Oblique kick should be banned from UFC

[Dude Incredible]

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[Mohawk Banditó]

Fighter safety is a myth and a buzzword for lefties.

All competitors should expected to be maimed when entering the cage.

And honestly, you know the fight sucks if someone wasnt.

Reminds me of the pro-PED arguments like, "they knew they're gonna get punched in the face when they signed up for this, who cares if they're just gonna get hit harder," which is, incidentally, also a pro-plastering-your-gloves argument.

 

[Safton]

The oblique kick appears in Savate as the chasse frontal. It is used like a jab by many practitioners and is an exceedingly common technique, with the knee being a very frequent target during bouts. This is taken for granted. Yet despite this, there aren't many savateurs walking (hobbling?) around Europe with blown-out knees.

Everytime I ask why this is or why some fighters seem to be able to defend the oblique kick just fine while others are not like in that compilation that was posted of its users getting viciously countered, all I get is crickets chirping from the Ban Crowd.

All the hard man keyboard warriors as always.. they are a dirty kick and have no place in sport. Literally a kick where the purpose is to catch the guy with a straight leg and break it. Should be purely for self defence.

I don't understand this mentality at all. I'll be the first to acknowledge that a lot of people who argue against banning it do so in a very wrong-headed manner (and vice versa) that does not properly acknowledge and address the points being raised by those who express concerns about the strike. But why is it inherently a hard man mentality to support the continued legalization of a technique that can break a leg? Plenty of "legitimate" MMA techniques target limbs with the intent to disable them and if the damage to the opponent is only short term rather than long-term, then it's more a happy accident than anything. Not to mention the techniques intended to knock them unconscious or fracture facial bones. Yet this one gets labeled as dirty. It all seems very arbitrary.

 

[Robholland]

Ban the ' downwards elbows are illegal' rule!

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

 

[HelloJapan]

Go watch WWE or dance, ya goof.

 

[SJP_SevenLaker]

Soccer kicks and knees to downed opponents should be allowed is what I think you meant.

 

[Masturbin]

Imo for a technique to be banned it need to be overpowered and dangerous.

Oblique kicks are underpowered and not meta centralising

 

[J-Pac]

Just bleed boys will disagree but I think its completely reasonable to ban it. It's weighing the risks of a move against what it adds to the sport. Nobody in their right mind would argue for eye pokes, back of the head strikes, or spiking someone directly on their head so clearly THAT is on the other side of the acceptable line. I think 12-6 are banned because an elbow could go straight into a dudes eye and make it explode all over the cage, which would be pretty gross and life changing, so I don't think anyone other than JustBleedys would argue against that knowing what can go wrong. On the other side of the argument would be a standard punch to the dome, which, while it can be extremely damaging, is critical to the sport and a basic move that usually won't cause someone to have their entire career ended on just one strike.

I see oblique kicks to the side of the knee as basically equivalent to a submission you don't have a chance to tap to. Combine that with the irreparable damage it can do, and how knee injuries have cut short or ruined a number of great careers (Cruz and Shogun off the top of my head), I think banning it makes sense. There are a number of great fighters who took some losses early in their career (like Max or Chuck Olives) - imagine if, on their first step up into a higher level of competition, they got their knee ligaments blown out by some oblique kick specialist and were never the same. While nobody today specializes in those kicks and has finished multiple opponents with them, if it goes unchecked it's just a matter of time before people start focusing on that as a style. Wait long enough and you'll have guys exploding each others knees and taking years off careers or even ending promising careers. With any rule, if its in the rule book then it stops being an advantage or disadvantage to any of the fighters after it's been a rule long enough. You waste your time training oblique kicks knowing its banned? Tough shit, your opponent didn't waste his time training eye pokes or headbutts. At the end of the day it's a sport and you need these reasonable limits. It's not a 'street fight' and shouldn't even be compared to that. Street fights involve an element of surprise, weapons, multiple people, etc. Taking a dangerous, high-risk move away isn't going to stop MMA from being the best test we have of deciding who the better overall fighter is.

 

[Goatenstein]

I always said that but people laughed at me like "go watch WWE or dance"

I'm so happy this dude released this video:



Discuss

You hate freedom.

 

[John the Barbarian]

These kicks are in the same category as eye pokes and kicks to the groin, great for self defense but shouldn’t be in sport.

I for one would not be satisfied if a championship match was won via oblique kick.

 

[The Chosen]

Yep . Good point along with heel hooks and armbars . Those are way more likely to cause a fracture haha . People see one oblique kick finish and they cry . I swear these people will ruin the sport we already have dumb rules like the 12-6 elbow because of crap like this

You have the option to tap to submission holds, with strikes you do not

 

[Lee_]

Knee injuries can change an entire career. They should be banned.

Yes, and the doctor explains quite articulately why this kick is different than others. Rules exist in MMA to protect against the most vulnerable areas to serious or debilitating injuries- although any trauma can cause a bad injury, some areas getting struck are more likely than others to be debilitating.

Agree or not, it's a reasonable assertion, and he backs it up with his analysis and explanation of knee function.

 

[The Chosen]

These kicks are in the same category as eye pokes and kicks to the groin, great for self defense but shouldn’t be in sport.

I for one would not be satisfied if a championship match was won via oblique kick.

I have a feeling someone is going to yeet Usman with one soon, which would basically destroy his athletic career because of his knee problems

 

[HHJ]

All the hard man keyboard warriors as always.. they are a dirty kick and have no place in sport. Literally a kick where the purpose is to catch the guy with a straight leg and break it. Should be purely for self defence.

No place in the sport? lol someone just beat someone with one.

 

[Grappling Magic]

I posted about this 4 weeks ago.
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/khalil-rountree-jrs-oblique-kick.4203162/

It hurts to watch and it is indeed career ending. However, if obliques kicks are banned then so should be heel hooks as they tear apart the knee as well.

 

[Poatan Power]

I always said that but people laughed at me like "go watch WWE or dance"

I'm so happy this dude released this video:

 

[thatdude21601]

Trade them for grounded knees being legal and I'm on board.

 

[lifelessheap]

No it shouldn't . Neither should knees to a the head of a grounded fighter , soccer kicks , head stomps , 12-6 elbows. Only blows to the back of the head and the obvious stuff like eye pokes , small joint manipulation and groin strikes . I don't care what this click bate soy face doctor has to see . Fighting is dangerous and brutal but the whole point of the sport is to see what's actually effective in Vale Tudo style prize fighting . If you don't like that go somewhere else .

I used dream of what GSP would have done with legal knees on the ground.

 

[glavinator]

I always said that but people laughed at me like "go watch WWE or dance"

I'm so happy this dude released this video:



Discuss

This has never been discussed before, ever. Great thread