Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

[UFCUCF]

The claim that the Obama administration accused Donald Trump of winning the 2016 presidential election due to fraudulent voting machine tabulations is unsupported and directly contradicted by the record.

In fact, the U.S. Intelligence Community’s January 6, 2017 Assessment explicitly stated:

“DHS assesses that the types of systems we observed Russian actors targeting or compromising were not involved in vote tallying.”

Similarly, then–Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified before Congress in 2017:

“We did not see evidence of manipulation of voter tallies.” (House Intel Comm., June 21, 2017)

Whille the Obama administration and U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia engaged in a wide-ranging campaign of disinformation, hacking, and influence operations, they were clear and consistent in affirming that no evidence existed of altered vote counts or tampering with voting machines.

Claims to the contrary misrepresent the government’s findings and undermine the factual and bipartisan conclusions reached by both the executive branch and the Senate Intelligence Committee.

 

[cincymma79]

When was the last time you travelled abroad? We are literally the butt of all jokes internationally because of him. It happened in his first term but only cheekily funny. We are literally a laughing stoock. This didn't happen with Biden. Prove me wrong with examples.

I love being American, I adore this country, but we're in a terrible lull at the moment. I assume you've read the dip in tourism?

You’re barely American

 

[cincymma79]

The claim that the Obama administration accused Donald Trump of winning the 2016 presidential election due to fraudulent voting machine tabulations is unsupported and directly contradicted by the record.

In fact, the U.S. Intelligence Community’s January 6, 2017 Assessment explicitly stated:

“DHS assesses that the types of systems we observed Russian actors targeting or compromising were not involved in vote tallying.”

Similarly, then–Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified before Congress in 2017:

“We did not see evidence of manipulation of voter tallies.” (House Intel Comm., June 21, 2017)

Whille the Obama administration and U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that Russia engaged in a wide-ranging campaign of disinformation, hacking, and influence operations, they were clear and consistent in affirming that no evidence existed of altered vote counts or tampering with voting machines.

Claims to the contrary misrepresent the government’s findings and undermine the factual and bipartisan conclusions reached by both the executive branch and the Senate Intelligence Committee.

So this is where the technically shit starts

Obama/democrats feed the stuff to their propaganda arm (the media) and they report it. Then Obama can say woah I didn’t do that it was just reported everywhere….because they gave it to them.

 

[fingercuffs]

You’re barely American

It's amusing how many people I school who have no grasp on The Constitution telling me to fuck off back to England.

 

[fingercuffs]

So this is where the technically shit starts

Obama/democrats feed the stuff to their propaganda arm (the media) and they report it. Then Obama can say woah I didn’t do that it was just reported everywhere….because they gave it to them.

Can we see some examples? If it's "everywhere"?

 

[oldshadow]

oh, my. you honestly have a fifth-grader’s conception of how politics & the world works. simple shadow.

You're the simple one if you think either side will not do everything in their power to destroy the other.

 

[oldshadow]

So you're ignoring our tourism dip because Merica Fuck Yeah?

You don't care about the rest of the world because you're incredibly insular to the US, lol.

Not giving a fuck about how our allies who are distancing themselves from us is fucking terrible. When did this happen before? Blindfolded.

Trump is doing what he said that is put the US first. I may not agree with how or what he does in everything but that I agree with.

 

[Strychnine]

I'm just curious, question for die hard lefties here. You know without a doubt that the democrats have perpetrated hoax after hoax against Trump, this is fact not a debate.
So then, why would it be so hard to believe that this is another hoax from the democrats? Honest question.

The 34 convictions that Trump was found guilty of tell me all I need to know about Trump and Co.

 

[Strychnine]

It's crazy to see how blindly partisan some people can be.

It's not left vs. right. It's the 1% (or 0,01% or the elite, however you want to call them) vs. the plebs. You're just falling for a bunch of distractions.

And now they're falling on their swords to protect people who actually abused...

Children.

Look at how far we've fallen.

 

[Area809]

“according to a bombshell document released by the Trump administration Friday”

Dang son, then it must be true, lol.

Right, because I’m going to believe the same people who still deny the 2020 elections. You must be one dumb fuck to believe anything that comes from this administration.

 

[fingercuffs]

Trump is doing what he said that is put the US first. I may not agree with how or what he does in everything but that I agree with.

Of all the promises he said we would be benefiting on day 1, what has he delivered?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

The 34 convictions that Trump was found guilty of tell me all I need to know about Trump and Co.

It's not hard to be convicted in a country of corrupt judges, if we're being honest. He was literally found liable for rape with not a shred of evidence lol. Nobody takes the American Judicial system seriously. I'm serious though we all laugh at how stupid your court systems are, its a joke.

Again though, I'm not saying the Epstein files were made by the democrats, or that they had altered files or added names, I'm just saying given their history, there's really no reason to believe they wouldn't stoop to that level, considering they've done much worse. Realistically anyone here supporting the democrats, support a group of the most corrupt politicians in American history, a literal criminal organization trying to subvert power and take over the US government by manufacturing evidence to prosecute political opponents. Anyone supporting them should be ashamed tbh.

There's no proof Trump was involved in anything that Epstein had going on with underage girls, that's just the facts. I'm not willing to jump to conclusions like many of you do, because like I've said there are many possible reasons why they aren't being released which have nothing to do with Trump at all. But everyone wants to make it about Trump because of TDS. You're all so desperate for trump to be a diddler that you've lost all common sense.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

For all we know Jeffrey Epstein could have used his private island to entertain underage girls less than 1% of the time he was there. I'm just playing devils advocate to show you how even if a list existed, it wouldn't even matter.

First of all, we have no idea what Jeffrey Epstein did on his private island. For all we know he conducted business or participated in standard activities a majority of the time he was there. it would be wrong to assume he was conducting nefarious activities at all time, as we have no way to prove that. Thus, even if flight logs to the island were to exist, there's no way to prove it had anything to do with underage girls. Flight logs are meaningless.

A client list, which really has no logical reason to exist and likely has never existed, would also not be enough to prove anything. There is always skepticism about if the list is real, what the list actually refers to. The list is not going to be titled "Underage girls for Powerful people club". You're going to need to prove that list was a client list, something that's basically impossible. Beyond that, because there was a criminal organization in the white house, aka the democrats, you will always wonder if they fabricated evidence in the files, as that is right in the wheelhouse of illegal activities they've been caught doing over the years.

The only way to know for sure whether or not Trump was there, would be go to back in time and watch the island to see if he was there or find video recording of him being there, which doesn't exist.
The Epstein files are being used by the media as another push to try and destroy Trumps character, something they've been doing for the past 9 years. Russia russia russia, steel dossier etc how many lies will the democrats fall for, it's like tricking toddlers.

 

[Libero cane v2]

It's not hard to be convicted in a country of corrupt judges, if we're being honest. He was literally found liable for rape with not a shred of evidence lol. Nobody takes the American Judicial system seriously. I'm serious though we all laugh at how stupid your court systems are, its a joke.

Again though, I'm not saying the Epstein files were made by the democrats, or that they had altered files or added names, I'm just saying given their history, there's really no reason to believe they wouldn't stoop to that level, considering they've done much worse. Realistically anyone here supporting the democrats, support a group of the most corrupt politicians in American history, a literal criminal organization trying to subvert power and take over the US government by manufacturing evidence to prosecute political opponents. Anyone supporting them should be ashamed tbh.

There's no proof Trump was involved in anything that Epstein had going on with underage girls, that's just the facts. I'm not willing to jump to conclusions like many of you do, because like I've said there are many possible reasons why they aren't being released which have nothing to do with Trump at all. But everyone wants to make it about Trump because of TDS. You're all so desperate for trump to be a diddler that you've lost all common sense.

To be clear- you’re saying ALL those close associates of Trump were wrongfully convicted by corrupt judges?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

HE ADMITTED THAT HE'S IN THE FILES.

- I think anyone knows that.

 

[oldshadow]

Of all the promises he said we would be benefiting on day 1, what has he delivered?

Start with the border.

 

[Cajun]

You mean 2016 or 2024? From all the info being released the last two weeks it seems like him and Epstein were best buds. Certainly he was aware of everything while in his first term. Wasn't Trump in office when Epstein "committed suicide"?

Yeah convicted in 2019 and killed the same year. So Trump would have had 2020 if he wanted to have a look and see if he was in there.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Ex-Epstein lawyer calls for release of additional Epstein materials​

By Sarah N. Lynch

WASHINGTON, July 20 (Reuters) - One of Jeffrey Epstein's former attorneys on Sunday called on the U.S. Justice Department to release additional investigative records from its sex-trafficking investigation, and urged the government to grant Epstein's former girlfriend immunity so that she can testify about his crimes.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, Alan Dershowitz said the grand jury transcripts that Attorney General Pam Bondi on Friday asked a federal judge to unseal would not contain the types of information being sought by President Donald Trump's supporters, such as the names of Epstein's clientele.

"I think the judge should release it, but they are not in the grand jury transcripts," Dershowitz said on Fox.

"I've seen some of these materials. For example, there is an FBI report of interviews with alleged victims in which at least one of the victims names very important people," he said, adding that those names have been redacted.
President Donald Trump has been under mounting pressure from his supporters to release additional information related to the government's sex-trafficking probe into Jeffrey Epstein, who died by suicide in a Manhattan jail in 2019 while awaiting trial.

Earlier this year, Bondi promised that the department would release additional materials including "a lot of names" and "a lot of flight logs."

The department back-tracked on that promise earlier this month, after releasing a joint memo, opens new tab with the FBI which poured cold water on long-running conspiracy theories about Epstein by saying there was "no incriminating client list" or any evidence of blackmail.

The memo also backed a prior FBI investigation which concluded that Epstein died by suicide and was not murdered in his jail cell.

Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel have faced a growing backlash by Trump's supporters since the memo was issued, prompting Trump last week to order the department to ask a court to unseal grand jury transcripts from the Epstein case.

The U.S. government on Friday filed a motion in a Manhattan federal court to unseal grand jury transcripts in the cases of Epstein and former associate Ghislaine Maxwell.

Maxwell was convicted in 2021 of five federal charges related to her role in Epstein's sexual abuse of underage girls. Maxwell is appealing her conviction and 20-year prison sentence to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The release of the grand jury documents may fall short of what many of Trump's supporters have sought, including case files held by the administration, and a judge may reject the administration's request to make the transcripts public.

Dershowitz on Sunday told "Fox News Sunday" that the information that Bondi did not request to be unsealed would be "far more informative and far more relevant."

He added that the government should also grant Maxwell immunity so that she could testify before Congress about what knowledge she has of Epstein's alleged crimes.

"She knows everything. She is the Rosetta Stone," he said of Maxwell.
"If she were just given use immunity, she could be compelled to testify."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...ease-additional-epstein-materials-2025-07-20/

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

To be clear- you’re saying ALL those close associates of Trump were wrongfully convicted by corrupt judges?

Let's pretend every single conviction had merit, what does that mean? Many politicians have been prosecuted and found guilty of crimes, and many have committed crimes and received nothing like Hilary Clinton etc. But let's pretend your court system was actually fair and had real merit. In the world I live in, individuals are responsible for their own actions. I don't blame Biden because Nancy Pelosi made hundreds of millions of dollars on insider trading. I blame Nancy Pelosi. There will always be corrupt politicians and many of the convictions are frivolous yes. The system will pick and choose who to convict and who to let go, based on who is in power and the judges at the time. It's a dick swinging power struggle between two political parties that try to prosecute each other over bullshit all the time. I know every American is raised to believe that justice prevails and believe in the courts etc, but it's just bullshit, everyone in the world knows that the US court system is completely corrupted to the core. You know it as well. That doesn't mean every case is an injustice, but we all know there is abuse of power, we see examples of it every day.

Trump is responsible for what Trump does, he's not responsible for what other people do, imo. I would say that for anyone.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I'm just curious, question for die hard lefties here. You know without a doubt that the democrats have perpetrated hoax after hoax against Trump, this is fact not a debate.
So then, why would it be so hard to believe that this is another hoax from the democrats? Honest question.

- Why are you defending Trump? You're aint into young girls. You've been trying to hit that GILF landlord of yours for athleats a decade by now.