Oblique kick should be banned from UFC

[gluehuffer1776]

Why stop at knives? Stryker had a gun

Why stop at guns? Scorpion had hellfire and a kunai shot out of his palm.

 

[Brettco]

20 bucks these same people want to ban calf kicks

Tko via calf kick.

 

[J0N0]

We've seen more injuries from knee bars. Why is this a thing because Khalil was able to do actual damage with it

 

[koquerelle]

There's always boxing.

Personally, I want everything legal. Even biting and knives.

lol
You're a savage (that's a compliment)

 

[Mangar]

So can a concussion

They should ban concussions.

 

[kuroro]

the one that landed for roundtree was to the side of the knee. i think when its to the front its okay. its a quick snap that often does not deal serious damage and usually less than a knee bar would. to the side though there is nothing the leg can do to flex or brace for that. its hard to land how he did but that strike should be banned. to the side of the knee like roundtree did. otherwise its fine. they never end from it hitting the front of the knee.

that's way too hard to observe and police. this is ridiculous. if you can't enforce a ban on eye pokes, how can you enforce one on oblique leg kicks, much less ones to a specific side of the knee?

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Fuck off what’s next we gonna ban leg kicks

 

[CatchnShoot]

20 bucks these same people want to ban calf kicks

Calf kicks don't potentially destroy a joint..... so, no.

 

[Safton]

I'm still waiting...

 

[SherdogFan23]

Hugs, hand shakes, etc. in the cage should be banned. They might cause a fighter to lose focus of their desire to kill the other fighter.

 

[Padr81]

The oblique kick appears in Savate as the chasse frontal. It is used like a jab by many practitioners and is an exceedingly common technique, with the knee being a very frequent target during bouts. This is taken for granted. Yet despite this, there aren't many savateurs walking (hobbling?) around Europe with blown-out knees.

Everytime I ask why this is or why some fighters seem to be able to defend the oblique kick just fine while others are not like in that compilation that was posted of its users getting viciously countered, all I get is crickets chirping from the Ban Crowd.



I don't understand this mentality at all. I'll be the first to acknowledge that a lot of people who argue against banning it do so in a very wrong-headed manner (and vice versa) that does not properly acknowledge and address the points being raised by those who express concerns about the strike. But why is it inherently a hard man mentality to support the continued legalization of a technique that can break a leg? Plenty of "legitimate" MMA techniques target limbs with the intent to disable them and if the damage to the opponent is only short term rather than long-term, then it's more a happy accident than anything. Not to mention the techniques intended to knock them unconscious or fracture facial bones. Yet this one gets labeled as dirty. It all seems very arbitrary.

It's not a hard man thing at all to defend it with logic, yours is a great post doing that. That bit from me was for the wannabe bros who are like "only pussies don't want their leg broken".

My issue with it in MMA is it's a lot busier than savate in terms of different fighters)styles, it's always on the feet and fighters are always in stance. For example savate for self defense has elbow, knees, throws that are removed for sport fighting. What you have to defend and are prepared to defend allows you to stay in a nice stance.

The other thing is with more traditional martial arts, respect and not wanting to hurt the opponent. You'd never see anyone intentionally break the knee outside of MMA or Cobra Kai in a sport.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

It's not a hard man thing at all to defend it with logic, yours is a great post doing that. That bit from me was for the wannabe bros who are like "only pussies don't want their leg broken".

My issue with it in MMA is it's a lot busier than savate in terms of different fighters)styles, it's always on the feet and fighters are always in stance. For example savate for self defense has elbow, knees, throws that are removed for sport fighting. What you have to defend and are prepared to defend allows you to stay in a nice stance.

The other thing is with more traditional martial arts, respect and not wanting to hurt the opponent. You'd never see anyone intentionally break the knee outside of MMA or Cobra Kai in a sport.

Submission wise what comes to mind is that move Aoki pulled in Shooto which they did actually ban afterwards.

I think one of the main arguments for banning these kicks would be that really there not very important in MMA, not many fighters use them that much so their removal isnt going to have a big negative effect whilst limiting injury.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

I've been saying this for years. It's too easy to target a weak, almost indefensible point on the body. It's why there are rules against eye pokes and finger breaking as well.

If you can defend a kick to the knee then you can defend a kick to the balls. I don't know about you, but I'd rather get kicked in the balls than have my knee blown out.

 

[Daniel_LaRusso]

Speedo style goggles are the way to go for eyeball protection.

 

[DesiredUserName]

Go watch golf instead

Golf clubs should be banned from the UFC.

 

[dogsdonutsdragons]

that's way too hard to observe and police. this is ridiculous. if you can't enforce a ban on eye pokes, how can you enforce one on oblique leg kicks, much less ones to a specific side of the knee?

you can enforce eye poke rule because accidents happen. it is mostly due to glove design that the eye pokes happen so often and so brutally. there is a fix for it. you are right it would be hard to enforce to that degreee but it would make guys more cautious in throwing it recklessly. so roundtrees win would have been a dq because it was blatant

 

[TRUS8888]

I hate to put a limit on violence but I kind of agree.

Seems like a pussy move to do anyway and isn't really satisfying to see as a fan. Plus it takes fighters out of action in a way where they can't come back.

 

[Safton]

It's not a hard man thing at all to defend it with logic, yours is a great post doing that. That bit from me was for the wannabe bros who are like "only pussies don't want their leg broken".

My issue with it in MMA is it's a lot busier than savate in terms of different fighters)styles, it's always on the feet and fighters are always in stance. For example savate for self defense has elbow, knees, throws that are removed for sport fighting. What you have to defend and are prepared to defend allows you to stay in a nice stance.

The other thing is with more traditional martial arts, respect and not wanting to hurt the opponent. You'd never see anyone intentionally break the knee outside of MMA or Cobra Kai in a sport.

Fair enough. However, the fact that there are two distinct styles of Savate -- Savate de Rue for self-defense on the streets and then sporting Savate/Boxe Francaise -- and the fact that the chasse frontal is legal and appropriate in both while elbows, knees, and throws (techniques which are fine in MMA) are banned in Boxe Francaise but fine for the self-defense version says a lot.

A lot of people in this thread have been making arguments like "This kick has no place in sport, it should only be used for self-defense!" Clearly old-school Frenchmen disagreed and they saw things we in turn take for granted as "dirty" and indefensible, suited only for defense of life and limb. Which kind of reinforces what I've long suspected: ultimately when it comes down to it, most arguments about banning techniques come down to environmental and cultural context as much as anything. I hold some views on matters about permitted techniques that don't hold up to logical scrutiny and I wholeheartedly admit it.

As for the differing stances and activity between savateurs and MMA fighters, I would be more receptive to that if I hadn't seen mixed martial artists successfully defend the kick so often. At first glance it sounds a lot like the argument of how the calf kick doesn't have the same success in Muay Thai because nak muay aren't as heavy on their lead leg.

I see the merits of your argument, don't get me wrong. And I agree with you that a lot of the people who defend the kick do so in the dumbest of ways imaginable that makes even me doubt its legitimacy at times. I just feel that we draw the lines in different places is all.

 

[ShtickandMove]

He makes a good point. The sport already disallows small joint manipulation so there's already consideration for joints.

I'm not too fussed either way.

 

[Badger67]

The oblique kick appears in Savate as the chasse frontal. It is used like a jab by many practitioners and is an exceedingly common technique, with the knee being a very frequent target during bouts. This is taken for granted. Yet despite this, there aren't many savateurs walking (hobbling?) around Europe with blown-out knees.

Everytime I ask why this is or why some fighters seem to be able to defend the oblique kick just fine while others are not like in that compilation that was posted of its users getting viciously countered, all I get is crickets chirping from the Ban Crowd.



I don't understand this mentality at all. I'll be the first to acknowledge that a lot of people who argue against banning it do so in a very wrong-headed manner (and vice versa) that does not properly acknowledge and address the points being raised by those who express concerns about the strike. But why is it inherently a hard man mentality to support the continued legalization of a technique that can break a leg? Plenty of "legitimate" MMA techniques target limbs with the intent to disable them and if the damage to the opponent is only short term rather than long-term, then it's more a happy accident than anything. Not to mention the techniques intended to knock them unconscious or fracture facial bones. Yet this one gets labeled as dirty. It all seems very arbitrary.

This.
If i could punch a man so hard his skull shattered like a beer bottle, id do it with every punch. I agree we need safety measures but the oblique kick shouldnt be banned.