Oblique kick should be banned from UFC

[Cat Biscuits]

Yep . Good point along with heel hooks and armbars . Those are way more likely to cause a fracture haha . People see one oblique kick finish and they cry . I swear these people will ruin the sport we already have dumb rules like the 12-6 elbow because of crap like this

People typically have a chance to tap out before injury occurs in a submission.

Kicking a knee in backwards doesn't give someone the option to quit until after massive damage has been done.

I mean, would you be ok with guys trying to grab someone's arm and then striking at the elbow with intentions of breaking it? Do you agree with Jones cranking Glovers arm in their fight?


I'm going to stick with the idea that if you're purposely attacking a joint, it needs to be done in a submission so people have a chance to tap before permanent damage occurs.

We don't need anymore fighters to suffer any more long term recovery style injuries because of this stupid strike. It's bad enough that people are getting brain damage from strikes to the head, can we not get rid of this stupid strike that will only result in or lead to bad injuries?

 

[Strijfy]

Ban punches as well. Fighters could get hurt

retarded argument ,well done

 

[TempleoftheDog]

It was the strike Walker threw the most in the ME tonight I bet. He was literally just looking to stomp on Santos’ knee most of the fight. I’m glad Walker lost. It’s a legal strike, so that’s fine. But, seeing the way Walker tried using it, was laughable. Why bother even showing up? Feints, and oblique kicks. I never need to see Walker fight again, if that is his gameplan going forward.

 

[lsa]

So can a concussion

and knee bars and other subs.
I mean havent Paul Harris ripped more than one leg apart?
I could almost bet my allowance on more damage done by subs than oblique kicks in MMA.

 

[Shaquitas EBT]

oblique kicks and the cheap bastards that use them have no place in MMA,dirty move.Fuck oblique kicks

 

[campbecc]

In combat sports I'm absolutely certain punches to the head have done by far the most severe permanent damage and it's not even close. Have you ever heard of CTE or pugilistic parkinsonism?

 

[mangokush]

Oblique kicks shouldn't be banned.

MMA fighters need to learn how to counter the oblique kick with timing, speed and angles.

Simply staying flat footed just throwing strikes in a straight line will not work all time

 

[Padr81]

Fair enough. However, the fact that there are two distinct styles of Savate -- Savate de Rue for self-defense on the streets and then sporting Savate/Boxe Francaise -- and the fact that the chasse frontal is legal and appropriate in both while elbows, knees, and throws (techniques which are fine in MMA) are banned in Boxe Francaise but fine for the self-defense version says a lot.

A lot of people in this thread have been making arguments like "This kick has no place in sport, it should only be used for self-defense!" Clearly old-school Frenchmen disagreed and they saw things we in turn take for granted as "dirty" and indefensible, suited only for defense of life and limb. Which kind of reinforces what I've long suspected: ultimately when it comes down to it, most arguments about banning techniques come down to environmental and cultural context as much as anything. I hold some views on matters about permitted techniques that don't hold up to logical scrutiny and I wholeheartedly admit it.

As for the differing stances and activity between savateurs and MMA fighters, I would be more receptive to that if I hadn't seen mixed martial artists successfully defend the kick so often. At first glance it sounds a lot like the argument of how the calf kick doesn't have the same success in Muay Thai because nak muay aren't as heavy on their lead leg.

I see the merits of your argument, don't get me wrong. And I agree with you that a lot of the people who defend the kick do so in the dumbest of ways imaginable that makes even me doubt its legitimacy at times. I just feel that we draw the lines in different places is all.

Good post dude. Nice to see a logical defence if something on here.

 

[SerbBerserk]

If you allow people to throw a flying knee at someones head I think the oblique kick is fine. Dirty techniques are apart of MMA

 

[Jkillah]

Should head strikes be banned due to the risk of CTE?

 

[Kenny95]

the one that landed for roundtree was to the side of the knee. i think when its to the front its okay. its a quick snap that often does not deal serious damage and usually less than a knee bar would. to the side though there is nothing the leg can do to flex or brace for that. its hard to land how he did but that strike should be banned. to the side of the knee like roundtree did. otherwise its fine. they never end from it hitting the front of the knee.

Most people's legs are not straight on against someone. Some people are completely sideways like wonderboy and the karate guys. I know in Thailand its legal but no one does it and I asked some of my coaches who are lumpinee champs and fighters of the year award winners and they said its not manly so no one does it in Thailand.

Edit: maybe a light teep just to check someones weight balance or fake a teep higher but no knee buckling fuck you hits almost ever.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

No thanks. Bring back headbutts, kicks to the head of a grounded opponent and also electrify the cage imo.

 

[Badger67]

I hate to put a limit on violence but I kind of agree.

Seems like a pussy move to do anyway and isn't really satisfying to see as a fan. Plus it takes fighters out of action in a way where they can't come back.

Much like a ko; taken out of action and Cant come back.

 

[Tito Tapped]

Anybody have a list of all those career ending injuries from oblique kicks?

 

[Gamer2k4]

Do you agree with Jones cranking Glovers arm in their fight?

Absolutely. If it was such a devastating move, surely we should have seen it more than one time in the past 25 years. Maybe it strained Glover's shoulder or something, but I guarantee you he recovered sooner than some of those fighters whose faces got destroyed by punches, or whose legs got destroyed by kicks.

If you throw a hard punch at someone's face, you might break their orbital bone, and they'd never have a chance to tap before it could happen. So what? That's the nature of fighting. Joint locks are the same way. This isn't some middle school jujitsu tournament. It's trained, professional adults who know exactly what they're getting into and choose to do it anyway.

 

[Shintothecup]

So can leg kicks , strikes to the head etc . Maybe you should be banned . Oh and name one guy that has had his career ruined by an Oblique kick .

Not that I agree that they should be banned but you did ask so Rampage Jackson:
Jackson’s animosity toward Jones stems from their championship bout back in September 2011 at UFC 135, where Jones landed a plethora of knee kicks before submitting Jackson in the fourth round.

Since the fight, Jackson has maintained that Jones ruined his left knee, which is now heavily braced. During an episode of Rampage 4 Real on Spike TV, he explained that one of the kicks actually pushed his knee backward, and it hasn’t been the same ever since.

 

[Thai Domi]

Jones would still use it.

 

[Grayto]

Christ, its like every other day we see a unique injury in nearly 30 years of MMA and people are immediately crying foul to get X technique banned. I guarantee these people would have wanted to ban grounded strikes in 1993.

Why are people so itchy to ban these techniques? They are thrown in like 2 fights over the whole fucking year. Chill and let it play out.

These are COMPLETELY DEFENSIBLE TECHNIQUES. Allow martial arts to happen. Allow guys and coaches to figure out the game. You people have no ethic of thinking, overcoming and adapting. Just BAN IT. Fuck off.

 

[Kryptt]

Na...

 

[Kryptt]