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No I'm not genius. Why don't you explain this landmark case to me instead of being a patronizing douche.
It was a simple question, cool your jets. I also don't think it's unreasonable to expect a US citizen to know the 1A'a broad coutures.

It's the Supreme Court case that established the standard for imminent lawless action, and its been reputedly upheld. Speech calling for violence is unprotected only if it is in imminent danger of causing lawless activity.

To give an example of how high that threshold is, the Supreme Court latee held that burning a cross on the lawn of a black family is in of itself protected speech, unless there is intent to intimidate.
 
Believing every Israeli should die and then running around convincing the youth of such an idea should absolutely be grounds for deportation. If I said the inverse in Hamas territory I would be executed.

Again, why are you asking me or anyone besides the US government for the evidence ? Do you think every time someone gets arrested all the details are made public the next day ?
Except it really isn't because again the first amendment applies to residents. Period. You'd have to show material support for a terrorist group effectively.

And yes...Hamas doesn't like freedom of speech, not sure why you think the US should mirror shit tier governments in the name of reciprocity.


..you are aware arrest records or public information and published quite quickly? There's a reason local news almost always has the details.
 
I'm just some guy on a karate forum, why is the onus on me to provide evidence as to what he said when I am not the one arresting him. Do you really think they arresting him with zero evidence of a crime ?

He is being deported, not prosecuted and incarcerated. Why should the USA tolerate speech that threatens the lives of their allies ?

I'm all for deporting the guy but you sound like a fucking moron. It's like you're overcompensating your MAGAness because you're Canadian.

The maga mind set.

“Meh I don’t now what he did or why he is getting deported but fuck it I’m sure they are right. He looks like what they are saying so it must be true”

Fucking lol

I guess getting a green card ain’t enough anymore.
 
Terrorist sympathizers isn’t free speech ..there is also hate laws for antisemitism

Well it is free speech it's just a matter of where you draw the line on it. I've had a few back and forths with Americans.who think they have freedom of speech and it's generally pretty amusing
 
Believing every Israeli should die and then running around convincing the youth of such an idea should absolutely be grounds for deportation. If I said the inverse in Hamas territory I would be executed.

Again, why are you asking me or anyone besides the US government for the evidence ? Do you think every time someone gets arrested all the details are made public the next day ?

Do you think people who cheer on the death of Palestinian kids should also be arrested? There's some actor who I keep seeing pop up on social media who keeps doing that
 
The maga mind set.

“Meh I don’t now what he did or why he is getting deported but fuck it I’m sure they are right. He looks like what they are saying so it must be true”

Fucking lol

I guess getting a green card ain’t enough anymore.
I was unaware that all the evidence with regard to every crime except for this one was public knowledge immediately after arrest. Seems rather strange to me.
Do you think people who cheer on the death of Palestinian kids should also be arrested? There's some actor who I keep seeing pop up on social media who keeps doing that
yep
 
I was unaware that all the evidence with regard to every crime except for this one was public knowledge immediately after arrest. Seems rather strange to me.

yep

Fair enough, so long as you're consistent.
 

Arrest of Palestinian activist stirs questions about protections for students and green card holders​


BY REBECCA SANTANA
Updated 7:59 PM BRT, March 10, 2025


WASHINGTON (AP) — The arrest of a Palestinian activist who helped organize campus protests of the war in Gaza has sparked questions about whether foreign students and green card holders are protected against being deported from the U.S.

Mahmoud Khalil was arrested Saturday by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. Homeland Security officials and President Donald Trump have indicated that the arrest was directly tied to his role in the protests last spring at Columbia University in New York City.

Khalil is being held at an immigration detention center in Jena, Louisiana, while he awaits immigration court proceedings that could eventually lead to him being deported. His arrest has drawn criticism that he’s being unfairly and unlawfully targeted for his activism while the federal government has essentially described him as a terrorist sympathizer.

A look at what kind of protections foreign students and green card holders have and what might be next for Khalil:

Can someone with a green card be deported?

A green card holder is someone who has lawful permanent residence status in the United States.

Jaclyn Kelley-Widmer is a law professor at Cornell Law School who teaches immigration law. She said lawful permanent residents generally have many protections and “should be the most protected short of a US citizen.”

But that protection isn’t absolute. Green card holders can still be deported for committing certain crimes, failing to notify immigration officials of a change in address or engaging in marriage fraud, for example.

The Department of Homeland Security said Khalil was taken into custody as a result of Trump’s executive orders prohibiting antisemitism.

Trump has argued that protesters forfeited their rights to remain in the country by supporting the Palestinian group Hamas, which controls Gaza and has been designated as a terrorist organization.

Khalil and other student leaders of Columbia University Apartheid Divest have rejected claims of antisemitism, saying they are part of a broader anti-war movement that also includes Jewish students and groups. But the protest coalition, at times, has also voiced support for leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Islamist organization designated by the U.S. as a terrorist group.

Experts say that officials seem to indicate with their rhetoric that they are trying to deport Khalil on the grounds that he’s engaging in some sort of terrorist activity or somehow poses a threat.

Khalil has not been convicted of any terrorist-related activity. In fact, he has not been charged with any wrongdoing.

But experts say the federal government has fairly broad authority to arrest and try to deport a green card holder on terrorism grounds.

Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, green card holders do not need to be convicted of something to be “removable,” Kelley-Widmer said. They could be deported if the secretary of homeland security or the attorney general have reasonable grounds to believe they engaged in, or are likely to engage in, terrorist activities, she said.

But Kelley-Widmer said she’s never seen a case where the alleged terrorist activity happened in the U.S., and she questioned whether taking part in protests as Khalil did qualifies.

What did ICE say about why they were arresting him?

One of the key issues in Khalil’s case is what ICE agents said to his lawyer at the time he was arrested.

His lawyer, Amy Greer, said the agents who took him into custody at his university-owned home near Columbia initially claimed to be acting on a State Department order to revoke his student visa.

But when Greer informed them that Khalil was a permanent resident with a green card, they said they would revoke that documentation instead.

Kelley-Widmer said that exchange raises questions about how familiar the agents who arrested him were with the law or whether there was a “real disregard for the rule of law.”

“I think we should be really concerned that this is happening,” she said.

What are the next steps in his case?

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a message posted Sunday on X that the administration will be “revoking the visas and/or green cards of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported.”

If someone is in the country on a student visa, the State Department does have authority to revoke it if the person violates certain conditions. For example, said Florida immigration attorney John Gihon, it’s quite common for the State Department to cancel visas of foreign students who get arrested for drunk driving.

But when it comes to someone who’s a lawful permanent resident, that generally requires an immigration judge to determine whether they can be deported.

Gihon said the next step is that Khalil would receive charging documents explaining why he’s being detained and why the government wants to remove him, as well as a notice to appear in immigration court.

Generally, he should receive those within 72 hours of being arrested, and then he would make an initial appearance before an immigration judge. That could take from 10 days to a month, Gihon said.

But he cautioned that right now he’s seeing extensive delays across the immigration court system, with clients often moved around the country to different facilities.

“We are having people who are detained and then they’re bounced around to multiple different detention facilities. And then sometimes they’re transferred across the country,” he said.

Khalil’s lawyers have also filed a lawsuit challenging his detention. A federal judge in New York City ordered that Khalil not be deported while the court considered his case. A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday.

https://apnews.com/article/mahmoud-...-deportation-eff078098165bbcd0d2bd315b1a7ca02
 
There has always been forms of free speech that have been criminalized, uttering threats, incitement of violence, false advertising, perjury and obscenity like CP. I don't think anyone would argue that these things should be allowed, I have no problem with lumping being a terrorist spokesperson in with these.
This has nothing to do with what you said which I responded to.
 
He's a terrorist sympathizer spouting terrorist views. Fuck him. Hope they crack down on all that shit. Get these OBL LARPers off the street.
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It was a simple question, cool your jets. I also don't think it's unreasonable to expect a US citizen to know the 1A'a broad coutures.

It's the Supreme Court case that established the standard for imminent lawless action, and its been reputedly upheld. Speech calling for violence is unprotected only if it is in imminent danger of causing lawless activity.

To give an example of how high that threshold is, the Supreme Court latee held that burning a cross on the lawn of a black family is in of itself protected speech, unless there is intent to intimidate.
How could burning a cross on a lawn of a black family not be with intent to intimidate?
 
All this talk about violent protestors and being scared yet Palestinian protestors are the ones getting run down by everyone including college staff and getting acid thrown on them. Palestinian kids are the ones getting killed in cold blood in their home by Americans in fucking America.

Americans love to lie and make it seem like reality lol
 
Nothing says free speech like cutting funding and jailing anyone that says things you don’t like lol

Didn’t jd Vance chastise the UK for the very thing that is happening every day under trump now?
That was different...
 
Green card holders can be deported if they're convicted of a felony. To my knowledge, hurting the feelings of Israel and Jewish people isn't a crime in America. Not yet, anyway
 
How could burning a cross on a lawn of a black family not be with intent to intimidate?
It's more on the law itself, rather than the act. You can write a law that bans cross burnings that are meant to intimidate, but you can't outright ban cross burnings in general.
 
Funny how the left always says, you have freedom of speech, but you are not free from the consequences. Except when that logic is applied to them.

But it is not funny that the right says "you have freedom of speech unconditionally", except when that logic is applied to them?

This is not about left vs. right you nimrod. It's about persecuting a graduate student for voicing support for Palestine. Having to put up with the consequences of your freedom to speak your mind relates to the private sphere, not to government persecution.

How in the fucking world is going after Palestine supporters even comparable to anyone saying you are not free from consequences? Did Biden imprison Israel student supporters? Or you think that if the left has censored speech it makes it okay for Trump to imprison a graduate student?

"Well, since the left doesn't respect freedom of speech, Trump doesn't have to"

That's how fucking stupid you are.
 
Sorry, got sidetracked.


These cobra figures are pretty sweet-

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