Not Just a Cohencidence (Mueller/Investigation Thread v.20)

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

My theory is that she's actually a huge toad in a human suit, and the truth will come out eventually when the disguise fails for good.

F Off Pete I’ve always liked Toads and that’s an insult to that nice creature. Lol

 

[HARRISON_3]

Weird thing is Nixon was pardoned without even being formally charged, let alone sentenced. You're very likely correct that a pardon wouldn't be issued until he's sentenced, though. I think Trump is just sending signals about how highly he values loyalty to himself.

I'm just a layman here, but sure seems like an abuse of power.

Maybe a legal sherbro can explain further.

 

[Quipling]

@Fawlty to add a bit of technical detail to @BKMMAFAN 's excellent explanation, the relevant requirements are governed by Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 11(b)(3), which requires the district court to determine that there is a factual basis for the guilty plea. This usually is a determination of factual and legal sufficiency, which is what you were asking about. Intriguingly, some circuits interpret that requirement as triggering at sentencing, not at the acceptance of the guilty plea, which is then just a determination that it was voluntary and knowing.

 

[Strychnine]

Am I late?

I don't think we'll be seeing him on CNN anymore as a conservative commentator anytime soon..

Off to Fox News he goes then..

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Weird thing is Nixon was pardoned without even being formally charged, let alone sentenced. You're very likely correct that a pardon wouldn't be issued until he's sentenced, though. I think Trump is just sending signals about how highly he values loyalty to himself.

That was career suicide for Ford BTW

 

[Limbo Pete]

F Off Pete I’ve always liked Toads and that’s an insult to that nice creature. Lol

You know what? You're right.
Toads are cool.
Sincerest apologies.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

That was career suicide for Ford BTW

@Limbo Pete did Ford have political aspirations to be president?

I was under the impression he didn't so thr pardon was an easy call for him (especially since it Nixon resigned saving us from a Constitutional crisis).

I don't see Trump resigning and I don't think Pence is as humble and selfless as Ford.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

@Limbo Pete did Ford have political aspirations to be president?

I was under the impression he didn't so thr pardon was an easy call for him (especially since it Nixon resigned saving us from a Constitutional crisis).

I don't see Trump resigning and I don't think Pence is as humble and selfless as Ford.

Ford ran vs. Reagan during the 76 primary and Reagan dropped out because of Carters popularity. Ford damaged himself and was toast vs carter during the nov. election

 

[glenwo2]

So there is nothing a Republican candidate would do that would be a deal breaker in your eyes?

That's a bit partisan even for partisan politics.

Well if he murdered and/or raped someone, of course that would be a deal breaker. Then again, he wouldn't be a candidate at all at the point(he or she'd be incarcerated) but I digress....

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Well if he murdered and/or raped someone, of course that would be a deal breaker. Then again, he wouldn't be a candidate at all at the point(he or she'd be incarcerated) but I digress....

Why do you feel so strongly aligned with the republican party?

 

[glenwo2]

Who cares I love watching his whole administration make fools of themselves. His run in office will be remembered as a fat shit stain in history.

And I suppose when he is re-elected in 2020, there will be more to be "remembered". He certainly has provided plenty of material.

 

[glenwo2]

Oh look! A Deplorable Cunt.

 

[glenwo2]

@ocean size

Because I know, I’m privy to this info

I thought it was because you were God.

 

[HOLA]

Well if he murdered and/or raped someone, of course that would be a deal breaker. Then again, he wouldn't be a candidate at all at the point(he or she'd be incarcerated) but I digress....

Trump raped Ivana. After a failed hair procedure left him pain, due to a plastic surgeon she recommended, he ripped out her hair and raped her. According to court documents from Ivana herself.

Michael Cohen famously defended it by claiming you can't rape your wife.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Ford ran vs. Reagan during the 76 primary and Reagan dropped out because of Carters popularity. Ford damaged himself and was toast vs carter during the nov. election

He ran but I was always under the impression that Ford was a guy who chose the party over himself so if they decided he should run he would run.

I think the party was still stung by Goldwater's run and Reagan liked to invoke him a lot.

Now that you mention it Kevin Kruse was teasing a hypothetical on twitter recent about if Reagan had been elected president in 76 vs 80.....how different would our world look?

Interesting stuff

 

[HOLA]

Oh look! A Deplorable Cunt.

Who was much better at comedy that night than Donald.

Although In his defense he can't really read, so that effected his delivery.

 

[vengeful]

Am I late?

lol obviously doing that to cover up for the fact that he's in the closet.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

He ran but I was always under the impression that Ford was a guy who chose the party over himself so if they decided he should run he would run.

I think the party was still stung by Goldwater's run and Reagan liked to invoke him a lot.

Now that you mention it Kevin Kruse was teasing a hypothetical on twitter recent about if Reagan had been elected president in 76 vs 80.....how different would our world look?

Interesting stuff

Reagan wanted to distance himself from the previous republican administration. Carter, who is one of my heroes, was a bit of a radical and Reagan knew his charm could entice republican voters again.

 

[Limbo Pete]

@Limbo Pete did Ford have political aspirations to be president?

I was under the impression he didn't so thr pardon was an easy call for him (especially since it Nixon resigned saving us from a Constitutional crisis).

I don't see Trump resigning and I don't think Pence is as humble and selfless as Ford.

He did, and actually ran when the time came, but imo that was a dude that never had the fire to be President. He was a weird kind of conflicted politician. He was one, to be sure, but I think it may have been a case of someone that was genuinely a pretty chill dude at heart not quite ever being able to mesh with the unsavory and ugly aspects of that position. Kind of an anachronism, I think. And he was a party man during a time when there big changes going on and a lot on the line. The GOP as we know it today did not exist even those short handful of decades ago. He was under intense pressure to pardon Nixon for a number of reasons, not the least of which was a conflict over the identity of the party itself. The part of him that was a politician and a party man seems to have mostly won, which had the dual effect of curtailing his own trajectory while necessitating that it move forward. I dunno. Ford rarely ever comes up in conversations about the office, but imo he's a good example of what can happen when you have each foot in a different door. Interestingly enough, Carter had similar issues, I think, just much more pronounced.
But now i'm just rambling and probably didn't actually answer your question very well lol.

Spoiler

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Who was much better at comedy that night than Donald.

Although In his defense he can't really read, so that effected his delivery.

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