

 

[bosox32]

Jordan would avg 40 a game in this era.

Afro Kobe would too....

 

[Bay Area]

No. Their whole scheme is Hardcan drive and kick and beating teams down court. They lack the playmakers to run anything other than predictable sets with Hardcan in the half court. Their shooters are of the stationary variety as well so its not like a Ray Allen out there getting himself open off the ball when the Spurs decide to play Harden straight up and force him to win the game by himself.

I've thought all season that these Rockets are the most boring gunslinger team of all time. Just no creativity whatsoever. Style innovated by anybody who has played NBA 2K. They make the three ball boring

That's not a knock on the coach. It is the best they can get from the roster so C'antoni deserves credit for getting the most out of his pieces. His PHX squads had other playmakers and individual talent that they still had a shot when the game was slower. In a half court game, the high octane Rockets are just as dull offensively as OKC.

You are so fucking right. I can't bear to watch this team for more than a quarter. The sad thing is, this is what the nba is becoming.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

A lot of his +/- has to do with him being on the court with the second squad (which has underperformed this yoffs to say the least), but he gets enough play with the starters that it is a little alarming. He's hit some big shots though and plays solid D. I don't think that stat is telling his whole story.

Kukoc is their one saving grace that makes it doable. Longley has no place in the modern game, nor does the old man Cartwright that they had. Rodman/Grant are moving to C. Kukoc can come play the stretch 4 and make them compatible with modern basketball. Not sure who does that from the first 3-peat. I think Kerr gets equal burn as Harper today. BJ probably gets to do a little more.

kerr had serious limitations on D is really why he didn't play much then, despite being the greatest 3pt shooter in history by percentage

he's also too short to be a SG, unlike say Kyle Korver
if anything guys like kerr don't even exist anymore as the average player is much much better at shooting 3s. look at what happened to Steve Novak for reference