Not Showtime yet: Report emBARRgoed (SCO Thread v. 30)

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Previous Threads

Spoiler

1. Don Jr. Confirms Trump Tower "adoption" meeting w/ kushner, Manafort
2. Gowdy Excoriates Trump
3. Trump Fixates on Leakers
4. Cover of Time
5. "Nothing Illegal"
7. "Nothingburger"
8. Royale With Cheese
9. First Charges
10. One Guilty Plea, Two Indictments
11. This is it Megathread
12. From Mueller with Love
13. Bob Mueller's Thirteen Russian Burgers
14. Conspiracy is a Gates-way Drug
15. Nunberg, not Nothingburger
16. Urine Trouble
17. Tamper Tantrum
18. The investigation just GRU
19. Mid-air Collusion
20. Just a Cohencidence
21. Pecker Problems
22. Patton the Back
23. Manafort Pleas, Thank You
24. Ferris Mueller's Election Off
25. Use it in a Sentence
26. Flynn Cohen to Prison
27. Perjuring the Swamp
28. Get me Roger Stone

Current big news:

• Mueller has submitted a report to the AG. It is not yet publicly available, so it is unlikely that anybody has anything useful to say about the contents at this time.

Mod note from previous thread: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR Lounge thread.

Spoiler

Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
1. Talking about how the thread is derailed/ how mods should handle a situation (report and continue on topic discussions)
2. Joking about posters who are reply banned from the thread
3. Posts with only flaming that do not have any other information about the topic
4. A reply to any of the above

Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.

Major events so far:

• Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member has been indicted arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. Manafort pleaded guilty, agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors, and then lied to them.
• Roger Stone has been charged with Obstruction, Lying to Investigators, and Witness Tampering. This is in connection with an investigation into his contacts with WikiLeaks and the dissemination of info from the DNC and Clinton hacks. He is now subject to a gag order.
  
• Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, which he claims to have committed at Trump's direction to influence the election. Cohen cooperated with federal prosecutors and received a 3-year sentence.
• Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Org. CFO, has agreed to immunity in exchange for cooperating with federal prosecutors
• Rick Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
• George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied. Papadopoulos is now accusing Mifsud of being a deep state plant on Twitter.
• Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
• 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them. There is also a separate 12 count indictment targeting GRU officers
• An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
• Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
• Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen. Who has pleaded guilty and offered to fully cooperate.
• Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for conspiracy against the United States and aggravated identity theft
• Bruce Ohr, of dossier fame, has been working to obtain information from Russian oligarchs since 2014.
• Documents relating to Manafort's guilty plea implicate Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta is the brother of Clinton's campaign advisor, John Podesta. His former firm, which is now cooperating with the probe, worked for Manafort in Ukraine.

Dumb talking points:

Spoiler

Stone wasn't charged with Collusion!
Correct. He was charged for obstructing the investigation, lying under oath, and witness tampering.

Why hasn't anybody been charged with "collusion"?
Collusion is a catch-all term. It's not the name of a specific crime.

So where is the Collusion?
The Mueller investigation is about any links between "the Russian Government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump". Stone is an individual associated with the campaign of Donald Trump. The link investigated there revolves around the information stolen by Russian state actors and distributed through WikiLeaks. For other links, read above.

Where are the thousands of Indictments?
What thousands? There are forty or so listed here, but nobody has claimed thousands.

Stone says he didn't do it!
So do a lot of other defendants who turn out to be guilty.

These are "process crimes", so they don't really count.
First, there isn't a judge in this country who believes that things like obstruction and witness tampering aren't serious crimes. The distinction between "process" crimes and other felonies is meaningless. Second, a significant amount of charged conduct goes well beyond "process." Third, there is definitely a great deal of uncharged or sealed conduct that goes beyond "process"-as shown by the failed redaction in Manafort's recent filing.

CNN was there an hour before Stone was arrested!
Who gives a shit? Why does that matter?

 

[Bloody Pulp]

This is it

 

[Prokofievian]

Plz gib rprt.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I love how the OP took away all of daddys lil cucks shit tier talking points.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Did anyone see Rachel Maddow last night? Looks like R. Kelly got a hold of her, then kicked her out of the limo and made her walk home.

 

[splendica]

Did anyone see Rachel Maddow last night? Looks like R. Kelly got a hold of her, then kicked her out of the limo and made her walk home.

ehhh, that was a funny post.

 

[hillelslovak87]

ehhh, that was a funny post.

Seriously, like she had literally been crying ALL DAY. I remember seeing Ari Melber look like a makeup covered corpse a few months ago, but the next day he looked normal again. This? eeeeek. Somebody left her in the spin cycle too long.

 

[splendica]

I love how the OP took away all of daddys lil cucks shit tier talking points.

The left so mad right now lol. Schumer the shmuck in full-blown damage control. Pelosi trying to get the voting age down to birth canal and up to the mother to interpret her own body's vote.

 

[splendica]

Seriously, like she had literally been crying ALL DAY. I remember seeing Ari Melber look like a makeup covered corpse a few months ago, but the next day he looked normal again. This? eeeeek. Somebody left her in the spin cycle too long.

I have to admit I haven't watched CNN for awhile. I will likely watch some tonight so maybe they'll be some flashback clips. I hope not haha.

 

[Sketch]

This is definitely it.

 

[PHATV]

Tomorrow?

SHOWDOWN LOOMS OVER REPORT...
Full disclosure battle...
Privacy group sues...
675 DAYS OF INVESTIGATION...
NO MORE INDICTMENTS...
COUNTDOWN TO LEAKS...
Speculation Begins...
Invisible prosecutor who shook White House...
YORK: Five things that didn't happen...
PAPER: Don't expect hysteria to end...
Other Investigations Loom...
Prosecutorial Focus Moves to New York...
STARR: Mueller Must Remain Silent...
Cable viewers digest through Hannity, Maddow...

FINDINGS STILL SECRET
DC ON EDGE

 

[hillelslovak87]

I have to admit I haven't watched CNN for awhile. I will likely watch some tonight so maybe they'll be some flashback clips. I hope not haha.

I can't really watch any of these channels. When talking heads start arguing with an audio delay, it makes me super panicked and angry. And when a supposed newsman like Maddow speaks in a polemic fashion about current events, it creeps me out. "Trump.....is.....indecent. Butwealreadyknewthat...........Didn't we?"

Seeing her in that YT thumbnail reminded me of

 

[Fawlty]

Did anyone see Rachel Maddow last night? Looks like R. Kelly got a hold of her, then kicked her out of the limo and made her walk home.

I think people are seeing what they want to see there. What I saw was she looked off guard and unprepared. She was also called off a fishing trip and rushed to the studio. Certainly nothing like crying. Childish stuff from you and others.

 

[bobgeese]

Friendly reminder, the liberals on shartdog have thoroughly embarrassed themselves for two years straight.

SAD!

 

[bobgeese]

I think people are seeing what they want to see there. What I saw was she looked off guard and unprepared. She was also called off a fishing trip and rushed to the studio. Certainly nothing like crying.

Does her voice usually crack like someone speaking at a funeral?



Even if you aren’t willing to accept the obvious, can you at least admit that it is a completely inappropriate response to finding out that not a single American was charged for anything related to Russia?


You’d think people would be happy. Then again, they actually hate America, so...

 

[hillelslovak87]

I think people are seeing what they want to see there. What I saw was she looked off guard and unprepared. She was also called off a fishing trip and rushed to the studio. Certainly nothing like crying. Childish stuff from you and others.

Maybe the legit funniest thing I've read this year. ahaha!!!!

 

[hillelslovak87]

Does her voice usually crack like someone speaking at a funeral?



Even if you aren’t willing to accept the obvious, can you at least admit that it is a completely inappropriate response to finding out that not a single American was charged for anything related to Russia?


You’d think people would be happy. Then again, they actually hate America, so...

I don't think you know what "the obvious" is when it comes to the meanings of this report, simply based off of no more public indictments being issued in the case. None of us here are most likely qualified, and especially while the Attorney General is going through it himself. Premature Investigation prognostication elation by some of us, I think.

 

[Andy Capp]

Previous Threads

Spoiler

1. Don Jr. Confirms Trump Tower "adoption" meeting w/ kushner, Manafort
2. Gowdy Excoriates Trump
3. Trump Fixates on Leakers
4. Cover of Time
5. "Nothing Illegal"
7. "Nothingburger"
8. Royale With Cheese
9. First Charges
10. One Guilty Plea, Two Indictments
11. This is it Megathread
12. From Mueller with Love
13. Bob Mueller's Thirteen Russian Burgers
14. Conspiracy is a Gates-way Drug
15. Nunberg, not Nothingburger
16. Urine Trouble
17. Tamper Tantrum
18. The investigation just GRU
19. Mid-air Collusion
20. Just a Cohencidence
21. Pecker Problems
22. Patton the Back
23. Manafort Pleas, Thank You
24. Ferris Mueller's Election Off
25. Use it in a Sentence
26. Flynn Cohen to Prison
27. Perjuring the Swamp
28. Get me Roger Stone

Current big news:

• Mueller has submitted a report to the AG. It is not yet publicly available, so it is unlikely that anybody has anything useful to say about the contents at this time.

Mod note from previous thread: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR Lounge thread.

Spoiler

Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
1. Talking about how the thread is derailed/ how mods should handle a situation (report and continue on topic discussions)
2. Joking about posters who are reply banned from the thread
3. Posts with only flaming that do not have any other information about the topic
4. A reply to any of the above

Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.

Major events so far:

• Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member has been indicted arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. Manafort pleaded guilty, agreed to cooperate with federal prosecutors, and then lied to them.
• Roger Stone has been charged with Obstruction, Lying to Investigators, and Witness Tampering. This is in connection with an investigation into his contacts with WikiLeaks and the dissemination of info from the DNC and Clinton hacks. He is now subject to a gag order.
  
• Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, which he claims to have committed at Trump's direction to influence the election. Cohen cooperated with federal prosecutors and received a 3-year sentence.
• Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Org. CFO, has agreed to immunity in exchange for cooperating with federal prosecutors
• Rick Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
• George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied. Papadopoulos is now accusing Mifsud of being a deep state plant on Twitter.
• Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
• 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them. There is also a separate 12 count indictment targeting GRU officers
• An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
• Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
• Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen. Who has pleaded guilty and offered to fully cooperate.
• Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for conspiracy against the United States and aggravated identity theft
• Bruce Ohr, of dossier fame, has been working to obtain information from Russian oligarchs since 2014.
• Documents relating to Manafort's guilty plea implicate Tony Podesta. Tony Podesta is the brother of Clinton's campaign advisor, John Podesta. His former firm, which is now cooperating with the probe, worked for Manafort in Ukraine.

Dumb talking points:

Spoiler

Stone wasn't charged with Collusion!
Correct. He was charged for obstructing the investigation, lying under oath, and witness tampering.

Why hasn't anybody been charged with "collusion"?
Collusion is a catch-all term. It's not the name of a specific crime.

So where is the Collusion?
The Mueller investigation is about any links between "the Russian Government and individuals associated with the campaign of Donald Trump". Stone is an individual associated with the campaign of Donald Trump. The link investigated there revolves around the information stolen by Russian state actors and distributed through WikiLeaks. For other links, read above.

Where are the thousands of Indictments?
What thousands? There are forty or so listed here, but nobody has claimed thousands.

Stone says he didn't do it!
So do a lot of other defendants who turn out to be guilty.

These are "process crimes", so they don't really count.
First, there isn't a judge in this country who believes that things like obstruction and witness tampering aren't serious crimes. The distinction between "process" crimes and other felonies is meaningless. Second, a significant amount of charged conduct goes well beyond "process." Third, there is definitely a great deal of uncharged or sealed conduct that goes beyond "process"-as shown by the failed redaction in Manafort's recent filing.

CNN was there an hour before Stone was arrested!
Who gives a shit? Why does that matter?

IMO thread title is not up to your usual quality.
I would have preferred something like
"Release of the Mueller Report, Barring anything unusual"
"Barr called to the lawyer"
"Who set the Barr so low"

 

[PHATV]

FLASHBACK: Media Predict Trump Family Leaving White House in HANDCUFFS...

'HARDBALL' Matthews Fumes: How Could They Let Trump off Hook?

WHAT DID MUELLER TEAM FIND?

 

[ultramanhyata]

When I found out that Junior and Kushner and Manafort meeting at Trump Tower during the campaign with the Kremlin-tied Russian lawyer to get potentially damaging intel on Clinton did not constitute a crime (who knew??) I realized that the best we might get out of the Mueller report was either some unearthed Trump financial shenanigans or obstruction of justice.

I guess we will see if either is included.