Obama lied to america about Iran. . . Why was the deal so important to him?

[nac386]

In one way yes. But if the trade off is Iran having hundreds of billions of dollars into terrorist activity then obviously not.

So then we need to start over here.

Iran would like nuclear weapons, and this deal ensured they could not produce them. That is bad for Iran, and good for everybody else.

In turn, Iran had sanctions lifted. If Iran uses some of that money for terrorism, that is bad for everyone else.

So we need to start at a reasonable place. We can't start with, "It's good for Iran and bad for everybody" since the key component of the deal is that it restricts nuclear capability, which is obviously what the administration saw as the most important thing and most of us would agree.

The real debate has to be, do the pros of the deal outweigh the cons? Is the potential of a nuclear armed Iran more important to curtail than the potential for state funded terrorism?

It's not really as simple as you guys are making it.

 

[lifelessheap]

It does seem like they went above and beyond to make this Iran deal that doesn't really benefit anyone but Iran.

Imagine if Obama worked as hard to benefit tax paying American citizens as he did for Iran and illegal aliens.

It just seems like Obama hated Americans and did everything to benefit others.

 

[method115]

So then we need to start over here.

Iran would like nuclear weapons, and this deal ensured they could not produce them. That is bad for Iran, and good for everybody else.

In turn, Iran had sanctions lifted. If Iran uses some of that money for terrorism, that is bad for everyone else.

So we need to start at a reasonable place. We can't start with, "It's good for Iran and bad for everybody" since the key component of the deal is that it restricts nuclear capability, which is obviously what the administration saw as the most important thing and most of us would agree.

The real debate has to be, do the pros of the deal outweigh the cons? Is the potential of a nuclear armed Iran more important to curtail than the potential for state funded terrorism?

It's not really as simple as you guys are making it.

Yes but didn't the deal make it so that we weren't allowed to search military facilities? Kind of destroys the whole point of checking every 90 days if were only allowed to check where Iran will let us.

 

[Rod1]

Obama considered himself a citizen of the world.

That’s not what we want in a president. We want America First.

America first is putting Israel and Saudi Arabia interests over your own.

Because if you can trust someone, is religious supremacists.

 

[Seano]

Imagine if Obama worked as hard to benefit tax paying American citizens as he did for Iran and illegal aliens.

It just seems like Obama hated Americans and did everything to benefit others.

I can certainly see why people think so.

Imagine if our allies in the ME learned that we were allowing Iran to launder billions of dollars through US banks.

 

[Rod1]

Yes but didn't the deal make it so that we weren't allowed to search military facilities? Kind of destroys the whole point of checking every 90 days if were only allowed to check where Iran will let us.

Yes, absolutely nobody thought of that while making the deal at all.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

So then we need to start over here.

Iran would like nuclear weapons, and this deal ensured they could not produce them. That is bad for Iran, and good for everybody else.

In turn, Iran had sanctions lifted. If Iran uses some of that money for terrorism, that is bad for everyone else.

So we need to start at a reasonable place. We can't start with, "It's good for Iran and bad for everybody" since the key component of the deal is that it restricts nuclear capability, which is obviously what the administration saw as the most important thing and most of us would agree.

The real debate has to be, do the pros of the deal outweigh the cons? Is the potential of a nuclear armed Iran more important to curtail than the potential for state funded terrorism?

It's not really as simple as you guys are making it.

That's all dependent on the assumption Iran won't be able to get nukes and it gets a lot more complicated than "the inspectors can't find anything".

The Japanese don't have nukes, but they've engineered their nuclear facilities so basically if they turned a few bits and bolts, they'd be enriching uranium good enough for warheads. Nobody talks about this. Yea it's one thing to confirm they don't have a nuclear weapons program, are they going to end up with a system where in the near future they can make a few alterations and then have a much more robust nuclear program?

 

[2arctanx]

reading a biased report tells you nothing. the us wanted iran to stop enriching uranium and that was the deal struck. now iran will start up their centrifuges again.

 

[Seaside]

The point of the deal was to make it impossible for Iran to develop two necessary components for nuclear weapons, with regular checks every 90 days to ensure that was happening.

Does the world not benefit from that?

It was weak though be honest. You can never be 100% sure what they are doing in secret. I can understand the Americans dislike to it. Iran still has in this time been funding terror and doing proxy war. And they ballistic missiles program. The US approach seem to be sanctions that break through country and fund proxy regime change within. That could work

U sure they are the leader of state sponsored terrorism? Guess the sunni terrorist attacks just false flag then...

My guess would be that Obama might had a more balanced/ less saudi lead Islam in mind, in the middle east at least. Like india and pakistan, both have the bomb but mainly just barkin.

Pakistan is only bark as long as a brutal secret police and ilitary secularist control the weapons. But the country is filled with radicals who want war and would happy export nuclear material to the sunni world.

 

[Rod1]

That's all dependent on the assumption Iran won't be able to get nukes and it gets a lot more complicated than "the inspectors can't find anything".

The Japanese don't have nukes, but they've engineered their nuclear facilities so basically if they turned a few bits and bolts, they'd be enriching uranium good enough for warheads. Nobody talks about this. Yea it's one thing to confirm they don't have a nuclear weapons program, are they going to end up with a system where in the near future they can make a few alterations and then have a much more robust nuclear program?

They had to decomission a lot of centrifugues too. The deal wasnt made so that Iran couldnt make a nuke ever.

The deal was made so that Iran which already had enough enriched uranium to make a bomb, would need at least a year in order to make one.

Iran gave up 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium first.

 

[bobgeese]

America first is putting Israel and Saudi Arabia interests over your own.

Because if you can trust someone, is religious supremacists.

With all due respect, I don’t give a flying fuck what a Mexican thinks about America First.

Yes it’s unfortunate we’re tied so close to the Saudis (though to be fair they have made improvements as of late) and Israel, but that is the reality of the world.

It’s also a reality that Obama did not put America First.

 

[method115]

Yes, absolutely nobody thought of that while making the deal at all.

So what was the solution? Apparently the deal was signed and Iran agreed to allow access to any site that was suspected. Then they say Military sites are off limits.

 

[lifelessheap]

I can certainly see why people think so.

Imagine if our allies in the ME learned that we were allowing Iran to launder billions of dollars through US banks.

Imagine if the Prime Minister of Japan spent all his time trying to improve the lives of Mexicans and others entering his country illegally. Wouldn't that seem weird? And what if he worked extremely hard to give a terrorist state 6 billion dollars even though it had zero benefit to the Japanese, and imagine he told his citizens they didn't build their own businesses. Imagine him having hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens but on boats and shipped into his country while his citizens protested.

I mean, who would you think he worked for and cared about?

Do these tax paying American citizens seem happy that Obama was shipping tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children into our country and schools? How does this invasion benefit Americans?

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Revisionist history already trying to start to defend Trump by pulling a "but obama" ahead of John Bolton and Trump starting Gulf War v.3.0

 

[44nutman]

The difference between the two is that the Iranian leadership, the government as a sovereign state are funding terrorism and using its intelligence agencies to provide support. The royal family hasn't supported terrorism. Its wealthy people from Saudi Arabia and the Arabian peninsula who are big on funding through Arab finance hard to track.

Qatar and Yemen are Mohammed bin Salman ideas. They support terrorism in those countries. When you deal with a Theocracy, you deal with crazies, but hey they got oil, swords and glowing balls, so the US acts as their muscle, while they support people who blow up our buildings.
The House of Saud is the biggest Terrorist organization on the planet.

 

[Rod1]

So what was the solution? Apparently the deal was signed and Iran agreed to allow access to any site that was suspected. Then they say Military sites are off limits.

You said it yourself, "sites that were suspected".

 

[Rod1]

With all due respect, I don’t give a flying fuck what a Mexican thinks about America First.

You are taking the word of chickehawk neocons over the word of career military officers and nuclear scientists. Not just "some mexican"

But sure, you are the kind of guy that would support anything as long as dear leader says so.

 

[bobgeese]

You are taking the word of chickehawk neocons over the word of career military officers and nuclear scientists. Not just "some mexican"

But sure, you are the kind of guy that would support anything as long as dear leader says so.

I trust Mattis.

 

[Judge]

U sure they are the leader of state sponsored terrorism? Guess the sunni terrorist attacks just false flag then...

My guess would be that Obama might had a more balanced/ less saudi lead Islam in mind, in the middle east at least. Like india and pakistan, both have the bomb but mainly just barkin.

You want to provide evidence to make me believe you?
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/iran-still-top-state-sponsor-terrorism-u-s-report-says
Iran still top state sponsor of terrorism, U.S. report says

Doesn't it suck when you don't know what you are talking about and it takes 5 seconds for someone to prove you wrong?
Doesn't it suck that you get the reputation for not knowing anything and not to be taken seriously at all.

I would rather be an asshole with some facts to back up my arguments vs whatever you are doing.

Iran would like nuclear weapons, and this deal ensured they could not produce them.

It absolutely does not at all. This makes no sense at all. No treaty or deal EVER stops something from happening. If you cannot enrich uranium you cannot make nuclear weapons.

We already seen that Iran was allowed to SELF TEST at main nuke site. We also just had the reports from Israel that Iran was doing all this nuclear shit and they had the evidence.

Your post does not make any fucking sense on any grounds at all.

Question, did Clinton's deal with NK stop NK's nuclear program???

It is just sad that you actually believe an agreement stops anybody from doing anything. It is not the agreement. Plus that agreement wasn't so good.

Dangerous and stupid should never be mixed.

Revisionist history already trying to start to defend Trump by pulling a "but obama" ahead of John Bolton and Trump starting Gulf War v.3.0

Are you calling evidence provided by the AP as revisionist history??? LULZ.

The rest of your post is just some butthurt shit that don't make sense.

Poor snowflake gonna metl

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Qatar and Yemen are Mohammed bin Salman ideas. They support terrorism in those countries. When you deal with a Theocracy, you deal with crazies, but hey they got oil, swords and glowing balls, so the US acts as their muscle, while they support people who blow up our buildings.
The House of Saud is the biggest Terrorist organization on the planet.

Um, its Iran funding terrorism in Yemen.