Elections NYC mayoral race

nhbbear said:
No police were harmed because they correctly used deadly force against this threat. When he went to visit this violent man in the hospital and took no action whatsoever to back his officers and with his past statements where he called the Nypd racist and a threat to the public

One bullet point in Mamdani’s proposal reads: “end co-response teams to hand calls off to crisis and outreach teams that are better positioned to address people’s needs.”


In short, Mamdani’s mental health response team vision is to shift the city’s crisis response from a police-led model to a public health model, with social workers, EMTs, and peer counselors at the front lines, while keeping police as a last resort in high-risk situations.

And you’re hoping the family sues, gets money, and it comes out of the pension fund? Fuck off with that shit. They don’t deserve a fucking dime and you want to punish police retirees who had nothing to do with a justified shooting? That’s what’s wrong with lawsuits against police-the cities either settle or the plaintiffs are awarded crazy amounts for justified shootings-see alton sterling, mike brown, rashard brooks, jayland walker, kizee in La, and way way too many others. That’s why I’m not comfortable completely eliminating qualified immunity-because I don’t trust the fucked up leg system that instead of a city paying out millions to someone who won the shitbag lottery where a justified shootings ends up costing tax payers millions and rewards shitty behavior-now an individual officer is on the hook -look up jayland walker for a recent one that was settled for over 4 million. Fucking ridiculous
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His initial reaction was applauding the first responder.

Every police murder and civil rights violation should come out of their pension fund. Only way pigs will police themselves is if they're all held to account.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
His initial reaction was applauding the first responder.

Every police murder and civil rights violation should come out of their pension fund. Only way pigs will police themselves is if they're all held to account.
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Well, this doesn’t come off as a childish acab twat post…at all.

While I do believe that qualified immunity needs some definite regulatory changes, touching the pensions of retirees is absolutely retarded. Punishing retirees for something they had absolutely nothing to do with is wrong and will ultimately reduce their pensions amount or length of retirement that they earned. No one would ever suggest that happen to teachers or even retirees of companies that later go on to commit some form of fraud. It just wouldn’t happen, but people like you that hate police-well, that’s just peachy.

So I will provide my proposed changes-

first, don’t make it so damn difficult to determine certain actions are unconstitutional simply because that sort of situation has never been ruled on before. In the 80s, nypd officer sodomized a Haitian immigrant with a broomstick-everyone knows that was wrong, illegal, violated rights, and was evil af. We don’t need a separate ruling to determine that an officer deciding to shove another type of object-not quite a broomstick, but say a souvenir baseball bat up someone’s ass to be able to rule it violated the previous ruling-thus opening up that officer to civil litigation from the victim. This is just a quickly made up example to illustrate how fucked up the current QI rules are.

Second, there needs to be some sort of protection when it comes to cities settling out of fear in an overly litigious society where everyone is looking for a quick buck from cities overly eager to settle and not fight a bad case at all. Just like criminal trials, the defendant should be able to request either a jury or judge trial to determine damages. Juries are too often activist style juries that have zero understanding of use of force or policies and procedures when it comes to policing and are thus not in a position to make an intelligent decision not based upon intelligent and knowledgeable backgrounds. I believe a judge is better equipped to make such a decision. Cities are afraid of astronomical awards so they settles.


Please, see my examples that I listed-in particular jayland walker who committed suicide by cop after his finance was killed in a hit and run-so he tried on two separate occasions to lure police into a car chase so he could carry out his plan. The first dept called off the pursuit so during the second, he fired a shot at the pursuing officer and then put his gun, an engagement ring, and a bible on the seat before getting out of the vehicle and fleeing on foot before he turned and mimed having a gun as he turned back towards police who shot and killed him. His family got just under 5 million which was his plan all along to mar his family rich while killing homself out of grief. Fuck him, fuck his family, and fuck the settlement.
I also have tons of other examples of such similar justified shootings that led to large settlements.

Third, judges and prosecutors also need to be able to be sued for bad rulings or decisions that lead to deaths of innocent people but they are completely immune. I am talking about cases where a judge released an armed car jacker with a long history out on personal recog and the prosecution did not object. A week later, he robbed, shot, and killed an innocent citizen-a college student whose family has zero recourse to sue unless they go after the fucking turd that murdered him and what are they going to get? Maybe $3 and a bicycle? This was of course in the shithole of Philly where the super progressive DAs office under larry krasner is known for this shit as well as activist judges. There was also a recent case where a 100% unrepentant defendant who smiled during trial was convicted of murder and the jury sentenced him to 65 years only for an activist progressive judge to reduce the sentence by over half because she said as a black man-he didn’t know better. These judges need to go and be held accountable for obsurd rulings that lead to people getting murdered or raped by weak sentences or being released despite a threat to the community.

It according to you, the retirees from Akron pd in the jayland walker should have their pensions cut by such a large settlement. Fuck off with that shit- it hey, they are pigs.
 
Scerpi said:
lol... Its hilarious watching this shit show from here

Broken promise after broken promise...



‘Honor His Promise’: Advocates Criticize Mamdani’s CityFHEPS Reversal​

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'Honor His Promise': Advocates Criticize Mamdani's CityFHEPS Reversal, and What Else Happened This Week in Housing - City Limits

Faced with steep fiscal challenges, Mamdani said the city is now pursuing a settlement over the CityFHEPS expansion laws that will balances housing needs and budget sustainability.
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The Mamdani administration is backtracking on a campaign commitment to expand eligibility for the city’s housing voucher program.

“We got the promise of how this is going to be a new era in City Hall and in New York City, but it feels like the mayor is replicating similar failures from previous administrations in not really being bold and centering solutions … that can actually help us put a dent on the mass homelessness crisis,” said Adolfo Abreu, housing campaigns director at VOCAL-NY, a group that organizes with people in shelters.

The Mamdani administration is feeling the pressure of balancing its first budget, which has a $7 billion deficit. CityFHEPS currently serves over 65,000 households—making it the second largest voucher program in the country. Its budget soared to $1.25 billion last fiscal year, a five-fold increase since 2021.

Comptroller Mark Levine estimated that implementing the Council’s expansion would increase the budget deficit by $6 to $20 billion in the next five years.
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And his promise of "fast, free buses" actually turned into a 10 cent increase on bus fares.
 
The former Mayor is not taking the blame...


In case anyone was wondering, this was the real motive behind today’s press conference.

Mayor Mamdani promised a laundry list of “free” giveaways to buy votes, with no plan to pay for them. Now that the math doesn’t work, instead of owning the fact that he misled New Yorkers, he’s blaming me.
Let’s be clear: I left him over $8 BILLION in reserves.

This is the same Mamdani who spent years attacking me for not spending enough during the migrant crisis.The only reason those reserves exist is because I ignored him and his socialist comrades who demanded we blow billions more with no guardrails.

“Free” isn’t free. It’s just a bill someone else has to pay. (Former Mayor: Eric Adams)
 
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nhbbear said:
Well, this doesn’t come off as a childish acab twat post…at all.

While I do believe that qualified immunity needs some definite regulatory changes, touching the pensions of retirees is absolutely retarded. Punishing retirees for something they had absolutely nothing to do with is wrong and will ultimately reduce their pensions amount or length of retirement that they earned. No one would ever suggest that happen to teachers or even retirees of companies that later go on to commit some form of fraud. It just wouldn’t happen, but people like you that hate police-well, that’s just peachy.

So I will provide my proposed changes-

first, don’t make it so damn difficult to determine certain actions are unconstitutional simply because that sort of situation has never been ruled on before. In the 80s, nypd officer sodomized a Haitian immigrant with a broomstick-everyone knows that was wrong, illegal, violated rights, and was evil af. We don’t need a separate ruling to determine that an officer deciding to shove another type of object-not quite a broomstick, but say a souvenir baseball bat up someone’s ass to be able to rule it violated the previous ruling-thus opening up that officer to civil litigation from the victim. This is just a quickly made up example to illustrate how fucked up the current QI rules are.

Second, there needs to be some sort of protection when it comes to cities settling out of fear in an overly litigious society where everyone is looking for a quick buck from cities overly eager to settle and not fight a bad case at all. Just like criminal trials, the defendant should be able to request either a jury or judge trial to determine damages. Juries are too often activist style juries that have zero understanding of use of force or policies and procedures when it comes to policing and are thus not in a position to make an intelligent decision not based upon intelligent and knowledgeable backgrounds. I believe a judge is better equipped to make such a decision. Cities are afraid of astronomical awards so they settles.


Please, see my examples that I listed-in particular jayland walker who committed suicide by cop after his finance was killed in a hit and run-so he tried on two separate occasions to lure police into a car chase so he could carry out his plan. The first dept called off the pursuit so during the second, he fired a shot at the pursuing officer and then put his gun, an engagement ring, and a bible on the seat before getting out of the vehicle and fleeing on foot before he turned and mimed having a gun as he turned back towards police who shot and killed him. His family got just under 5 million which was his plan all along to mar his family rich while killing homself out of grief. Fuck him, fuck his family, and fuck the settlement.
I also have tons of other examples of such similar justified shootings that led to large settlements.

Third, judges and prosecutors also need to be able to be sued for bad rulings or decisions that lead to deaths of innocent people but they are completely immune. I am talking about cases where a judge released an armed car jacker with a long history out on personal recog and the prosecution did not object. A week later, he robbed, shot, and killed an innocent citizen-a college student whose family has zero recourse to sue unless they go after the fucking turd that murdered him and what are they going to get? Maybe $3 and a bicycle? This was of course in the shithole of Philly where the super progressive DAs office under larry krasner is known for this shit as well as activist judges. There was also a recent case where a 100% unrepentant defendant who smiled during trial was convicted of murder and the jury sentenced him to 65 years only for an activist progressive judge to reduce the sentence by over half because she said as a black man-he didn’t know better. These judges need to go and be held accountable for obsurd rulings that lead to people getting murdered or raped by weak sentences or being released despite a threat to the community.

It according to you, the retirees from Akron pd in the jayland walker should have their pensions cut by such a large settlement. Fuck off with that shit- it hey, they are pigs.
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I'm not reading all of this, though I appreciate the effort (I'll try to come back and read the rest in a bit). I skimmed it and caught the 1st 2 and last paragraph/ sentence.
You can't say "fuck empathy" and then expect others to give a fuck about you and the people you care about.
1. Mamdani applauded the officer the shooting you brought up.
2. He expressed empathy for the mentally ill man who got shot because he sees the gaping hole in our society where the mentally ill are victims of a legal system ill prepared to help them. A sentiment you echoed.
3. You attacked him for this and attacked him for having empathy.
4. Not every example of a cop killing a mentally ill person is the cop's fault. This case being a great example. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that the example you listed is another. That doesn't meant there isn't a systemic blind spot and it doesn't mean every shooting is justified.
5. Being a cop is an immensely difficult job. Many, many, many members of my family and friends are cops; from police chief, state trooper, detective, and beat cop. I respect the job that these men and woman have to do. That being said, they've hidden behind that "thin blue line" like a crime family, avoiding accountability, for over a century. And whenever those chickens come home to roost, its the tax payer who picks up the tab (not to mention the victims). And when your profession is pressured, you guys pout and half ass it and allow crimes to be committed. So yeah, you have a bad cop on the force who you fail to reign in? Any financial penalty associated with that gross negligence should come directly out of the pension fund.

edit: I wound up reading the whole thing. I think there should be rules and reviews, maybe even public ones, for judges and lawyers (prosecution and defense). Our adversarial legal system has issues that need to be reformed.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
I'm not reading all of this, though I appreciate the effort (I'll try to come back and read the rest in a bit). I skimmed it and caught the 1st 2 and last paragraph/ sentence.
You can't say "fuck empathy" and then expect others to give a fuck about you and the people you care about.
1. Mamdani applauded the officer the shooting you brought up.
2. He expressed empathy for the mentally ill man who got shot because he sees the gaping hole in our society where the mentally ill are victims of a legal system ill prepared to help them. A sentiment you echoed.
3. You attacked him for this and attacked him for having empathy.
4. Not every example of a cop killing a mentally ill person is the cop's fault. This case being a great example. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that the example you listed is another. That doesn't meant there isn't a systemic blind spot and it doesn't mean every shooting is justified.
5. Being a cop is an immensely difficult job. Many, many, many members of my family and friends are cops; from police chief, state trooper, detective, and beat cop. I respect the job that these men and woman have to do. That being said, they've hidden behind that "thin blue line" like a crime family, avoiding accountability, for over a century. And whenever those chickens come home to roost, its the tax payer who picks up the tab (not to mention the victims). And when your profession is pressured, you guys pout and half ass it and allow crimes to be committed. So yeah, you have a bad cop on the force who you fail to reign in? Any financial penalty associated with that gross negligence should come directly out of the pension fund.

edit: I wound up reading the whole thing. I think there should be rules and reviews, maybe even public ones, for judges and lawyers (prosecution and defense). Our adversarial legal system has issues that need to be reformed.
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Ok, I will try to keep this response shorter-but it always baffles me that effort into a post is so unappreciated around here. Zero effort seems to be the standard. So I do appreciate your both reading and posting a worthy read.

First, mamdani appeared to back the officers then quickly did an about face once meeting with the family. That’s not having his officers’ backs at all-and he had already seen the footage showing that this was a justified shoot and that sending someone other than cops to this call would have been very bad for those responders. I am all for joint-efforts with cops and experts in the field-but he wants to get rid of that idea-see the quotes from various articles I posted earlier.

Second, I remember you having family as cops-so how can you freely just toss about pigs in your post and suggest that innocent cops feel the brunt of the lawsuits? I always owned my “bacon-hood” and laughed when I was called a pig because it was usually some toothless redneck or some ghetto turd. I hate bad cops and have reported some in my day. Most times, good cops either aren’t aware or have no proof to be able to do anything. As I often say, dirty cops don’t do dirt in front of good ones. Like all criminals, or most, dirty cops are very careful when they break the law and I love it when they finally get caught. Personally, I’m all in favor of bad cops facing color of law charges that increase their penalties-but I fear that will be used in cases where there was no criminal intent like in Kim Potter mistaking her firearm for a taser in the shooting of Duante Wright-though she did get a fair sentence imo. But larry krasner is very fond of charging cops with “using a criminal instrument (a city issued firearm) when he charges cops with crimes-which cases he salivates over. Yet he doesn’t charge life long criminals with the same crime and refuses to charge black and brown felons with firearm charges because he admits that they constitute the overwhelming majority of such crimes-but I have found cases where he charged white felons in possession of a firearm-which is racial discrimination in prosecution in my book.

Ok-that’s it, as short as I could
 
nhbbear said:
Ok, I will try to keep this response shorter-but it always baffles me that effort into a post is so unappreciated around here. Zero effort seems to be the standard. So I do appreciate your both reading and posting a worthy read.

First, mamdani appeared to back the officers then quickly did an about face once meeting with the family. That’s not having his officers’ backs at all-and he had already seen the footage showing that this was a justified shoot and that sending someone other than cops to this call would have been very bad for those responders. I am all for joint-efforts with cops and experts in the field-but he wants to get rid of that idea-see the quotes from various articles I posted earlier.

Second, I remember you having family as cops-so how can you freely just toss about pigs in your post and suggest that innocent cops feel the brunt of the lawsuits? I always owned my “bacon-hood” and laughed when I was called a pig because it was usually some toothless redneck or some ghetto turd. I hate bad cops and have reported some in my day. Most times, good cops either aren’t aware or have no proof to be able to do anything. As I often say, dirty cops don’t do dirt in front of good ones. Like all criminals, or most, dirty cops are very careful when they break the law and I love it when they finally get caught. Personally, I’m all in favor of bad cops facing color of law charges that increase their penalties-but I fear that will be used in cases where there was no criminal intent like in Kim Potter mistaking her firearm for a taser in the shooting of Duante Wright-though she did get a fair sentence imo. But larry krasner is very fond of charging cops with “using a criminal instrument (a city issued firearm) when he charges cops with crimes-which cases he salivates over. Yet he doesn’t charge life long criminals with the same crime and refuses to charge black and brown felons with firearm charges because he admits that they constitute the overwhelming majority of such crimes-but I have found cases where he charged white felons in possession of a firearm-which is racial discrimination in prosecution in my book.

Ok-that’s it, as short as I could
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No I appreciate a thoughtful response. I was actually doing other things when I started the response to that last post, which is why it started off the way it did. I also have some undiagnosed form of adult onset ADD so I developed a bad habit of skimming some comments.

He didn't appear to back the cop, he did back the cop.
And he also felt bad for the MENTALLY ILL person who was shot.
He didn't visit Jeffery Epstein or a serial killer, he visited a man who whose mental illness lead to him being shot.
Norm Macdonald sums in up pretty clearly in this interview - which I only just saw for the 1st time in the last week (timestamped)*


I don't use the term "pig" IRL because I don't talk police stuff with my police family and friends, out of both respect and it being pointless. Pig is a term that I feel, if you're not a bad cop, then you shouldn't be bothered about it. I know it bothers all cops because they feel they're all being lumped together, but that is telling IMO. Not telling that all cops are bigs, I don't believe that, I even think its a small exception rather than the rule, but telling in the fact that they are lumped together in spite of their ironic desire to be treated as either 1. individual and/or a collective of unchallengeable heroes and/or 2. individuals that should be judged by their individual efforts (but also purely heroic). And its ironic, because whenever it is even suggested a cop be held to account they form that wall. And in protecting your co-works who commit crimes you are taking ownership of that same crime. And after being complicit for over a century, something needs to give and it shouldn't be the public who has to continue to bail out bad cops. There are ways it can be rolled out. It doesn't have to affect the old retired cops, it can affect the current police -- they're the ones who would be tasked with cleaning up their department; if they fail its on them.

*Norm refers to a bad thing; I don't think this cop did "a bad thing" on this shoot, but I think the point is pretty clear.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
tl;dr

No I appreciate a thoughtful response. I was actually doing other things when I started the response to that last post, which is why it started off the way it did. I also have some undiagnosed form of adult onset ADD so I developed a bad habit of skimming some comments.

He didn't appear to back the cop, he did back the cop.
And he also felt bad for the MENTALLY ILL person who was shot.
He didn't visit Jeffery Epstein or a serial killer, he visited a man who whose mental illness lead to him being shot.
Norm Macdonald sums in up pretty clearly in this interview - which I only just saw for the 1st time in the last week (timestamped)*


I don't use the term "pig" IRL because I don't talk police stuff with my police family and friends, out of both respect and it being pointless. Pig is a term that I feel, if you're not a bad cop, then you shouldn't be bothered about it. I know it bothers all cops because they feel they're all being lumped together, but that is telling IMO. Not telling that all cops are bigs, I don't believe that, I even think its a small exception rather than the rule, but telling in the fact that they are lumped together in spite of their ironic desire to be treated as either 1. individual and/or a collective of unchallengeable heroes and/or 2. individuals that should be judged by their individual efforts (but also purely heroic). And its ironic, because whenever it is even suggested a cop be held to account they form that wall. And in protecting your co-works who commit crimes you are taking ownership of that same crime. And after being complicit for over a century, something needs to give and it shouldn't be the public who has to continue to bail out bad cops. There are ways it can be rolled out. It doesn't have to affect the old retired cops, it can affect the current police -- they're the ones who would be tasked with cleaning up their department; if they fail its on them.

*Norm refers to a bad thing; I don't think this cop did "a bad thing" on this shoot, but I think the point is pretty clear.
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Ok, one final point on the pig comments. You don’t talk about cops with cop family members-which to me, is telling. There is a pretty clear rift there on some level. I imagine you wouldn’t discuss the term pig with them and say “oh, well/not you guys-but your colleagues.” It’s the same exact reason why neither my wife nor I talk politics with my mother or my middle brother. It only leads to hurt feelings. Neither is maga, but did vote for trump simply because they’re republicans. I have tried to talk a little politics with my mother because I think she is coming around a tiny bit-but last week, I made the mistake of opening that door and it didn’t end the best. My point is, I get it. I call hard core maga people retards on a regular basis, it would never refer to my family as such.

Again, I don’t know how you punish current cops and what they put into the pension to affect them later on to try and force them to do something. Number one/current cops pay into pension just like social security-the money you pay today doesn’t end up paying you-it immediately goes to pay others drawing their pension. I draw my pension and it’s based on what I paid into it-but that money is coming from cops currently working. And I 100% agree that passing laws to kind of force cops to stop other cops from committing crimes is a good thing-because it is very very uncomfortable and feels odd/awkward to stop a cop while an incident is going on because maybe they saw something that you didn’t and that second guessing can get someone killed. However, I have done it a few times. I grabbed one cop and actually picked him up off of the ground and carried him away from an arrest because he clearly was not in control. The guy spit on him during an arrest and that was it. At first, he was all “get the fuck off me.” Later on, he thanked me and told me that I helped him realize he wasn’t cut out for police work and he turned his shit in a few days later. He was actually a good cop and was-like me, probably too educated to be working as a cop making the money that we did. And that’s a problem with policing-it asks an awful lot for a lot of risks and takes its toll over time-but doesn’t pay very well. I started out at b/t 34-36k/year. Shot straight up the promotional ladder but still didn’t make too much when I retired. Since I retired, the lieutenants got a huge and appropriate pay raise of about 35k/year that I would have killed for. My pension is nice-just under $2500/month but not enough to live on-not even close. It should have been quite a bit more-but since I had to retire due to the back surgery, I got the average of my last 3 years rather than my best 3 years-and I spent much of my last year on workers comp due to another surgery and it was the same two years prior because of another surgery-and comp is 65% of your salary-so I got screwed basically and I couldn’t fight it. I could have deferred until I was 50 and collected my best 3 years-but I was unable to work for quite a while after the back surgery and we needed the money as we ate through about 20k in savings and drove up the credit card-they should have been paying me monthly-but didn’t and I had to fight to get two large settlements of about 12k each-but it wa a weird limbo situation that I found myself in and the city fought it so it took more time to sort out-my city fucking sucks in that regard while the city manager makes about 230k/year and was stingy af while he got DUIs.

So imagine if an officer currently working got sued and the city settled for millions-that would cut my pension by a good margin not to mention other retirees.

And sorry, brother, but I totally disagree with mamdani having any cops’ backs. He went back on that support so fucking quick which takes me back to his past comments where he called the entire nypd force racist and a threat to minorities and all the citizens of nyc. So I will always have a “fuck him” stance and I think he’s dangerous and he will never fully support his officers and they will never support him and he has proven that he can’t be trusted and will fuck them the first chance he gets and every chance he gets.

Again, he supported the officer after seeing the video-then tucked tail and turned on them after the family and protesters made their opinions known. That is not support-that is backstabbing treachery.
 
nhbbear said:
Ok, one final point on the pig comments. You don’t talk about cops with cop family members-which to me, is telling. There is a pretty clear rift there on some level. I imagine you wouldn’t discuss the term pig with them and say “oh, well/not you guys-but your colleagues.” It’s the same exact reason why neither my wife nor I talk politics with my mother or my middle brother. It only leads to hurt feelings. Neither is maga, but did vote for trump simply because they’re republicans. I have tried to talk a little politics with my mother because I think she is coming around a tiny bit-but last week, I made the mistake of opening that door and it didn’t end the best. My point is, I get it. I call hard core maga people retards on a regular basis, it would never refer to my family as such.

Again, I don’t know how you punish current cops and what they put into the pension to affect them later on to try and force them to do something. Number one/current cops pay into pension just like social security-the money you pay today doesn’t end up paying you-it immediately goes to pay others drawing their pension. I draw my pension and it’s based on what I paid into it-but that money is coming from cops currently working. And I 100% agree that passing laws to kind of force cops to stop other cops from committing crimes is a good thing-because it is very very uncomfortable and feels odd/awkward to stop a cop while an incident is going on because maybe they saw something that you didn’t and that second guessing can get someone killed. However, I have done it a few times. I grabbed one cop and actually picked him up off of the ground and carried him away from an arrest because he clearly was not in control. The guy spit on him during an arrest and that was it. At first, he was all “get the fuck off me.” Later on, he thanked me and told me that I helped him realize he wasn’t cut out for police work and he turned his shit in a few days later. He was actually a good cop and was-like me, probably too educated to be working as a cop making the money that we did. And that’s a problem with policing-it asks an awful lot for a lot of risks and takes its toll over time-but doesn’t pay very well. I started out at b/t 34-36k/year. Shot straight up the promotional ladder but still didn’t make too much when I retired. Since I retired, the lieutenants got a huge and appropriate pay raise of about 35k/year that I would have killed for. My pension is nice-just under $2500/month but not enough to live on-not even close. It should have been quite a bit more-but since I had to retire due to the back surgery, I got the average of my last 3 years rather than my best 3 years-and I spent much of my last year on workers comp due to another surgery and it was the same two years prior because of another surgery-and comp is 65% of your salary-so I got screwed basically and I couldn’t fight it. I could have deferred until I was 50 and collected my best 3 years-but I was unable to work for quite a while after the back surgery and we needed the money as we ate through about 20k in savings and drove up the credit card-they should have been paying me monthly-but didn’t and I had to fight to get two large settlements of about 12k each-but it wa a weird limbo situation that I found myself in and the city fought it so it took more time to sort out-my city fucking sucks in that regard while the city manager makes about 230k/year and was stingy af while he got DUIs.

So imagine if an officer currently working got sued and the city settled for millions-that would cut my pension by a good margin not to mention other retirees.

And sorry, brother, but I totally disagree with mamdani having any cops’ backs. He went back on that support so fucking quick which takes me back to his past comments where he called the entire nypd force racist and a threat to minorities and all the citizens of nyc. So I will always have a “fuck him” stance and I think he’s dangerous and he will never fully support his officers and they will never support him and he has proven that he can’t be trusted and will fuck them the first chance he gets and every chance he gets.

Again, he supported the officer after seeing the video-then tucked tail and turned on them after the family and protesters made their opinions known. That is not support-that is backstabbing treachery.
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I don't live close to my cop family and friends, and when I do these issues don't come up in mixed company, and when they have it was like talking to a brick wall. And again, I wouldn't use that term out of respect, but if a topic got heated enough i probably would (not directed at them, but as a substitute for bad cops) which wouldn't be helping anybody. Same w/ politics. I had a conversation with by brother 2 weeks ago and I was very gentle with him (he's older than me, but I have to be deliberately delicate otherwise I'm not very nice to MAGA. Similarly, I spend a lot of time with my friend's family where I live and they are mostly MAGA. I just activate by deaf and mute settings when I'm around them - unless they bring me into it, which they seem to know not to do (which is nice).

I don't want to take away anybody's pension. I wish more people were eligible for those types of benefits.
But cities/ states pay huge settlements for crimes the police commit. And when its accountability time they threaten to withhold their services and they shift politics. So cops get everybody mad at a Democrat so they vote for a Republican and then people don't have healthcare anymore. So now there is no reform, the social safety net is compromised, and cops get their OT, their pension, and immunity from accountability, so zero to negligible improvement. Rinse and repeat. So yeah I imagine thats a scary scenario to have your pension jeopardized. Maybe that will be enough for them to police ea. other. And I'm not suggesting every mistake a cop makes jeopardize the fund, mistake happen and I think that profession deserves a lot of leeway, but there are examples of cops getting away with a lot before shit truly hits the fan. Its not much different than churches moving around PDF priests. There needs to be accountability for that shit, and somebody else paying the tab isn't accountability.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Mamdani.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
His initial reaction was applauding the first responder.

Every police murder and civil rights violation should come out of their pension fund. Only way pigs will police themselves is if they're all held to account.
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Damn right. Good luck being the politician who introduces that though. I would be willing to bet they would get shot.
 
Oh man, just read some good ones for more mamdani picks.



First up is tamika who is on his transition team for the public safety committee. She is a prominent blm protester who did a speech where she called for more looting and burning down targets because they learned how to loot and learns violence from white people. What better person to be on a public safety committee that deals with crime issues than someone that advocates for more crime. Here are her own words:



One of Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s transition advisers on crime once raged she didn’t care if Black Lives Matter protesters burned a department store to the ground — insinuating that demonstrators learned “all violence” from white people, newly resurfaced footage shows.

Tamika Mallory, who was among more than two dozen New Yorkers tapped to serve on the mayoral transition’s Committee on Community Safety, made the remarks during a fiery rally in Minneapolis after George Floyd’s murder in 2020.

“We are not responsible for the mental illness that has been inflicted upon our people by the American government, institutions and those people who are in positions of power. I don’t give a damn if they burn down Target, because Target should be on the streets with us calling for the justice that our people deserve,” she said in a recording of her speech.



Then there’s the pick to lead the committee, alex vitale, who is a rabid police abolitionist that has called police “violence workers” that do more harm than good and are only tools to keep races and classes down-some real karl marx shit right there.



He wrote a book “the end of policing” which I just read about four chapters of this afternoon where he literally wants no more police or they should be a last resort. He also wants to disarm police officers in the US and while he admits there is more crime and guns here, he says that armed criminals are much less likely to shoot and unarmed officer and use force because they know officers are armed and their own lives are at risk. What in the actual fuck?? Oh yeah, he’s also against sex offender registries.



He discusses how police started as slave patrols, which has been declared categorically false. Slave patrols operated independently from police forces but used similar tactics-not the other way around.



He argues against gang units and laments that gangs are a form of family and the more police go after them the more they push back as a means to make themselves look cool in front of fellow gang members-therefore, it’s the police efforts to stop gang violence that leads to more violence?? Instead of policing gangs, he would like to see high poverty and high gang areas dispersed into other communities. The only thing that does is spread their reach and infect other communities with violence and gangs-I’ve seen it happen and everytime they try this, it might make the formerly really bad areas slightly less bad but it makes the formerly good areas much less good.







alex



Zohran Mamdani Appoints Prominent Police Abolitionist to His Transition Team



tamika


https://nypost.com/2026/01/12/us-ne...-didnt-care-if-protestors-burned-target-down/
 
Last Falconry said:
You get out to new york a lot?
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He gets out to Cat Turd and Libs of Tik Tok a lot.

A week or two ago I posted a poll that showed Mamdani with all-time high approval ratings.

The "OMG New York is falling apart" line from the righties here is obviously not true. If they were smart they'd go with the "NY libs are stupid, their city is falling apart but they don't care lol"
 
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