Ode Osbourne vs Rodriguez scorecards

[OleBuffalo]

Junichiro Kamijo 28 - 29. Adalaide Byrd 27 - 29. Ron McCarthy 27 - 29. UD for Rodriguez

In all fairness, I haven't rewatched, but what did you guys think about two judges giving Rodriguez a 10-8 round 2? I didn't really see a 10-8 in any round, but when they read the cards and said 29-27 I figured the only conceivable possibility was that they scored the first a 10-8 for Osbourne despite spending some time on his back after the triangle failed

All that said, how'd you guys score it? Anybody rewatch it already and see a 10-8 in round 2? Or round 1? I know we always come back to this same topic of how 10-8s are scored, but the fact that the first noche event had a 10-8 so bad that the commission had to hold a seminar because of it, it does seem kinda wild that we saw another highly questionable one again on the noche card

 

[xhaydenx]

I didn't think the 2nd was quite enough for a 10-8, but it was getting close, I suppose.

 

[OleBuffalo]

I didn't think the 2nd was quite enough for a 10-8, but it was getting close, I suppose.

i haven’t really seen anyone talking about it on here, so I’m starting to think maybe it’s not as I remember

 

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5 minutes into Netflix and chill and he gives you this look

 

[Ares Black]

Junichiro Kamijo 28 - 29. Adalaide Byrd 27 - 29. Ron McCarthy 27 - 29. UD for Rodriguez

In all fairness, I haven't rewatched, but what did you guys think about two judges giving Rodriguez a 10-8 round 2? I didn't really see a 10-8 in any round, but when they read the cards and said 29-27 I figured the only conceivable possibility was that they scored the first a 10-8 for Osbourne despite spending some time on his back after the triangle failed

All that said, how'd you guys score it? Anybody rewatch it already and see a 10-8 in round 2? Or round 1? I know we always come back to this same topic of how 10-8s are scored, but the fact that the first noche event had a 10-8 so bad that the commission had to hold a seminar because of it, it does seem kinda wild that we saw another highly questionable one again on the noche card

It is pretty weird that two judges gave Rodriguez a 10-8 second round. They are generally pretty rare and that round wasn't a 10-8.

If anything, Ode Osbourne was probably the one with a 10-8 first round. The proper score is more like a 28-28 draw IMO.

 

[Psychojoe86]

Round 1: 10-8 osbourne
Round 2: 10-8 rodriguez
Round 3: 10-9 rodriguez

Rodriguez stole a close round 3 at the end to clinch the fight.

 

[El Panteron]

It is pretty weird that two judges gave Rodriguez a 10-8 second round. They are generally pretty rare and that round wasn't a 10-8.

If anything, Ode Osbourne was probably the one with a 10-8 first round. The proper score is more like a 28-28 draw IMO.

Agreed, third round was very close though, wouldn't be mad at a 29-27 for Osbourne either.

 

[xhaydenx]

Agreed, third round was very close though, wouldn't be mad at a 29-27 for Osbourne either.

3rd round wasn't that close outside of the first min or so. After that it was easy to score for Ronaldo.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Put it this way - if 2nd round was a 10-8 for Rodriguez, round 1 was a 10-8 for Osbourne. He smashed him, almost put him away with punches then spent several minutes with him locked in an airtight triangle while elbowing him. That's way better than what Rodriguez did in round 2 - the Mexican kid got lucky.

 

[El Panteron]

3rd round wasn't that close outside of the first min or so. After that it was easy to score for Ronaldo.

I've had some other guys tell me the same in the live thread. Only difference is they thought it was clearly Osbourne's round. On mmadecisions 56% of users give the third to Osbourne. It was close brother.

 

[xhaydenx]

I've had some other guys tell me the same in the live thread. Only difference is they thought it was clearly Osbourne's round. On mmadecisions 56% of users give the third to Osbourne. It was close brother.

Oh, I get where that read comes from. I've just watched and gambled on too many fights to know that judges were always giving that round to Ronaldo. This might sound weird, but you can have a really close round but still know exactly how the judges are gonna score it.

Ode did better early, but then Ronaldo did better from the mid point until the end, while being the one to pressure. A round like that almost always goes to the person who won the 2nd half. It may as well have been a dominant round for Ronaldo considering how many times they would score a round like that the other way.

I don't really like how that happens, but humans like structure, and we value the climactic/end moments of things more than the beginnings.

 

[El Panteron]

I don't really like how that happens, but humans like structure, and we value the climactic/end moments of things more than the beginnings.

Oddly enough I do know that as studying mind is my job. Ending and start have the strongest impact on our memory and as judges score the rounds the emotional reaction from the ending is still affecting them too - in the process of rationalising it.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I score the round for Rodriguez too, just it seems self evident that we're not in the majority, at some point we need to accept other opinions are valid too.

 

[xhaydenx]

Oddly enough I do know that as studying mind is my job. Ending and start have the strongest impact on our memory and as judges score the rounds the emotional reaction from the ending is still affecting them too - in the process of rationalising it.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I score the round for Rodriguez too, just it seems self evident that we're not in the majority, at some point we need to accept other opinions are valid too.

Cool job you have. My education/work likely has some overlaps, though mine is based in video game design.

Definitely not trying to dismiss others' reads of it. I'm more just going on what I knew the judges would do. I'd like to have seen that round and others like it scored the other way. There's been heaps where the first half was noticeably bigger than the 2nd half and one who won the 2nd half still got that round on all 3 cards. That thing annoys me a lot lol. This round wasn't as bad as others though.

It's very interesting to me how the sort of 3 act structure we see in movies/books/games etc. just imitates the structure of daily/overall life. That same familiarity with structure influences everything, including something as unexpected as a round in MMA lol. Helped me a ton with gambling once I noticed that.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Judging is severely bastardized when it comes to the ground. They still don't seem to have read teh criteria that reads that "the guy on top only scores with the TD until he advances to a more dominant position or scores with striking.

Simply being on top scores zero.

 

[El Panteron]

Cool job you have. My education/work likely has some overlaps, though mine is based in video game design.

Ha, think so too, that makes two of us on Sherdog.

Definitely not trying to dismiss others' reads of it. I'm more just going on what I knew the judges would do. I'd like to have seen that round and others like it scored the other way. There's been heaps where the first half was noticeably bigger than the 2nd half and one who won the 2nd half still got that round on all 3 cards. That thing annoys me a lot lol. This round wasn't as bad as others though.

Think it comes down also to what in the fight each judge values more. In the end rounds are mini-fights so who's having the upper hand at the is important.

It's very interesting to me how the sort of 3 act structure we see in movies/books/games etc. just imitates the structure of daily/overall life. That same familiarity with structure influences everything, including something as unexpected as a round in MMA lol. Helped me a ton with gambling once I noticed that.

Ties into how we interpret everything we see as stories, if you're interested you might want to read Acts of meaning by Jerome Bruner, one of my favourtie psychologists of the last century. Though not sure how accessible it is to someone that didn't really study beforehand.

 

[gentel]

I missed the first round and most of the 2nd driving to the sports bar, but I saw all of the 3rd round and Osbourne won it with his boxing imo. So if he also won the first, then he wins the fight via 1+3

 

[xhaydenx]

Think it comes down also to what in the fight each judge values more. In the end rounds are mini-fights so who's having the upper hand at the is important.

Yeh, it absolutely does. I always try and see who is judging for certain bets lol.

Ties into how we interpret everything we see as stories, if you're interested you might want to read Acts of meaning by Jerome Bruner, one of my favourtie psychologists of the last century. Though not sure how accessible it is to someone that didn't really stidy beforehand.

I'll check out that rec. I got accidentally thrown into and had to pass final year psych subjects back in my game design course lol, so I might be able to grasp it.

 

[El Panteron]

I'll check out that rec. I got accidentally thrown into and had to pass final year psych subjects back in my game design course lol, so I might be able to grasp it.

Think in the end it's nothing really that complicated, we like to use big words for normal shit is all.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It is pretty weird that two judges gave Rodriguez a 10-8 second round. They are generally pretty rare and that round wasn't a 10-8.

If anything, Ode Osbourne was probably the one with a 10-8 first round. The proper score is more like a 28-28 draw IMO.

True but Ode deserved to lose after he failed to finish a rocked opponent with a locked in triangle choke.

The sport has improved in many ways but one thing that has seems to have decayed over the years is guard work. The display from Osbourne and Grasso off their backs last night was pitiful if you ask me. If you can't play guard effectively then get the fuck up or at least try like O'Malley was.