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Law Trump says the Epstein list is a conspiracy created by Obama and Clinton

Do you believe Trump is in the Epstein List?

  • Yes, absolutely.

    Votes: 222 55.8%
  • Yes, probably.

    Votes: 113 28.4%
  • No, he's not on the list.

    Votes: 28 7.0%
  • No, there is no list. So of course he's not on it.

    Votes: 18 4.5%
  • I'm on the fence.

    Votes: 17 4.3%

  • Total voters
    398
Where have you discussed genders? I'm obviously missing a conversation here.

The wheel of the beast? Explain.
Google can be your friend my friend . In all your years and drag shows experience you think there is only 3 genders ?

Wheel of the beast was bullshit story about Trump overtaking the wheel of a car from a secret device agent in 2020
 
Google can be your friend my friend . In all your years and drag shows experience you think there is only 3 genders ?

Wheel of the beast was bullshit story about Trump overtaking the wheel of a car from a secret device agent in 2020
What do either of those things have to do with the topic?

What discussion have you and he had about 100 genders?
 
Possible. You're still reaching though based on no actual evidence. You're coming to a conclusion first and then looking for details to confirm what you want to be true.

Stop trying to analyze this shit based on your feelings. Instead look at the facts objectively.

There's the same or more evidence for Trump as there is for every single person you named. I don't think you are weighing the facts fairly.

Obv, neither one of us has cracked the case. We are both just debating what makes the most sense to us.


The Occam's razor is that there are indeed powerful people trying to suppress this shit. Fucking obviously.

Right.

Like Trump + Clinton lol.

It's not just billionaires. Mossad has a public connection to Epstein. One of the survivors said a Hollywood Director (think it was Michael Bay) and actor was there. The list goes on and on.

So who knows how many other people. Here are some prominent ones.

Alexander Acosta: The former US Attorney played a role in negotiating a plea deal for Epstein in 2008 that allowed him to avoid federal sex trafficking charges. Acosta later resigned as Labor Secretary amidst the controversy.

Bill Richardson: The late former Governor of New Mexico was named in victim testimonies but denied the allegations.

Business executives:
  • Les Wexner: The founder of L Brands (Victoria's Secret, Bath & Body Works) was a long-time client of Epstein, who managed his money. Wexner has stated he severed ties with Epstein after his initial arrest.
  • Leon Black: The co-founder and former CEO of Apollo Global Management, hired Epstein as a financial advisor, paying him substantial fees. Black has since expressed regret for the association.
  • Joi Ito: The former director of the MIT Media Lab resigned after revelations he accepted anonymous donations from Epstein through Epstein's foundations.
Entertainment and other figures:
  • David Copperfield: The magician's name was revealed in unsealed documents and he was reportedly seen at Epstein's house, though no wrongdoing on his part has been alleged.
  • Kevin Spacey: The actor was also mentioned in connection with Epstein and has been accused of sexual assault himself. He denied knowing Epstein well, despite flying on his private plane.
  • Michael Jackson: The late singer was mentioned in victim testimonies as having been seen at Epstein's Florida home, but no allegations of wrongdoing against him were made.
  • Stephen Hawking: The late scientist was mentioned in connection with Epstein through an email sent by Epstein regarding a baseless claim.

My Sherbro, you're listing folks who are dead as people who are still theoretically controlling Trump uncovering a secret pdfile ring.

Which one of these people is influential + powerful enough to control Trump?

I don't buy any of these names.


In fact, I'll double down and say I don't buy these names being influential enough as a secret coordinated cabal, much less individually.


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Mossad is the only name you listed even hypothetically powerful enough - but now we aren't discussing billionaires. And I don't understand what they could offer or threaten Trump with?

Certainly, you're not telling me that Israel could assassinate the US president whenever it wants and they really run the world militarily?


Your theory makes zero sense. This dude was telegraphing that he would release and reveal all the Epstein shit for months. Even after he got into office.

Why the fuck would he do that if he knew he diddled one of the underage girls?

Because Trump talks shit? I think you're overselling his intelligence here. He (hypothetically) would have escaped evidence for decades, now with another 4 years guaranteed. Who was gonna hold him accountable? MAGA? lolol

Or perhaps because Trump thought he could ignore it like Biden and overestimated his base's thirst. He might have assumed he was so powerful that he could shoot someone on 5th ave, therefore, certainly he could convince them to move on.

Both seem very reasonable to me, given trumps 80-year history of narcissism.


The much more likely scenario is that influential people didn't want their name dragged through the mud.

Remember that a lot of these influential people didn't actually take part on the diddling and most likely didn't know it was going on. But they still don't want their name associated with Epstein at all because it would be career suicide.

If Trump's willing to cover it up for backdoor bribes or whatever, I'm not sure I see that as a lot more morally superior to being involved.

If billionaires are willing to cover up a pdfile ring they weren't involved in because they are afraid of optics, I'm not sure I see that as a lot more morally superior to being involved either.


I promise i'll stop chain tagging you since the ppv is almost on, but I appreciate the debate nonetheless.
 
Always in my head. They were at a record store opening in a very small town I grew up in, I went during my school lunch break much to my mum's chagrin, she didn't know till it was in the local paper.
The owner had a record stall at the local market every week and used to put special editions by for me of Simple Minds, U2, Then Jerico and and stuff.
You have a very sharp musical taste. A little story behind that song: Chris got a call from a lady, and she said she would be right over. He was kind of scared. This was a hellcat in her prime. He wrote that song in the hour before she arrived. He played the song for her and she was not amused.
 
What do either of those things have to do with the topic?
I'll tell it like it is so WR can focus.

There are 4 genders if you include the hermaphrodites.
Male
Female
Female up top, male below
Male up top, female below
 
I honestly have to throw a coin up in the air to see if they are literally defending the convicted felon adjudicated rapist because they're too stupid to back down or they're trolling.
Both, but the reality is they have to hold on to the peeterphile for the rest of their identity to hold up
 
Jesus christ

This ABSOLUTELY embodies the maga 180 on the Epstein list and ped0phelia.

Cant make this shit up

I cant speak for Maga but honestly you guys make it sound like the Epstein case is the biggest thing in the world, when in reality very few people even care about it. I'm not trying to downplay what might be in the Epstein files, I'm just saying nobody actually cares except a few politicians and internet personalities. The left-wing internet personalities are a joke like Tyler Brian Cohen and other anti Trumpers. They don't actually even believe half of the stuff they say, but they're desperate for clicks and attention for their channel that they'll do anything to keep it going.

1) Nobody except a very small fraction of people care about the Epstein files
2) Epstein Client list doesn't exist
3) Elon Musk doesn't know anything about the Epstein Files, he's just giving an opinion

Everyone has been assuming for years that a client list exists, it never existed. It wasn't released by Biden, it wasn't released by Trump, and Trump says that the client list doesn't exist, but he does admit there are Epstein Files and evidence that can be released.

Face facts, there never was a client list. If certain pieces of information are being concealed, it very likely has nothing to do with Trump or Biden etc.
 
There's no such thing as an Epstein client list and no he was never on it because it doesn't exist.
 
There's the same or more evidence for Trump as there is for every single person you named. I don't think you are weighing the facts fairly.

Obv, neither one of us has cracked the case. We are both just debating what makes the most sense to us.

So every single one of those people diddled kids? Stephan Hawking?

My Sherbro, you're listing folks who are dead as people who are still theoretically controlling Trump uncovering a secret pdfile ring.

Which one of these people is influential + powerful enough to control Trump?

I don't buy any of these names.


In fact, I'll double down and say I don't buy these names being influential enough as a secret coordinated cabal, much less individually.

Mossad. Trump suck's Israel's dick daily. He literally used at a minimum $70 million in bombs plus the cost of the operation just at Israel's behest.

Plus who knows who else is on Epstein's list. I just named some offhand people based on a quick Google search. I'm sure there's many more. If multiple Republican politicians also went to Epstein's island or had some connection to him, Trump would squash the story.

Mossad is the only name you listed even hypothetically powerful enough - but now we aren't discussing billionaires. And I don't understand what they could offer or threaten Trump with?

Certainly, you're not telling me that Israel could assassinate the US president whenever it wants and they really run the world militarily?

Why would they need to threaten Trump? He could just be going along with protecting them.

He does a shit ton of other favors for many groups and people - deregulation, giving sweetheart deals to pharmaceutical companies, gave TPS just for South African white men because Musk wanted him to, etc.

Because Trump talks shit? I think you're overselling his intelligence here. He (hypothetically) would have escaped evidence for decades, now with another 4 years guaranteed. Who was gonna hold him accountable? MAGA? lolol

Or perhaps because Trump thought he could ignore it like Biden and overestimated his base's thirst. He might have assumed he was so powerful that he could shoot someone on 5th ave, therefore, certainly he could convince them to move on.

Both seem very reasonable to me, given trumps 80-year history of narcissism.

Yea reach there.

If Trump's willing to cover it up for backdoor bribes or whatever, I'm not sure I see that as a lot more morally superior to being involved.

If billionaires are willing to cover up a pdfile ring they weren't involved in because they are afraid of optics, I'm not sure I see that as a lot more morally superior to being involved either.

Who said he's morally superior? He's a scumbag that's covering and lying for a PDF File ring. I do think it's a possibility his name may have been mentioned in some files so maybe he didn't want that heat and speculation.

But I don't think it's likely he himself took part in the diddling underage people, based on what we know so far and common sense.

I'm calling it like how I see it from what we know.
 
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Your straw grasping is as hilarious as you are oblivious to it.
Oh spare me Aussie , who says Australia’s response to Covid was just . Sydney is beautiful and my favorite band is parkway drive other then that Australia sucks dick
 
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