Elections Obama Up...Trump Down... Biden Up...Trump Down!

[Mr Holmes]

Biden(and Obama) count the turnaways at the border as deportation. Usually the same people multiple times who eventually get in anyway

As far as ICE deporting people from the interior Trump is by far outpacing Biden who hardly did any deportations of illegals that weren’t in custody at the border. Which doesn’t really count.

Border encounters are down NINETY PERCENT from Biden’s most restrictive month in the Trump era so less stat padding from this admin.

Granted, everybody from Trump to Homan has said they want deportation numbers significantly higher.

That’s after 37K deportations mostly from the interior of long tenured criminal occupiers and that is good.

Queremos Mas. No doubt.

If democrats want to challenge him to deport more by taunts..I support that you guys want more deportations

/thread

 

[ChosenOne]

Trump was elected TWO AND A HALF months prior to his inauguration, and immigrants knew they would have less of a chance of getting across with Trump in office, so many more decided against making the trip to the southern border because of Trump after November 5th.
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So your entire argument boils down to 'there are not actually a lot of illegal migrants in the US already and Trump was lying which is why if you merely stopped the NEW flow in Trump would not be able to find illegals ALREADY IN AMERICA to deport at the same rate Biden was'.

Is that your argument?

 

[ChosenOne]

/thread

Damn, TS got bodied on the first page and seems to be flailing wildly trying to save face.
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The problem you guys have is your are wrong, oh and stupid.

The change in how expulsions were counted under Obama, made Obama's numbers look stronger compared to those POTUS who preceded him, but Trump Biden and now Trump again, never changed it back to how it was counted prior because that would make their numbers look far lower and they ALL want to show max numbers.

So it changes nothing. Obama did more than Trump who let expulsions fall significantly. Biden then stepped in and raised it back way up over Trumps numbers and now under Trump again it is falling again.

 

[AWilder]

Brutal. Haven't seen self-ownage this hard in a while. He even started a thread to expose how shallow his knowledge is.

Funny you're such a fan of self owns.

 

[ChosenOne]

Using the SAME metrics for both Trump and Obama...​

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Ron DeSantis is right; Barack Obama deported more people than Donald Trump did​

...But did Trump deport fewer people than Obama? There are different deportation metrics, and Obama surpassed Trump’s numbers in each one. Immigrant rights advocates had dubbed Obama the "deporter-in-chief" by the time he left office in 2017.
The federal government classifies deportations as the removal of noncitizens from the U.S. It tracks it in a few different ways:

• Removals: When people are sent out of the U.S. via an official court order, often penalized for the illegal entry. This can include people who have lived in the United States for years and people who recently arrived.
• Returns: When people are returned to their home countries without legal penalties and without being placed in formal removal proceedings. This happens at the border.
• Title 42 expulsions: These happened from March 2020 to May 2023 under a public health policy. Some people arriving at the border were not let into the United States and were expelled without legal penalties.

Under Trump, from fiscal year 2017 to fiscal year 2020 the Department of Homeland Security recorded 2 million deportations, a combination of all three metrics. (Fiscal year 2017 included about four months of the Obama administration.)
During Obama’s first term, fiscal year 2009 to fiscal year 2012, there were 3.2 million deportations (removals and returns). Fiscal year 2009 included about four months of the second George W. Bush administration. During Obama’s second term, covering fiscal years 2013 through 2016, there were 2.1 million deportations (removals and returns).
These figures — for Obama and Trump — include deportations of people stopped at the border and people who were already living in the U.S. and picked up by immigration authorities.
A DeSantis campaign spokesperson pointed us to a 2020 report from the libertarian Cato Institute that supports DeSantis’ claim....

 

[Mr Holmes]

The problem you guys have is your are wrong, oh and stupid.

The change in how expulsions were counted under Obama, made Obama's numbers look stronger compared to those POTUS who preceded him, but Trump Biden and now Trump again, never changed it back to how it was counted prior because that would make their numbers look far lower and they ALL want to show max numbers.

So it changes nothing. Obama did more than Trump who let expulsions fall significantly. Biden then stepped in and raised it back way up over Trumps numbers and now under Trump again it is falling again.

If there are fewer border crossings, then there will be fewer returns at the border. If you look at net increase in immigration, your silly cherry picked stats fall apart, idiot.

 

[ShadowRun]

2024 account makes a callout thread and gets destroyed on the first page.

lol right

 

[Fergelmince]

So your entire argument boils down to 'there are not actually a lot of illegal migrants in the US already and Trump was lying which is why if you merely stopped the NEW flow in Trump would not be able to find illegals ALREADY IN AMERICA to deport at the same rate Biden was'.

Is that your argument?

the only thing I can do is give you some pointers to help you get through your day

 

[UberHere]

the only thing I can do is give you some pointers to help you get through your day

TS is a complete retard. This isn’t even the saddest of his threads.

 

[ChosenOne]

If there are fewer border crossings, then there will be fewer returns at the border. ...

inherent in your argument then is you claiming that one within one month the total number of illegal migrants in ALL OF AMERICA was not sufficient that Trump could maintain Biden numbers.

Are you admitting to that?


Do you understand that what you say can be true over time but WOULD NOT impact immediate numbers.

If there are millions of illegals how do you explain this...

"... Trump deported 37,660 people during his first month in office, previously unpublished U.S. Department of Homeland Security data show, far less than the monthly average of 57,000 removals under Biden..."

You are making an argument that Trump was lying and there ARE NOT millions of illegals to deport and with simply a drop in border crossings we SHOULD NOT expect Trump to find approximatley 20K he has dropped since taking office.

Do you understand you are making that argument or are you so stupid you cannot see you are?

(Don't answer that as we know)

 

[ChosenOne]

I want everyone to read and understand the argument @Mr Holmes is pushing now.

He is saying with a month border slow down, we should not expect Trump admin to be able to find and deport at a greater pace than the 57K pace Biden had.

He is arguing there really is no issue inside America and not enough Migrants to deport that we should even expect Trump to keep those numbers up at all.

He is saying Trump gets a pass and can do lower numbers simply because he is dealing with less at the border.

HOw many of you other Magats agree with that?

 

[Mr Holmes]

I want everyone to read and understand the argument @Mr Holmes is pushing now.

He is saying with a month border slow down, we should not expect Trump admin to be able to find and deport at a greater pace than the 57K pace Biden had.

He is arguing there really is no issue inside America and not enough Migrants to deport that we should even expect Trump to keep those numbers up at all.

He is saying Trump gets a pass and can do lower numbers simply because he is dealing with less at the border.

HOw many of you other Magats agree with that?

Uh, no I never said that. Reading and comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit. Everyone point and laugh at @ChosenOne. He's an imbecile that wants to ignore net increases in immigration & decreases of border crossings and focus solely on Drump's 1st month's deportations. He's too stupid to understand why this isn't the victory he thinks it is.

 

[ChosenOne]

Uh, no I never said that. Reading and comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit. Everyone point and laugh at @ChosenOne. He's an imbecile that wants to ignore net increases in immigration & decreases of border crossings and focus solely on Drump's 1st month's deportations. He's too stupid to understand why this isn't the victory he thinks it is.

You literally made an argument you either too dumb to understand or you now realize is so stupid, with my help, you are now trying to duck it.

Your argument was that because border crossings are down, that is why Trump's numbers on CURRENT expulsions should be lower than Biden's were a month later.

You cannot escape that is the crux of what you said even if in my highlighting it, you now realize how stupid it was and will try to disown what you said.


If you now deny that was your point then what reason do you give in excusing Trump's lower expulsion numbers? Or do you also now not give Trump a pass and rightfully blame him, thanks to me?

 

[Mr Holmes]

You literally made an argument you either too dumb to understand or you now realize is so stupid, with my help, you are now trying to duck it.

Your argument was that because border crossings are down, that is why Trump's numbers on CURRENT expulsions should be lower than Biden's were a month later.

You cannot escape that is the crux of what you said even if in my highlighting it, you now realize how stupid it was and will try to disown what you said.


If you now deny that was your point then what reason do you give in excusing Trump's lower expulsion numbers? Or do you also now not give Trump a pass and rightfully blame him, thanks to me?

You really are an imbecile.
Yes, a decrease in border crossings means its more difficult to make x amount removals.


No, that doesn't mean I think we don't have a problem with illegals in the interior. You made up all that on your own. You seem to think I give a shit about saying something negative about Trump. But thats only because you're hyper-partisn goof.

 

[Deorum]

No, that doesn't mean I think we don't have a problem with illegals in the interior. You made up all that on your own.

They are two sides of the same coin, but I'd say that border security and enforcement of territorial integrity is a considerably more pressing issue than deportations from the interior. As we speak, USBP is doing the greatest and most challenging work in its entire 100 year old history. Chief Michael Banks is the man for the moment and morale is through the fucking roof -- but even more importantly: they finally have the directives, resources, and support to do their job.

 

[Jacket time]

@Rob Battisti you like to cosplay that you are not just a magat blind supporter despite your post history showing you constantly support any pro Trump position and do not support or mock those that show trumps weak areas, mistakes and down right laughable positions.

What is it in the above you dispute, or was that simply your 'must align with Trump' reflex kicking in?

we have a tantrum here

 

[ChosenOne]

You really are an imbecile.
Yes, a decrease in border crossings means its more difficult to make x amount removals.
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No, that doesn't mean I think we don't have a problem with illegals in the interior. You made up all that on your own. You seem to think I give a shit about saying something negative about Trump. But thats only because you're hyper-partisn goof.

No.

There is simply no reason to believe someone competent would have a fall in removals when the population of illegals inside the US already is in the millions, and the population drop at the border is a tiny fraction of that.

A person, smarter than you, who wants to get his numbers up, focuses on the numbers inside the country, and the smallest percent increase there would easily over shadow even a huge percent drop in the much smaller numbers at the border.


You see, you are stupid, so you will read that and struggle to understand it. For a few seconds you might wrestle with it... think it sounds right but then as the poorly educated do, you will lose your train of thought.

It is sheer incompetence and a lack of care, similar to Trumps fail on the border wall and his fail in his term to deport more than Obama that causes his failure. He is telling you magats what you want to hear and not what he actually GAF about, the day after he is elected.

And you eat it up, because you lack critical thought.

 

[Deorum]

If democrats want to challenge him to deport more by taunts...

Bold Strategy.

 

[Deorum]

We need Homan in the WR.

Yeah the "open boarder" Dems narrative always confused me. They were deporting the fuck outta people.

RIP Based Dems.

 

[Madmick]

Bold Strategy.

The answer about sanctuary cities is based af.